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Well, let me spell out why I think it's a good thing. And you can counter any of these points, if you want to.PrincessFiona said:
Rather than various of us take the time to repeat what we have already said numerous times, I suggest you read back over previous posts!Chizz said:
Fair enough. What are the main few 'valid arguments' against the Hundred, the most popular, lucrative domestic cricket tournament in the country?PrincessFiona said:
No it isn't; you are just repeatedly ignoring the many valid arguments that you disagree with!Chizz said:
Just highlighting that every reason given for not supporting the Hundred is, to a greater or lesser extent, contradictory.blackpool72 said:
You are obviously a very intelligent person capable of holding your own on many a subject.Chizz said:Note that the Hundred has reached its spectacular denouement, we can look forward to an exciting, gripping and crowd-packed week of county championship matches to unlock the huge, latent demand for 'proper' cricket.
Wait, what..?
But on the cricket thread you come across as being a bit of a wum.
No offence meant as I quite enjoy debating with on on other threads.
As previously said by someone else, you are not coming across well on this
It's popular.
And, if we need any more reasons, here are some:
It drives interest in cricket - as some posters have said, they're seeing more of their friends take an interest in cricket that have never been to a first class game.
It's creating revenue, which goes directly, without conditions, into each of the counties - in the case of Kent, it's likely the difference between profit and loss this year.
It's been a catalyst for spectacular growth in the women's game - there are now more, full-time professional women cricketer than there have ever been.
It's enabled some of the world's greatest white ball cricketers to demonstrate their skills to a wider UK public - and this will increase as the pandemic dissipates.
It's perfectly timed in a sweet-spot, within the school holidays, and allowing centrally-contracted players to play (at least in the early rounds) - both of which maximise the crowd numbers and revenue generated.
It doesn't reduce the number of county matches - a full set of county fixtures is still schedules for the season, and (as far as I am aware) the counties are free to arrange 'friendly' fixtures at either First Class or List A level.
It's created lucrative sponsorship opportunities, some of which are already contributing to cricket (Sky Sports, New Balance, Vitality), some are new to cricket in this country (DREAM11, Cazoo, KP Snacks, The New Era Cap Co, BBC Music) and one (Masuri) who sponsor a tournament instead of offering cash to just marquee players. None of these (incremental or new) opportunities would exist without The Hundred.
There is a false suggestion that the Hundred is having a detrimental effect on the England Test team's performance. We lost 1-0 to on of the best two teams in the world earlier in the season; we're losing 1-0 to the other one, now, but with our Hundred players dramatically outperforming those not involved.
All in all, it's a good thing, it's here to last and, while 'proper cricket fans' will still have as many chances to watch all eighteen counties throughout the season, I think it's good to have a focus, for a few weeks, on the highest-level competition we can put on. Like all of the best sports do.0 -
You don't need to spell out why you think it is a good thing. You (and some others) have already given your reasons (several times at that). The rest of us have read these, and have given counter arguments.Chizz said:
Well, let me spell out why I think it's a good thing. And you can counter any of these points, if you want to.PrincessFiona said:
Rather than various of us take the time to repeat what we have already said numerous times, I suggest you read back over previous posts!Chizz said:
Fair enough. What are the main few 'valid arguments' against the Hundred, the most popular, lucrative domestic cricket tournament in the country?PrincessFiona said:
No it isn't; you are just repeatedly ignoring the many valid arguments that you disagree with!Chizz said:
Just highlighting that every reason given for not supporting the Hundred is, to a greater or lesser extent, contradictory.blackpool72 said:
You are obviously a very intelligent person capable of holding your own on many a subject.Chizz said:Note that the Hundred has reached its spectacular denouement, we can look forward to an exciting, gripping and crowd-packed week of county championship matches to unlock the huge, latent demand for 'proper' cricket.
Wait, what..?
But on the cricket thread you come across as being a bit of a wum.
No offence meant as I quite enjoy debating with on on other threads.
As previously said by someone else, you are not coming across well on this
It's popular.
And, if we need any more reasons, here are some:
It drives interest in cricket - as some posters have said, they're seeing more of their friends take an interest in cricket that have never been to a first class game.
It's creating revenue, which goes directly, without conditions, into each of the counties - in the case of Kent, it's likely the difference between profit and loss this year.
It's been a catalyst for spectacular growth in the women's game - there are now more, full-time professional women cricketer than there have ever been.
