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And they got rid of two teams as well there still 7 players short of players out to players inaddick1956 said:
Ipswich have signed nearly 2 teams thus far so it can be done.Garrymanilow said:Signing a new team is very easy when you just get to make up how much you think a player would cost. Personally I think we should get Messi £0.5m, Pogba £1.1m and van Dijk £0.4m. I haven't actually enquired about the players myself, but I've decided that's how much they'll cost so that's what it is. Get your finger out Sandgaard, these are a bargain0 -
ricky_otto said:
Summers gone.southamptonaddick said:
In the summertime is the right time to sign Mungo (Jerry) Bridge.TheAddicks4Ever said:What about Aston Villa’s number 37 Mungo Bridge ? He’d be a great CB cover on loan for the season
I am still here.16 -
But isn’t that that middle???Stu_of_Kunming said:“ I try sit in the middle-ish”
“ largely instigated by TS’s ridiculous claims.”
Um.
I think lots of thing TS has done have been spot on and I think a few things he's don’t haven’t - like increasing expectations based on outlandish declarations?
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So we can’t challenge anything TS says or does… we just blindly agree because it’s TS?Todds_right_hook said:
Divided fan base which you’ve added fuel to the fire with needless comments on TSMaccn05 said:
So to be open this was my post on Twitter.MrBurns said:
Tucker for £0.5m LOLElliotCAFC said:
This is the kind of thing the recruitment team and TS are up against.Expectations have been set so high, no matter what good business we do, it will be seen as “being done on the cheap” by a vocal section of the fan base.Not digging out this specific poster but it does show how some fans are living in a completely different reality.
My intention was simply to create some debate over who you’d like us to sign if we did spend bit mainly about the balance between do you spend the money and push for promotion and the extra £6m it delivers or do you do it on a budget and continue to lose £5-10m each season of you don’t go up?
Effectively what’s more cost effective / the best way. Not a serious demand of TS - and anyone who thinks it was needs to remove the stick from up their arse!
If you read the full thread you can clearly see I say I don’t expect this to happen at all. It’s just some fun, musings, ideas.
But it also Shows one of the biggest problems - our fanbase is divided right now between ‘The realists’ or the ‘Cult of Sandgaard’ or whatever you want to call it. I try sit in the middle-ish But it’s pretty nasty on the socials.If anyone posts anything on socials it just becomes a mud slinging match, point scoring with people trying to mug people off and a battle between the two sides. Our fan base isn’t a nice place right now, largely instigated by TS’s ridiculous claims. As evidenced on here by the comments to my post and it’s why I rarely post anymore after trying to get involved with this ‘community’The names selected were simply players I rate I have no ideas on the fees, I’m just a fan. But for your information I was told by some people who have a direct line in that yeah we did hold discussions with Tucker (no fee agreed) and we did discuss a deal when Charles (he was interested but wants a Champ move, if not would consider us) so is it really so ridiculous or living in another reality?
… and yeah I really do love FM have played it successfully for 30 years particularly on my business travels 👍🏼So chill the F out people it was just a bit of fun. It’s only football!
But well done ignore everything I wrote just to summarise in that way. Your a great example of what I described 👍🏼3 -
Just 14 days till the widow shuts,surely we are in for at least two signings,time to pull our finger out and Get some in0
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The fan base was divided long before TS arrived and always will be, this isn’t unique to Charlton.Maccn05 said:
But isn’t that that middle???Stu_of_Kunming said:“ I try sit in the middle-ish”
“ largely instigated by TS’s ridiculous claims.”
Um.
