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  • WelshAddick
    WelshAddick Posts: 1,321
    Because of Brexit we can only really sign British players unless they are current international players. It’s going to be hard to improve this team unless we offer British players a higher salary. It’s upto Thomas to sanction the wages and at the moment he’s not doing it. 
  • BigRedEvil
    BigRedEvil Posts: 11,076
    A couple of loans the calibre of Cullen and Bielik could transform this side. Really hope we get something in the next week 
  • J BLOCK
    J BLOCK Posts: 8,316
    stoneroses19 said:
    Todds_right_hook said:
    addick1956 said:
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    addick1956 said:
    The problem is that even a stable Championship side loses as much or more money than a league 1 side.  

    Our owner seriously under estimated the cost of running a football club in this country.  Besides which wages are ridiculous in football . 

    I wouldn’t blame TS if it decided it was too much. Standing still appears to cost 10 million a year and the cost of a ticket is way short of covering the true cost to break even.

    That is why we have signed players others didn't rate and our midfield isn't anywhere near good enough to accommodate 433. Without it our wingers have no threat plus we are short on full backs to support it.  We lack a threat so opposition teams just suss us out in 10 minutes. 
    In which case he then needs to do what Peterborough and Brentford do, and sign talented youngsters who can help the team for a couple of years before being sold on. 

    But that again needs investment. You are highly unlikely to find these players if you are signing players who were ultimately unwanted by Oxford, Sunderland and Tranmere.
     We have been missing out on talented young players in lower teams by not offering enough,  and we are a team that has sold its good young players cheaply. 
    How come Gallen never spots them and Brentford and Peterborough do, every time.
    Is this a fact?
    No, it’s not. Same argument that a few posters continue to repeat. We are not offering as much as Championship sides and Ipswich/Wigan, that doesn’t mean we’re not offering a decent amount to players. It’s ridiculous to expect Sandgaard to have agreed £9-10k pw on several players to make up our first 11. There’s no point in being annoyed that we aren’t offering as much as these other sides. 

     No one is expecting that. But what we are/were expecting is that the budget would allow us to sign better players than Clare and Dobson.  
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,339
    Jury out on Clare. Reckon he has a bit to offer as a utility midfielder
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    BigRedEvil said:
    A couple of loans the calibre of Cullen and Bielik could transform this side. Really hope we get something in the next week 
    A couple of loans of that calibre could, if we also replace Aneke, JFC, Gilbey and Purrington. 
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,388
    Leuth said:
    Jury out on Clare. Reckon he has a bit to offer as a utility midfielder
    No issue with signing them if we sign one ideally two first choice CMs, but it’s a big if.
  • charlton_hero
    charlton_hero Posts: 4,668
    Any of the ITKs heard anything over the weekend? Some good news would go a long way.
  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,361
    edited August 2021
    Scoham said:
    Leuth said:
    Jury out on Clare. Reckon he has a bit to offer as a utility midfielder
    No issue with signing them if we sign one ideally two first choice CMs, but it’s a big if.
    I've just been wondering about this. Because we have three midfield slots and currently have six midfielders on the books (Dobson, Watson, Clare, JFC, Gilbey and Morgan).

    Here's a scary thought - they may have planned for this to be our midfield for the season. I can't imagine we'll be having many more than six. 
  • BR7_addick
    BR7_addick Posts: 10,212
    Leuth said:
    Jury out on Clare. Reckon he has a bit to offer as a utility midfielder
    Clare alongside a Bielik and a Shinnie would be very good IMO, I don’t see him as the issue in midfield but of course we are that bad in midfield everyone will have their own version of who the bad ones are.  For me it’s Dobson, and Albie, who again doesn’t look too and around better players.

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  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    ricky_otto said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    BigRedEvil said:
    A couple of loans the calibre of Cullen and Bielik could transform this side. Really hope we get something in the next week 
    A couple of loans of that calibre could, if we also replace Aneke, JFC, Gilbey and Purrington. 
    Going in to the season knowing Purrington was out injured and not signing a left back is criminal - this is probably the thing that has pissed me off the most. 
    At least Purrington only got injured a few weeks ago, JFC got injured in April! 
  • alburyaddick
    alburyaddick Posts: 574
    Dobson, Clare and Morgan are just not good enough. You might get away with one of them - probably Dobson because he is the defensive midfielder but all three are basically squad players. Watson is unpopular with the crowd but he is stIll the best midfielder we have in the absence of JFC and he is 37 which tells you all you need to know.
    I’m not even very convinced about Gilbey.
    It’s really a struggle to understand how Accrington can hold onto Charles and Bishop, at least up until this late stage in the window. They must be on low wages, Accrington get crowds of 3 men and a dog and the club must be skint. Surely we could buy one of them for sensible money. They are both prolific goal scorers. Another goal threat would make a huge difference 
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,896
    Ipswich and Wigan's riches are covering up the sorts of players we could have gone for, but one for reason or another didn't

    MK Dons brought in Twine, Pompey brought in Tunnicliffe who's been getting rave reviews for the way he's been running games.
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    Chunes said:
    Scoham said:
    Leuth said:
    Jury out on Clare. Reckon he has a bit to offer as a utility midfielder
    No issue with signing them if we sign one ideally two first choice CMs, but it’s a big if.
    I've just been wondering about this. Because we have three midfield slots and currently have six midfielders on the books (Dobson, Watson, Clare, JFC, Gilbey and Morgan).