It's enabled some of the world's greatest white ball cricketers to demonstrate their skills to a wider UK public - and this will increase as the pandemic dissipates.
It's perfectly timed in a sweet-spot, within the school holidays, and allowing centrally-contracted players to play (at least in the early rounds) - both of which maximise the crowd numbers and revenue generated.
It doesn't reduce the number of county matches - a full set of county fixtures is still schedules for the season, and (as far as I am aware) the counties are free to arrange 'friendly' fixtures at either First Class or List A level.
It's created lucrative sponsorship opportunities, some of which are already contributing to cricket (Sky Sports, New Balance, Vitality), some are new to cricket in this country (DREAM11, Cazoo, KP Snacks, The New Era Cap Co, BBC Music) and one (Masuri) who sponsor a tournament instead of offering cash to just marquee players. None of these (incremental or new) opportunities would exist without The Hundred.
There is a false suggestion that the Hundred is having a detrimental effect on the England Test team's performance. We lost 1-0 to on of the best two teams in the world earlier in the season; we're losing 1-0 to the other one, now, but with our Hundred players dramatically outperforming those not involved.
All in all, it's a good thing, it's here to last and, while 'proper cricket fans' will still have as many chances to watch all eighteen counties throughout the season, I think it's good to have a focus, for a few weeks, on the highest-level competition we can put on. Like all of the best sports do.
There is no need to ask others about what they have already said! We know what you think, so no need to repeat yourself!1 -
I respect your opinionPrincessFiona said:
You don't need to spell out why you think it is a good thing. You (and some others) have already given your reasons (several times at that). The rest of us have read these, and have given counter arguments.Chizz said:
Well, let me spell out why I think it's a good thing. And you can counter any of these points, if you want to.PrincessFiona said:
Rather than various of us take the time to repeat what we have already said numerous times, I suggest you read back over previous posts!Chizz said:
Fair enough. What are the main few 'valid arguments' against the Hundred, the most popular, lucrative domestic cricket tournament in the country?PrincessFiona said:
No it isn't; you are just repeatedly ignoring the many valid arguments that you disagree with!Chizz said:
Just highlighting that every reason given for not supporting the Hundred is, to a greater or lesser extent, contradictory.blackpool72 said:
You are obviously a very intelligent person capable of holding your own on many a subject.Chizz said:Note that the Hundred has reached its spectacular denouement, we can look forward to an exciting, gripping and crowd-packed week of county championship matches to unlock the huge, latent demand for 'proper' cricket.
Wait, what..?
But on the cricket thread you come across as being a bit of a wum.
No offence meant as I quite enjoy debating with on on other threads.
As previously said by someone else, you are not coming across well on this
It's popular.
And, if we need any more reasons, here are some:
It drives interest in cricket - as some posters have said, they're seeing more of their friends take an interest in cricket that have never been to a first class game.
It's creating revenue, which goes directly, without conditions, into each of the counties - in the case of Kent, it's likely the difference between profit and loss this year.
It's been a catalyst for spectacular growth in the women's game - there are now more, full-time professional women cricketer than there have ever been.
It's enabled some of the world's greatest white ball cricketers to demonstrate their skills to a wider UK public - and this will increase as the pandemic dissipates.
It's perfectly timed in a sweet-spot, within the school holidays, and allowing centrally-contracted players to play (at least in the early rounds) - both of which maximise the crowd numbers and revenue generated.
It doesn't reduce the number of county matches - a full set of county fixtures is still schedules for the season, and (as far as I am aware) the counties are free to arrange 'friendly' fixtures at either First Class or List A level.
It's created lucrative sponsorship opportunities, some of which are already contributing to cricket (Sky Sports, New Balance, Vitality), some are new to cricket in this country (DREAM11, Cazoo, KP Snacks, The New Era Cap Co, BBC Music) and one (Masuri) who sponsor a tournament instead of offering cash to just marquee players. None of these (incremental or new) opportunities would exist without The Hundred.
There is a false suggestion that the Hundred is having a detrimental effect on the England Test team's performance. We lost 1-0 to on of the best two teams in the world earlier in the season; we're losing 1-0 to the other one, now, but with our Hundred players dramatically outperforming those not involved.
All in all, it's a good thing, it's here to last and, while 'proper cricket fans' will still have as many chances to watch all eighteen counties throughout the season, I think it's good to have a focus, for a few weeks, on the highest-level competition we can put on. Like all of the best sports do.