I think lots of thing TS has done have been spot on and I think a few things he's don’t haven’t - like increasing expectations based on outlandish declarations?6 -
Aah okay. So, by selling. I was wondering what their mechanics would be for physically making the money back, if they owned Ipswich, but what you’ve said makes senseAthletico Charlton said:
I assume a short term business plan. Go hard quick, chuck say £50-100M at promotion to the PL, if it works sell for £200M, if it doesn't write it off as a bad experience and go after the realization of the fixed assets (land/players) hard to get out with the smallest loss possible I assume?cabbles said:
How does ORG/the pension fund make a return on its investment? I know the club could make money if they reach the Premier League, but how does that equate to an ROI for the fund? Is it going to be similar to the Glazers at Man Utd?Dippenhall said:
The pension fund has not made a direct investment in the club, it is has passed over it would seem about 0.03%, an insignificant part, of its £13bn of assets to a modest US portfolio manager ORG Portfolio Management as a small play on the market to diversify returns with a bit of risk and a higher potential return.AndyG said:
I do find this whole pension investment thing at Ipswich very interesting. I like alot of people have a SIPP and through that own some commercial property. When one of them need some maintenance the pension administrator insists I get 3 quotes for anything I spend from my SIPP. This is slightly annoying as I own a building maintenance company lol, but that is the job of a pension administrator and why I pay them their fees. How on earth has the administrator of that American fund approved investment into a football club in the uk ?Rothko said:
Exactly, very easy to spend Karen from Ohio 401k then your own moneyshine166 said:Can everyone thats saying we are obviously refusing to pay wages, at least acknowledge that TS is spending his own money, while the Ipswich owner is spending the money of others ?
It seems most of the investment will have been to acquire debt and property from Marcus Evans, so mostly fixed rate returns, and probably at tasty rates. That is the attraction for the pension fund.
The 90% equity gives ORG overall control to appoint management and give a windfall if Ipswich get promoted and justify the level of risk being taken. It does not mean there is a gravy train of cash pouring out of the pension fund. It is an arms length investment via ORG and if it goes bad it will just be one of the many small higher risk investments that statistically will go bad for the pension fund.
The pension fund will not be involved in the day to day running of the club, or writing cheques for Paul Cook, that is down to the management team. ORG is 90% shareholder but only has one representative sitting on the board. That is not the set up if you gave the club your magic porridge pot.
The management team calling the shots and spunking money on players are the 3 yanks who own "Three Lions Fund" which has a 5% investment and the CEO who is ex West Brom CEO. If it goes bad these will be the fall guys who ORG will blame for losing money for their client pension fund. ORG is not playing with its own money and it will not throw good money after bad on behalf of its client.
The idea that the pension fund is writing cheques for Paul Cook, or that he has access to an unlimited source of money is fanciful.
Paul Cook has been given the keys to the sweet shop, but when he runs out of sweets and the club is still in League 1 he will be stuffed even if the ultimate owner does have £13bn of assets.0 -
Not really. Yes his comments were outlandish and with hindsight probably optimistic at best but 1) given his style and background, we should probably expect him to make such statements and 2) people have taken such comments extremely literally and as some kind of promise/guarantee... Which is pretty silly, honestly.Maccn05 said:
But isn’t that that middle???Stu_of_Kunming said:“ I try sit in the middle-ish”
“ largely instigated by TS’s ridiculous claims.”
Um.
I think lots of thing TS has done have been spot on and I think a few things he's don’t haven’t - like increasing expectations based on outlandish declarations?
The middle is more likely to be expecting Sandgaard to invest (which he has) but that it will probably end up taking longer than we (or he) initially hoped.14 -
The Ipswich plan does seem like one of these " throw money at it to get out of this league" moves. I know they've covered a lot of their fees in player sales , but it's a very risky move from the owners if it doesn't work.2
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Things are going to get more heated the closer it gets to the transfer deadline without us signing more players, whatever will be will be, I can’t control it, probably lots of clubs fans would like their clubs to be signing more players (except Ipswich and Wigan).
All I can do is continue to support the club in what ever way possible.
Good luck to the lads and lasses going to MK tonight, I hope your efforts are rewarded.3 -
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It isn't even unique to football.Stu_of_Kunming said:
The fan base was divided long before TS arrived and always will be, this isn’t unique to Charlton.Maccn05 said:
But isn’t that that middle???Stu_of_Kunming said:“ I try sit in the middle-ish”
“ largely instigated by TS’s ridiculous claims.”
Um.