    Here's a scary thought - they may have planned for this to be our midfield for the season. I can't imagine we'll be having many more than six. 
    I think that was the plan, maybe a quality loan as well.  I don't think it's as bad as you say but not doing anything about JFC or Gilbey has highlighted how weak the quality is.

    Curbs always highlighted JFC, so did who ever was the sky person when we were on TV.  Cawley said it yesterday.  JFC is massively under rated by our fans generally. 
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,632
    alburyaddick said:
    Dobson, Clare and Morgan are just not good enough. You might get away with one of them - probably Dobson because he is the defensive midfielder but all three are basically squad players. Watson is unpopular with the crowd but he is stIll the best midfielder we have in the absence of JFC and he is 37 which tells you all you need to know.
    I’m not even very convinced about Gilbey.
    It’s really a struggle to understand how Accrington can hold onto Charles and Bishop, at least up until this late stage in the window. They must be on low wages, Accrington get crowds of 3 men and a dog and the club must be skint. Surely we could buy one of them for sensible money. They are both prolific goal scorers. Another goal threat would make a huge difference 
    Both of those players and their agents have Championship aspirations. There’s not a prayer of nicking one of those two. 
  • alangee
    alangee Posts: 398
    Cafc43v3r said:

    At least Purrington only got injured a few weeks ago, JFC got injured in April! 

    But we have been after Kirk since January, and all the Crewe fans tell us that although he is a good player, he becomes much better when he has an overlapping winger. Purrington is not that winger, so we have known that if we managed to get Kirk, we needed a left back to complement.  With only one left back anyway, we should have been looking in that area, so that if Kirk came along, we knew who we wanted.  Instead of that we have a right back who doesn't overlap or Roddy's son.
  • ct_addick
    ct_addick Posts: 4,338
    What gets me is that Wigan were down and out and an owner comes in willing to splash some cash to gamble on success. Thought that might be us but no we have someone who thinks they are clever enough to do it on a small budget which ain't working. They have a week to fix it which is very concerning. 
  • Bedsaddick
    Bedsaddick Posts: 24,763
    BigRedEvil said:
    A couple of loans the calibre of Cullen and Bielik could transform this side. Really hope we get something in the next week 
    But we are near the bottom of league one . When Cullen and Beilik ( And Gallagher) came to us we were a Championship side and therefore , far more attractive to the players and their parent clubs . 

  • soapy_jones
    soapy_jones Posts: 21,362
    edited August 2021
    ct_addick said:
    What gets me is that Wigan were down and out and an owner comes in willing to splash some cash to gamble on success. Thought that might be us but no we have someone who thinks they are clever enough to do it on a small budget which ain't working. They have a week to fix it which is very concerning. 
    And thus the story of Charlton Athletic contines.  One fruit loop owner after another punctuated by a interlude of sanity that was the Premiership years...
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    alangee said:
    Cafc43v3r said:

    At least Purrington only got injured a few weeks ago, JFC got injured in April! 

    But we have been after Kirk since January, and all the Crewe fans tell us that although he is a good player, he becomes much better when he has an overlapping winger. Purrington is not that winger, so we have known that if we managed to get Kirk, we needed a left back to complement.  With only one left back anyway, we should have been looking in that area, so that if Kirk came along, we knew who we wanted.  Instead of that we have a right back who doesn't overlap or Roddy's son.
    We have know we need another left back since April, the difference is it wasn't urgent.  It was probably better to wait and get the right player than rush and don't.

    Once it was clear Purrington would be out for weeks not days it became urgent, a month ago.

    I have 100% faith we will bring a left back in, probably on loan and possibly not even this week.   It needed doing before the Wednesday game, if not certainly before the Oxford one.   You could even look at again in January.

    It's the same with the midfield if you still had JFC and Gilbey in the equation you could wait for the right one or even make a case not to and review at Christmas.

    The plan, and associated budget was probably a good one in April but they haven't reacted to developments since. 

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  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,650
    killerandflash said:
    Ipswich and Wigan's riches are covering up the sorts of players we could have gone for, but one for reason or another didn't

    MK Dons brought in Twine, Pompey brought in Tunnicliffe who's been getting rave reviews for the way he's been running games.
    What is frustrating is that these players, along with other like Fraser & Eisa were mentioned by many on here as ones we should be signing. We didnt but signed players like Dobson & Clare that hadn't been mentioned by anyone.

    So......either the Transfer management team was wrong or that everyone single fan on here was wrong. Take your pick
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,896
    Bedsaddick said:
    BigRedEvil said:
    A couple of loans the calibre of Cullen and Bielik could transform this side. Really hope we get something in the next week 
    But we are near the bottom of league one . When Cullen and Beilik ( And Gallagher) came to us we were a Championship side and therefore , far more attractive to the players and their parent clubs . 