There is no need to ask others about what they have already said! We know what you think, so no need to repeat yourself!0 -
As you have said (more than once) before - I have read your comments; it's how I understand what others think about a thread topicChizz said:
I respect your opinionPrincessFiona said:
You don't need to spell out why you think it is a good thing. You (and some others) have already given your reasons (several times at that). The rest of us have read these, and have given counter arguments.Chizz said:
Well, let me spell out why I think it's a good thing. And you can counter any of these points, if you want to.PrincessFiona said:
Rather than various of us take the time to repeat what we have already said numerous times, I suggest you read back over previous posts!Chizz said:
Fair enough. What are the main few 'valid arguments' against the Hundred, the most popular, lucrative domestic cricket tournament in the country?PrincessFiona said:
No it isn't; you are just repeatedly ignoring the many valid arguments that you disagree with!Chizz said:
Just highlighting that every reason given for not supporting the Hundred is, to a greater or lesser extent, contradictory.blackpool72 said:
You are obviously a very intelligent person capable of holding your own on many a subject.Chizz said:Note that the Hundred has reached its spectacular denouement, we can look forward to an exciting, gripping and crowd-packed week of county championship matches to unlock the huge, latent demand for 'proper' cricket.
Wait, what..?
But on the cricket thread you come across as being a bit of a wum.
No offence meant as I quite enjoy debating with on on other threads.
As previously said by someone else, you are not coming across well on this
It's popular.
And, if we need any more reasons, here are some:
It drives interest in cricket - as some posters have said, they're seeing more of their friends take an interest in cricket that have never been to a first class game.
It's creating revenue, which goes directly, without conditions, into each of the counties - in the case of Kent, it's likely the difference between profit and loss this year.
It's been a catalyst for spectacular growth in the women's game - there are now more, full-time professional women cricketer than there have ever been.
It's enabled some of the world's greatest white ball cricketers to demonstrate their skills to a wider UK public - and this will increase as the pandemic dissipates.
It's perfectly timed in a sweet-spot, within the school holidays, and allowing centrally-contracted players to play (at least in the early rounds) - both of which maximise the crowd numbers and revenue generated.
It doesn't reduce the number of county matches - a full set of county fixtures is still schedules for the season, and (as far as I am aware) the counties are free to arrange 'friendly' fixtures at either First Class or List A level.
It's created lucrative sponsorship opportunities, some of which are already contributing to cricket (Sky Sports, New Balance, Vitality), some are new to cricket in this country (DREAM11, Cazoo, KP Snacks, The New Era Cap Co, BBC Music) and one (Masuri) who sponsor a tournament instead of offering cash to just marquee players. None of these (incremental or new) opportunities would exist without The Hundred.
There is a false suggestion that the Hundred is having a detrimental effect on the England Test team's performance. We lost 1-0 to on of the best two teams in the world earlier in the season; we're losing 1-0 to the other one, now, but with our Hundred players dramatically outperforming those not involved.
All in all, it's a good thing, it's here to last and, while 'proper cricket fans' will still have as many chances to watch all eighteen counties throughout the season, I think it's good to have a focus, for a few weeks, on the highest-level competition we can put on. Like all of the best sports do.
There is no need to ask others about what they have already said! We know what you think, so no need to repeat yourself!0 -
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'England cricketers FUME with ECB fat cats to pocket £2.1m bonus for delivering the Hundred after squad took pay cut during Covid crisis last summer and 62 jobs were cut last year'
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Any other countries considering playing this format?
If not then let's have a World Cup and be champions.2 -
well a lot of other nations play one day cricket and we're already world champions. Though who cares about that when you got a flashy gimmick of a competition to promote that no other fucker plays and probably will ever play.iaitch said:Any other countries considering playing this format?