I think lots of thing TS has done have been spot on and I think a few things he's don’t haven’t - like increasing expectations based on outlandish declarations?1 -
Telling the guy how to spend his money and act as chief scout on Twitter. Not long before schools go back and social media won’t be full of this rubbish 👏🏻Maccn05 said:
So we can’t challenge anything TS says or does… we just blindly agree because it’s TS?Todds_right_hook said:
Divided fan base which you’ve added fuel to the fire with needless comments on TSMaccn05 said:
So to be open this was my post on Twitter.MrBurns said:
Tucker for £0.5m LOLElliotCAFC said:This is the kind of thing the recruitment team and TS are up against.Expectations have been set so high, no matter what good business we do, it will be seen as “being done on the cheap” by a vocal section of the fan base.Not digging out this specific poster but it does show how some fans are living in a completely different reality.
My intention was simply to create some debate over who you’d like us to sign if we did spend bit mainly about the balance between do you spend the money and push for promotion and the extra £6m it delivers or do you do it on a budget and continue to lose £5-10m each season of you don’t go up?
Effectively what’s more cost effective / the best way. Not a serious demand of TS - and anyone who thinks it was needs to remove the stick from up their arse!
If you read the full thread you can clearly see I say I don’t expect this to happen at all. It’s just some fun, musings, ideas.
But it also Shows one of the biggest problems - our fanbase is divided right now between ‘The realists’ or the ‘Cult of Sandgaard’ or whatever you want to call it. I try sit in the middle-ish But it’s pretty nasty on the socials.If anyone posts anything on socials it just becomes a mud slinging match, point scoring with people trying to mug people off and a battle between the two sides. Our fan base isn’t a nice place right now, largely instigated by TS’s ridiculous claims. As evidenced on here by the comments to my post and it’s why I rarely post anymore after trying to get involved with this ‘community’The names selected were simply players I rate I have no ideas on the fees, I’m just a fan. But for your information I was told by some people who have a direct line in that yeah we did hold discussions with Tucker (no fee agreed) and we did discuss a deal when Charles (he was interested but wants a Champ move, if not would consider us) so is it really so ridiculous or living in another reality?
… and yeah I really do love FM have played it successfully for 30 years particularly on my business travels 👍🏼So chill the F out people it was just a bit of fun. It’s only football!
But well done ignore everything I wrote just to summarise in that way. Your a great example of what I described 👍🏼1 -
Maccn05 said:
So to be open this was my post on Twitter.MrBurns said:
Tucker for £0.5m LOLElliotCAFC said:This is the kind of thing the recruitment team and TS are up against.Expectations have been set so high, no matter what good business we do, it will be seen as “being done on the cheap” by a vocal section of the fan base.Not digging out this specific poster but it does show how some fans are living in a completely different reality.
My intention was simply to create some debate over who you’d like us to sign if we did spend bit mainly about the balance between do you spend the money and push for promotion and the extra £6m it delivers or do you do it on a budget and continue to lose £5-10m each season of you don’t go up?
Effectively what’s more cost effective / the best way. Not a serious demand of TS - and anyone who thinks it was needs to remove the stick from up their arse!
If you read the full thread you can clearly see I say I don’t expect this to happen at all. It’s just some fun, musings, ideas.
But it also Shows one of the biggest problems - our fanbase is divided right now between ‘The realists’ or the ‘Cult of Sandgaard’ or whatever you want to call it. I try sit in the middle-ish But it’s pretty nasty on the socials.If anyone posts anything on socials it just becomes a mud slinging match, point scoring with people trying to mug people off and a battle between the two sides. Our fan base isn’t a nice place right now, largely instigated by TS’s ridiculous claims. As evidenced on here by the comments to my post and it’s why I rarely post anymore after trying to get involved with this ‘community’The names selected were simply players I rate I have no ideas on the fees, I’m just a fan. But for your information I was told by some people who have a direct line in that yeah we did hold discussions with Tucker (no fee agreed) and we did discuss a deal when Charles (he was interested but wants a Champ move, if not would consider us) so is it really so ridiculous or living in another reality?