    Cullen and Bielik came when we were a L1 side
  • ecclesaddick
    ecclesaddick Posts: 392
    Ill  take my pick the owner 
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,896
    golfaddick said:
    killerandflash said:
    Ipswich and Wigan's riches are covering up the sorts of players we could have gone for, but one for reason or another didn't

    MK Dons brought in Twine, Pompey brought in Tunnicliffe who's been getting rave reviews for the way he's been running games.
    What is frustrating is that these players, along with other like Fraser & Eisa were mentioned by many on here as ones we should be signing. We didnt but signed players like Dobson & Clare that hadn't been mentioned by anyone.

    So......either the Transfer management team was wrong or that everyone single fan on here was wrong. Take your pick
    Pompey also snapped up Joe Morrell, another player discussed here

    Indeed I'm starting to think that the other L1 sides do all their player scouting by reading the Charlton Life rumours thread  ;)
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    edited August 2021
    golfaddick said:
    killerandflash said:
    Ipswich and Wigan's riches are covering up the sorts of players we could have gone for, but one for reason or another didn't

    MK Dons brought in Twine, Pompey brought in Tunnicliffe who's been getting rave reviews for the way he's been running games.
    What is frustrating is that these players, along with other like Fraser & Eisa were mentioned by many on here as ones we should be signing. We didnt but signed players like Dobson & Clare that hadn't been mentioned by anyone.

    So......either the Transfer management team was wrong or that everyone single fan on here was wrong. Take your pick
    You have to take in to account that football fans, journalists and even pundits don't have to consider everything when identifying transfer targets or picking teams.

    If fans had picked the England team in the summer we probably would have got beaten 4-3 by Germany.

    You also have to consider a lot of the players that Wigan especially have signed were described from uninspiring and dodgy to plain dog shit when they were discussed as targets for us.   Not to mention Fraser, Olgilvy and the like were "scouted" by fans for 90 or 180 minutes last season, if that, and snap judgements made.

    The recruitment hasn't been good enough but to suggest the fans know better on individual players is probably a bit of a stretch. 
  • supaclive
    supaclive Posts: 6,515
    Cafc43v3r said:
    golfaddick said:
    killerandflash said:
    Ipswich and Wigan's riches are covering up the sorts of players we could have gone for, but one for reason or another didn't

    MK Dons brought in Twine, Pompey brought in Tunnicliffe who's been getting rave reviews for the way he's been running games.
    What is frustrating is that these players, along with other like Fraser & Eisa were mentioned by many on here as ones we should be signing. We didnt but signed players like Dobson & Clare that hadn't been mentioned by anyone.

    So......either the Transfer management team was wrong or that everyone single fan on here was wrong. Take your pick
    You have to take in to account that football fans, journalists and even pundits don't have to consider everything when identifying transfer targets or picking teams.

    If fans had picked the England team in the summer we probably would have got beaten 4-3 by Germany.

    You also have to consider a lot of the players that Wigan especially have signed were described from uninspiring and dodgy to plain dog shit when they were discussed as targets for us.   Not to mention Fraser, Olgilvy and the like were "scouted" by fans for 90 or 180 minutes last season, if that, and snap judgements made.

    The recruitment hasn't been good enough but to suggest the fans know better on individual players is probably a bit of a stretch. 
    Looking at no left back
    No replacement goal keeper 
    Nobody replacing Chuks
    No replacement for JFC

    I'm not so sure!
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    edited August 2021
    supaclive said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    golfaddick said:
    killerandflash said:
    Ipswich and Wigan's riches are covering up the sorts of players we could have gone for, but one for reason or another didn't

    MK Dons brought in Twine, Pompey brought in Tunnicliffe who's been getting rave reviews for the way he's been running games.
    What is frustrating is that these players, along with other like Fraser & Eisa were mentioned by many on here as ones we should be signing. We didnt but signed players like Dobson & Clare that hadn't been mentioned by anyone.

    So......either the Transfer management team was wrong or that everyone single fan on here was wrong. Take your pick
    You have to take in to account that football fans, journalists and even pundits don't have to consider everything when identifying transfer targets or picking teams.

    If fans had picked the England team in the summer we probably would have got beaten 4-3 by Germany.

    You also have to consider a lot of the players that Wigan especially have signed were described from uninspiring and dodgy to plain dog shit when they were discussed as targets for us.   Not to mention Fraser, Olgilvy and the like were "scouted" by fans for 90 or 180 minutes last season, if that, and snap judgements made.

    The recruitment hasn't been good enough but to suggest the fans know better on individual players is probably a bit of a stretch. 
    Looking at no left back
    No replacement goal keeper 
    Nobody replacing Chuks
    No replacement for JFC

    I'm not so sure!
    If you read it I said on individual players.

    And here https://forum.charltonlife.com/discussion/comment/4422745#Comment_4422745 I highlight exactly what you just said. 
  • charlton_hero
    charlton_hero Posts: 4,668
  • eastterrace6168
    eastterrace6168 Posts: 22,619
    charlton_hero said:
    So Driesen is the new messiah, or is he just a very stupid boy.. B)
  • billysboots
    billysboots Posts: 1,596
    Even Tommy thinks that It’s Roddy’s fault 
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