If not then let's have a World Cup and be champions.0 -
“For the England and Wales Cricket Board there is also disgruntlement over the news of a £2.1 million bonus due to be picked up by senior executives including Tom Harrison, the chief executive, and Sanjay Patel, the managing director of the Hundred.It has dismayed staff at the ECB who took pay cuts last year and have seen 62 colleagues made redundant.It is understood the England players were also stunned to hear about Harrison’s bonus for delivering the Hundred, with the revelations threatening to strain relations between ECB executives and the team as they head for tense talks over the future of the Ashes tour to Australia this winter.”3
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Now we find something that @Rothko didn't mention.....Addick Addict said:“For the England and Wales Cricket Board there is also disgruntlement over the news of a £2.1 million bonus due to be picked up by senior executives including Tom Harrison, the chief executive, and Sanjay Patel, the managing director of the Hundred.It has dismayed staff at the ECB who took pay cuts last year and have seen 62 colleagues made redundant.It is understood the England players were also stunned to hear about Harrison’s bonus for delivering the Hundred, with the revelations threatening to strain relations between ECB executives and the team as they head for tense talks over the future of the Ashes tour to Australia this winter.”1 - Sponsored links:
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Not sure if mentioned elsewhere on this or if this waffle someone discussed with me when i was pissed the other day
is t20 owned/patented by Indian or Aussie cricket and we have to pay to play it , surely not
ECB don't like this so have tinkered to create the Hundred so they can try and flog it elsewhere , madness0 -
I don’t get why you seem to want this to be person to me?Fanny Fanackapan said:
Now we find something that @Rothko didn't mention.....Addick Addict said:“For the England and Wales Cricket Board there is also disgruntlement over the news of a £2.1 million bonus due to be picked up by senior executives including Tom Harrison, the chief executive, and Sanjay Patel, the managing director of the Hundred.It has dismayed staff at the ECB who took pay cuts last year and have seen 62 colleagues made redundant.It is understood the England players were also stunned to hear about Harrison’s bonus for delivering the Hundred, with the revelations threatening to strain relations between ECB executives and the team as they head for tense talks over the future of the Ashes tour to Australia this winter.”
I’d like to see both side of this then a Daily Mail splash0 -
Will the Guardian suffice?Rothko said:
I don’t get why you seem to want this to be person to me?Will Fanny Fanackapan said:
Now we find something that @Rothko didn't mention.....Addick Addict said:“For the England and Wales Cricket Board there is also disgruntlement over the news of a £2.1 million bonus due to be picked up by senior executives including Tom Harrison, the chief executive, and Sanjay Patel, the managing director of the Hundred.It has dismayed staff at the ECB who took pay cuts last year and have seen 62 colleagues made redundant.It is understood the England players were also stunned to hear about Harrison’s bonus for delivering the Hundred, with the revelations threatening to strain relations between ECB executives and the team as they head for tense talks over the future of the Ashes tour to Australia this winter.”
I’d like to see both side of this then a Daily Mail splash
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/aug/23/senior-ecb-executives-to-share-21m-bonus-despite-covid-job-cuts3 -
Fine, I don’t think it’s a good look, fuck knows what it’s to do with the Hundred, or badly run counties0
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Great drama in the Notts v Hants QF… crowd are absolutely loving it (didn’t know where else to put this)1
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And now the crowd are dead silent. Fantastic back and forth.1
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And "they" say The Hundred was exciting.....2
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There were many matches in the Hundred that were just as exciting as last night's T20 Blast match.
It's wrong that a few individuals will make a lot of money out of The Hundred, but as a tournament it was very enjoyable to watch.
There needs to be dialogue to be able to accommodate all forms of cricket.0 -
Very quickly, a narrative was constructed around the Hundred whereby it was the sport’s sole outlet of diversification, its only vehicle for inclusion, cricket’s last chance to save itself. And so to object to it in any form was to mark yourself out as a staid traditionalist, a county bore, a reactionary gammon who hates not only change, but very possibly also brown people and women.
In truth, the ECB’s primary objective was not altruistic custodianship but profit and control. By moving into the sports-entertainment sector, it could tap the lucrative and growing event-going market: people who want to attend some sport, eat some street food and take some cool selfies, but don’t necessarily need to know the rules or remember any of what they saw. And by breaking the stranglehold of the counties, it has ruthlessly centralised English cricket’s decision-making power and revenue-generating ability.
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Good article that @Addick Addict1
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Spot on AA1
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Yes, good one, AA. And I back the Hundred for all those reasons.1
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A link t the full article https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/sport/2021/08/how-hundred-has-changed-cricketMrOneLung said:Good article that @Addick Addict1 -
Would you back an equivalent in football, bearing in mind we are one of the lesser 'poorly run counties' as you refer to the counties without test grounds?Chizz said:Yes, good one, AA. And I back the Hundred for all those reasons.