… and yeah I really do love FM have played it successfully for 30 years particularly on my business travels 👍🏼So chill the F out people it was just a bit of fun. It’s only football!
People are snidey and horrible. There is way of replying to something you disagree with without being disrespectful- we should all try and do that. I understood your point and thought it was reasonable.9 -
On signing a left back Adkins also said they’d talk about it rather than completely rule it out. This was late July, if we were waiting for a loan that would have been 3-5 weeks away.Chunes said:
Those things you've mentioned are what I meant by having a 'hidden agenda'.Scoham said:
It’s more about managing expectations of fans, players, agents etc than a hidden agenda.Chunes said:I mean... I just prefer to take people at their word. If the owner comes out and says we're probably just making loan signings, then isn't that likely the truth? I don't buy into these 'hidden agendas' it just seems like people hearing what they want to hear.
People were saying similar when Bowyer said we didn't want another CB, saying he was actually just trying to get the prices down. No, turns out he just didn't want another CB!
We’ve always known we’d make loan signings towards the end of the window, that hasn’t changed.
Bowyer was probably more honest than most. Managers are careful how they word their comments all the time - do you really believe Adkins is happy to have 3 full backs for a full season with Gunter covering Purrington?
Looking back at Adkins comment about signing a left-back, sounds unclear to me: "It’s something that we’ll talk about and have a look at but we’ve got Adam Matthews and Chris Gunter who can both play in that left-back position."
Do you remember during a certain transfer window when Bowyer said (in about five interviews): "We're not signing a striker." And it was going mad on here, people saying we definitely were, he was just trying to manage agent fees, wages, etc... Even the memes were rolling out. And... we didn't sign a striker!
If CL can do that with Bowyer, who is more honest than most, there should be a bit of a 'RED ALERT' when this process of reinterpretation starts up again.
The one word I could hold onto in the TS interview is "probably." He said they would probably be loans. So perhaps there is a glimmer of business elsewhere. But his other comments seem pretty clear cut to me.What the comments made clear is that we weren’t immediately going out to sign someone. I find it hard to believe our plan really is to go with our right backs and Roddy as cover for Purrington, regardless of what NA said after a friendly.
In the last few seasons we’ve always aimed for two players per position, with the salary cap gone and us aiming for promotion it would be strange to go with only one senior left back.
“I was very happy with Chris Gunter [playing at left-back against Palace],” added Adkins.“We knew that, going into the season, both Adam Matthews and Chris Gunter have played in the left-back position before so I always knew that was a position we didn’t need to worry about too much.
“Young Jacob Roddy did well at the weekend and again he’s come on and had 20 minutes there. It’s something that we’ll talk about and have a look at but we’ve got Adam Matthews and Chris Gunter who can both play in that left-back position.
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Usually against loans but maybe that’s due more to the lack of quality of player we’ve had recently. The fact is most clubs outside the PL and certainly outside the Championship need loanees to field a decent team.I hope Gallen is still leading player recruitment. We need more gems like Cullen, Gallagher and Bielik.2
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Where was I being TS’s chief scout and telling him how to spend his money 🤣🤣🤣Todds_right_hook said:
Telling the guy how to spend his money and act as chief scout on Twitter. Not long before schools go back and social media won’t be full of this rubbish 👏🏻Maccn05 said:
So we can’t challenge anything TS says or does… we just blindly agree because it’s TS?Todds_right_hook said:
Divided fan base which you’ve added fuel to the fire with needless comments on TSMaccn05 said:
So to be open this was my post on Twitter.MrBurns said:
Tucker for £0.5m LOLElliotCAFC said:This is the kind of thing the recruitment team and TS are up against.Expectations have been set so high, no matter what good business we do, it will be seen as “being done on the cheap” by a vocal section of the fan base.Not digging out this specific poster but it does show how some fans are living in a completely different reality.
My intention was simply to create some debate over who you’d like us to sign if we did spend bit mainly about the balance between do you spend the money and push for promotion and the extra £6m it delivers or do you do it on a budget and continue to lose £5-10m each season of you don’t go up?
Effectively what’s more cost effective / the best way. Not a serious demand of TS - and anyone who thinks it was needs to remove the stick from up their arse!
If you read the full thread you can clearly see I say I don’t expect this to happen at all. It’s just some fun, musings, ideas.
But it also Shows one of the biggest problems - our fanbase is divided right now between ‘The realists’ or the ‘Cult of Sandgaard’ or whatever you want to call it. I try sit in the middle-ish But it’s pretty nasty on the socials.If anyone posts anything on socials it just becomes a mud slinging match, point scoring with people trying to mug people off and a battle between the two sides. Our fan base isn’t a nice place right now, largely instigated by TS’s ridiculous claims. As evidenced on here by the comments to my post and it’s why I rarely post anymore after trying to get involved with this ‘community’The names selected were simply players I rate I have no ideas on the fees, I’m just a fan. But for your information I was told by some people who have a direct line in that yeah we did hold discussions with Tucker (no fee agreed) and we did discuss a deal when Charles (he was interested but wants a Champ move, if not would consider us) so is it really so ridiculous or living in another reality?
… and yeah I really do love FM have played it successfully for 30 years particularly on my business travels 👍🏼So chill the F out people it was just a bit of fun. It’s only football!
But well done ignore everything I wrote just to summarise in that way. Your a great example of what I described 👍🏼
I said it was a bit of fun and bit of fantasy football and what it.You really need to calm down, breathe and try to debate rather than just chucking out insults & snidey comments2 -
Gunter was shit at CB last season.charente addick said:
I think 3-5-2 (or a hybrid of it) is where we should head and Gunter will be more than capable as the right sided CH in this system. Key is getting a decent LWB.Sage said:
Maybe this is one we aim to revisit near the end of the window hoping that they become realistic and we get the player for a lower fee.EricBanterna said:Jack Tucker was approached but Gills asked for too much. We went in early doors but haven't been back since. Tucker is keen to join us.
Not a clue if we went in for Tucker, but most certainly the type of player we should be looking at.
As another option, he’d allow us to play 3 at the back if we signed an attacking left back too. That would mean we could be creative with who the midfield pairing is and have DJ and Kirk either side of Stockley.0 -
ridiculous comment0
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I think where the whole transfer window has gone wrong it was more difficult than first thought clubs holding on to there best players despite needing the money to pay back government loans ie TUCKER and also the pope transfer money that did not arise.0
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Shouldn't be relying on an ex-player moving to help rebuild our squad.Addicks59 said:I think where the whole transfer window has gone wrong it was more difficult than first thought clubs holding on to there best players despite needing the money to pay back government loans ie TUCKER and also the pope transfer money that did not arise.1 -
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He was very good at Pompey away. I thought he was worse at right back - always out of position defensivelyarny23394 said:
Gunter was shit at CB last season.charente addick said:
I think 3-5-2 (or a hybrid of it) is where we should head and Gunter will be more than capable as the right sided CH in this system. Key is getting a decent LWB.Sage said:
Maybe this is one we aim to revisit near the end of the window hoping that they become realistic and we get the player for a lower fee.EricBanterna said:Jack Tucker was approached but Gills asked for too much. We went in early doors but haven't been back since. Tucker is keen to join us.
Not a clue if we went in for Tucker, but most certainly the type of player we should be looking at.
As another option, he’d allow us to play 3 at the back if we signed an attacking left back too. That would mean we could be creative with who the midfield pairing is and have DJ and Kirk either side of Stockley.2 -
a) that was as part of a two man central defencearny23394 said:
Gunter was shit at CB last season.charente addick said:
I think 3-5-2 (or a hybrid of it) is where we should head and Gunter will be more than capable as the right sided CH in this system. Key is getting a decent LWB.Sage said:
Maybe this is one we aim to revisit near the end of the window hoping that they become realistic and we get the player for a lower fee.EricBanterna said:Jack Tucker was approached but Gills asked for too much. We went in early doors but haven't been back since. Tucker is keen to join us.
Not a clue if we went in for Tucker, but most certainly the type of player we should be looking at.