Want to scrap the offside rule (as 'too complicated') and shorten the time? And maybe increase the goal size so there are more goals, maybe?1 -
And no doubt in doing so you also endorse the promotion to those new young lovers of cricket the consumption of those thoroughly healthy snacks that front the various shirts such as butterkist popcorn, McCoy's crisps, Tyrells crisps, Popchips, KP nuts, Pom-Bear, Skips and Hula-Hoops.Chizz said:Yes, good one, AA. And I back the Hundred for all those reasons.
After all, Harrison won't get his bonus without selling his soul to the devil. Wonder how long he will be around before moving on to his next ponzi scam. My spread is 18-24 months. Are you a buyer or seller?4 -
Would I draw the same conclusion in an entirely different set of circumstances, in a different sport, with different timescales, viewing figures, revenue generation, participation levels, sponsorship opportunities and, crucially, a different set of problems needing to be solved? On balance, no, I don't think I would. Drawing an illogical analogy doesn't work in my view.PrincessFiona said:
Would you back an equivalent in football, bearing in mind we are one of the lesser 'poorly run counties' as you refer to the counties without test grounds?Chizz said:Yes, good one, AA. And I back the Hundred for all those reasons.
Want to scrap the offside rule (as 'too complicated') and shorten the time? And maybe increase the goal size so there are more goals, maybe?
The ECB run the professional game and all aspects of the international team. And, by introducing the Hundred, they're filling the coffers, from which the professional game and the international teams draw. You could argue that the same thing happened with the Premier League, set up by the FA, which runs the game and the international teams in England. The Premier League has been a success; the England team has improved. But the differences between the sports are so vast that the comparison is pointless.0 -
You're welcome to interpret my comments in whatever way you choose. But you're wrong if I align to that part of the article. It's not a 'reason' for backing the Hundred.MrOneLung said:
Sorry AA and Fanny, I can no longer exchange pleasantries with you, as you are both reactionary gammons who hate not only change, but very possibly also brown people and womenChizz said:Yes, good one, AA. And I back the Hundred for all those reasons.0 -
Accusations about the leadership of the ECB may well be valid; but they're not exclusive to the the Hundred. I don't care how long Harrison keeps his job, so long as the ECB keep doing theirs: investing more in growing cricket at grass root and Joe Root levels.Addick Addict said:
And no doubt in doing so you also endorse the promotion to those new young lovers of cricket the consumption of those thoroughly healthy snacks that front the various shirts such as butterkist popcorn, McCoy's crisps, Tyrells crisps, Popchips, KP nuts, Pom-Bear, Skips and Hula-Hoops.Chizz said:Yes, good one, AA. And I back the Hundred for all those reasons.
After all, Harrison won't get his bonus without selling his soul to the devil. Wonder how long he will be around before moving on to his next ponzi scam. My spread is 18-24 months. Are you a buyer or seller?
You're not seriously asking me to justify whether the sponsorship of teams in the Hundred is appropriate though, are you? Or even suggesting that youngsters, otherwise oblivious to snacks will suddenly try out confectionary for the first time ever, because of the sponsorship? Because if that's the case, we'd have to have some conversations about whether it's appropriate for Kent to promote the drinking of Spitfire beer; or Sussex to encourage gambling habits with their promotion of Dafabet; or Surrey to encourage drinking and driving with the money they make out of Thatchers and Kia.
My view is that advertising snacks, drinks and cars aren't banned and shouldn't be; but that betting should be. It's a discussion that might be interesting, but it can't possibly be a reason to single out the Hundred as 'a bad thing', can it?0 -
Why is it an "illogical analogy" when it is comparable, or does it not suit your opinion?!Chizz said:
Would I draw the same conclusion in an entirely different set of circumstances, in a different sport, with different timescales, viewing figures, revenue generation, participation levels, sponsorship opportunities and, crucially, a different set of problems needing to be solved? On balance, no, I don't think I would. Drawing an illogical analogy doesn't work in my view.PrincessFiona said:
Would you back an equivalent in football, bearing in mind we are one of the lesser 'poorly run counties' as you refer to the counties without test grounds?Chizz said:Yes, good one, AA. And I back the Hundred for all those reasons.
Want to scrap the offside rule (as 'too complicated') and shorten the time? And maybe increase the goal size so there are more goals, maybe?
The ECB run the professional game and all aspects of the international team. And, by introducing the Hundred, they're filling the coffers, from which the professional game and the international teams draw. You could argue that the same thing happened with the Premier League, set up by the FA, which runs the game and the international teams in England. The Premier League has been a success; the England team has improved. But the differences between the sports are so vast that the comparison is pointless.0