As another option, he’d allow us to play 3 at the back if we signed an attacking left back too. That would mean we could be creative with who the midfield pairing is and have DJ and Kirk either side of Stockley.
b) he was alongside Pratley
c) I’d argue the he wasn’t ‘shit’ but did make some mistakes in this makeshift pairing. Would be much more confident of him on the right side with Innis central and Famewo left.
Yes, still need another RCB to come in but, until that time, would be comfortable with Gunter there.1 -
I just find it very weird that fully grown men go onto Twitter and list signings we should make and how much we should pay, having a pop at the owner for not following your suggestions along the way.Maccn05 said:
Where was I being TS’s chief scout and telling him how to spend his money 🤣🤣🤣Todds_right_hook said:
Telling the guy how to spend his money and act as chief scout on Twitter. Not long before schools go back and social media won’t be full of this rubbish 👏🏻Maccn05 said:
So we can’t challenge anything TS says or does… we just blindly agree because it’s TS?Todds_right_hook said:
Divided fan base which you’ve added fuel to the fire with needless comments on TSMaccn05 said:
So to be open this was my post on Twitter.MrBurns said:
Tucker for £0.5m LOLElliotCAFC said:This is the kind of thing the recruitment team and TS are up against.Expectations have been set so high, no matter what good business we do, it will be seen as “being done on the cheap” by a vocal section of the fan base.Not digging out this specific poster but it does show how some fans are living in a completely different reality.
My intention was simply to create some debate over who you’d like us to sign if we did spend bit mainly about the balance between do you spend the money and push for promotion and the extra £6m it delivers or do you do it on a budget and continue to lose £5-10m each season of you don’t go up?
Effectively what’s more cost effective / the best way. Not a serious demand of TS - and anyone who thinks it was needs to remove the stick from up their arse!
If you read the full thread you can clearly see I say I don’t expect this to happen at all. It’s just some fun, musings, ideas.
But it also Shows one of the biggest problems - our fanbase is divided right now between ‘The realists’ or the ‘Cult of Sandgaard’ or whatever you want to call it. I try sit in the middle-ish But it’s pretty nasty on the socials.If anyone posts anything on socials it just becomes a mud slinging match, point scoring with people trying to mug people off and a battle between the two sides. Our fan base isn’t a nice place right now, largely instigated by TS’s ridiculous claims. As evidenced on here by the comments to my post and it’s why I rarely post anymore after trying to get involved with this ‘community’The names selected were simply players I rate I have no ideas on the fees, I’m just a fan. But for your information I was told by some people who have a direct line in that yeah we did hold discussions with Tucker (no fee agreed) and we did discuss a deal when Charles (he was interested but wants a Champ move, if not would consider us) so is it really so ridiculous or living in another reality?
… and yeah I really do love FM have played it successfully for 30 years particularly on my business travels 👍🏼So chill the F out people it was just a bit of fun. It’s only football!
But well done ignore everything I wrote just to summarise in that way. Your a great example of what I described 👍🏼
I said it was a bit of fun and bit of fantasy football and what it.You really need to calm down, breathe and try to debate rather than just chucking out insults & snidey comments2 -
Mac has explained himself, he was just putting it out there. Not necessarily being serious just creating debate and wasn't being realistic.Todds_right_hook said:
I just find it very weird that fully grown men go onto Twitter and list signings we should make and how much we should pay, having a pop at the owner for not following your suggestions along the way.Maccn05 said:
Where was I being TS’s chief scout and telling him how to spend his money 🤣🤣🤣Todds_right_hook said:
Telling the guy how to spend his money and act as chief scout on Twitter. Not long before schools go back and social media won’t be full of this rubbish 👏🏻Maccn05 said:
So we can’t challenge anything TS says or does… we just blindly agree because it’s TS?Todds_right_hook said:
Divided fan base which you’ve added fuel to the fire with needless comments on TSMaccn05 said:
So to be open this was my post on Twitter.MrBurns said:
Tucker for £0.5m LOLElliotCAFC said:This is the kind of thing the recruitment team and TS are up against.Expectations have been set so high, no matter what good business we do, it will be seen as “being done on the cheap” by a vocal section of the fan base.Not digging out this specific poster but it does show how some fans are living in a completely different reality.
My intention was simply to create some debate over who you’d like us to sign if we did spend bit mainly about the balance between do you spend the money and push for promotion and the extra £6m it delivers or do you do it on a budget and continue to lose £5-10m each season of you don’t go up?
Effectively what’s more cost effective / the best way. Not a serious demand of TS - and anyone who thinks it was needs to remove the stick from up their arse!
If you read the full thread you can clearly see I say I don’t expect this to happen at all. It’s just some fun, musings, ideas.
But it also Shows one of the biggest problems - our fanbase is divided right now between ‘The realists’ or the ‘Cult of Sandgaard’ or whatever you want to call it. I try sit in the middle-ish But it’s pretty nasty on the socials.If anyone posts anything on socials it just becomes a mud slinging match, point scoring with people trying to mug people off and a battle between the two sides. Our fan base isn’t a nice place right now, largely instigated by TS’s ridiculous claims. As evidenced on here by the comments to my post and it’s why I rarely post anymore after trying to get involved with this ‘community’The names selected were simply players I rate I have no ideas on the fees, I’m just a fan. But for your information I was told by some people who have a direct line in that yeah we did hold discussions with Tucker (no fee agreed) and we did discuss a deal when Charles (he was interested but wants a Champ move, if not would consider us) so is it really so ridiculous or living in another reality?
… and yeah I really do love FM have played it successfully for 30 years particularly on my business travels 👍🏼So chill the F out people it was just a bit of fun. It’s only football!
But well done ignore everything I wrote just to summarise in that way. Your a great example of what I described 👍🏼
I said it was a bit of fun and bit of fantasy football and what it.You really need to calm down, breathe and try to debate rather than just chucking out insults & snidey comments
Twitter is about opinions, so if you are going to do it why not? No harm in it all. He has some truth in what he's put too. He's not really having a go at TS or pretending its that straight forward.
Chill, fingers crossed we are getting some more players in the next couple of weeks or this place is going to go into overload6 -
He played in a 3 as well, and was poor, but agree we could probably get away with it if he played with Famewo & Inniss. All irrelevant anyway as we won’t be going 3 at the back this season.charente addick said:
a) that was as part of a two man central defencearny23394 said:
Gunter was shit at CB last season.charente addick said:
I think 3-5-2 (or a hybrid of it) is where we should head and Gunter will be more than capable as the right sided CH in this system. Key is getting a decent LWB.Sage said:
Maybe this is one we aim to revisit near the end of the window hoping that they become realistic and we get the player for a lower fee.EricBanterna said:Jack Tucker was approached but Gills asked for too much. We went in early doors but haven't been back since. Tucker is keen to join us.
Not a clue if we went in for Tucker, but most certainly the type of player we should be looking at.
As another option, he’d allow us to play 3 at the back if we signed an attacking left back too. That would mean we could be creative with who the midfield pairing is and have DJ and Kirk either side of Stockley.
b) he was alongside Pratley
c) I’d argue the he wasn’t ‘shit’ but did make some mistakes in this makeshift pairing. Would be much more confident of him on the right side with Innis central and Famewo left.
Yes, still need another RCB to come in but, until that time, would be comfortable with Gunter there.0 -
I wasn't expecting loads of money to be thrown at it, but was hoping we could start this season with a similar strength squad to that which ended last. Which was clearly good enough. I am now hoping we strengthen to that point before the window closes in a couple of weeks.
I feel we have made a couple of very decent signings and a poor one but we lost a million pound plus player in Millar and Aneke who despite not playing that much last season, was incredibly important to us. Kirk may be a good replacement for Millar but look at our bench currently.2 -
With a number of players needed in now under 2 weeks, I was hoping for some credible rumours after Saturday and more than one ...4
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The thing is though, you can't just completely make up some of the numbers when you're discussing what's cost effective based on numbers. You've said promotion is a £6m income increase and staying in L1 will cost us £9m, and you've couched that against low transfer fees to make your point. The transfer fees are made up based on nothing though. What if Tucker would cost £2m, Charles £2m, Lowery £1m, Dale £1.7m and a £500,000 fee for a loan at LB? That's now £7.2m, which is more than the apparent income increase and an even greater financial risk to hold if we don't go up. How much is the wage budget increase off those players? What if the fees are actually more? You're trying to do a risk/reward model but without knowing what the actual risks are, so it's just a bit daft really. I don't know what kind of reaction you got on Twitter, knowing that place probably a horrible one, but I have to tell you yes, it really is so ridiculous to post something about how simple it would be to progress when you have no concept of what it would cost. Everyone's life would be much easier in every aspect if they could just pick how much they wanted things to cost.Maccn05 said:
So to be open this was my post on Twitter.MrBurns said:
Tucker for £0.5m LOLElliotCAFC said:This is the kind of thing the recruitment team and TS are up against.Expectations have been set so high, no matter what good business we do, it will be seen as “being done on the cheap” by a vocal section of the fan base.Not digging out this specific poster but it does show how some fans are living in a completely different reality.
My intention was simply to create some debate over who you’d like us to sign if we did spend bit mainly about the balance between do you spend the money and push for promotion and the extra £6m it delivers or do you do it on a budget and continue to lose £5-10m each season of you don’t go up?
Effectively what’s more cost effective / the best way. Not a serious demand of TS - and anyone who thinks it was needs to remove the stick from up their arse!
If you read the full thread you can clearly see I say I don’t expect this to happen at all. It’s just some fun, musings, ideas.
But it also Shows one of the biggest problems - our fanbase is divided right now between ‘The realists’ or the ‘Cult of Sandgaard’ or whatever you want to call it. I try sit in the middle-ish But it’s pretty nasty on the socials.If anyone posts anything on socials it just becomes a mud slinging match, point scoring with people trying to mug people off and a battle between the two sides. Our fan base isn’t a nice place right now, largely instigated by TS’s ridiculous claims. As evidenced on here by the comments to my post and it’s why I rarely post anymore after trying to get involved with this ‘community’The names selected were simply players I rate I have no ideas on the fees, I’m just a fan. But for your information I was told by some people who have a direct line in that yeah we did hold discussions with Tucker (no fee agreed) and we did discuss a deal when Charles (he was interested but wants a Champ move, if not would consider us) so is it really so ridiculous or living in another reality?
… and yeah I really do love FM have played it successfully for 30 years particularly on my business travels 👍🏼So chill the F out people it was just a bit of fun. It’s only football!
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Obviously getting these deals done is not really simple, however , I think this is a perfectly reasonable tweet and thought process. The top 4 players are all playing in League 1 and will all be on lower wages than we should be able to afford bearing in mind 3 of them play in front of crowds of 5k or less. The loan player will be a Prem loan. Maybe they want to go to the Championship but money there seems even tighter than our League and as we reach the end of the window , its reasonable to assume that prices will fall a bit from those quoted above.
None of us are privy to what Thomas's financial limitations are but I think the basic premise above is a fair one that with the players quoted, all of whom are likely to be available and on 'relatively' low wages we would be building a team for the next 3-4 years and we would have a much greater chance of promotion which brings a stronger financial model.
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Agreed. Even if you just use CL as an example, ignoring social media, the mudslinging, extended arguments and dare I say abuse, between posters on a regular basis, actually all kicked off around the time of Nimer vs Southall. That was when a lot of people took sides and sadly the toxic nature of how a fair few posters use this site has grown since then.Stu_of_Kunming said:
The fan base was divided long before TS arrived and always will be, this isn’t unique to Charlton.Maccn05 said:
But isn’t that that middle???Stu_of_Kunming said:“ I try sit in the middle-ish”
“ largely instigated by TS’s ridiculous claims.”
Um.
I think lots of thing TS has done have been spot on and I think a few things he's don’t haven’t - like increasing expectations based on outlandish declarations?To say our fan base is divided and “largely instigated by TS’s ridiculous remarks” is incredible unfair, no matter what you think of the guy as a person or owner.3
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