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ECB’s “The Hundred”
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PrincessFiona said:Chizz said:PrincessFiona said:Chizz said:Yes, good one, AA. And I back the Hundred for all those reasons.
Want to scrap the offside rule (as 'too complicated') and shorten the time? And maybe increase the goal size so there are more goals, maybe?
The ECB run the professional game and all aspects of the international team. And, by introducing the Hundred, they're filling the coffers, from which the professional game and the international teams draw. You could argue that the same thing happened with the Premier League, set up by the FA, which runs the game and the international teams in England. The Premier League has been a success; the England team has improved. But the differences between the sports are so vast that the comparison is pointless.
The mammoth commercial success of the FA's Premier League and the permanent infrastructure improvements of every ground since its inception have no bearing on whether a similar new league - the ECB's The Hundred - will also be successful.
I think The Hundred is successful and will continue to be; but I don't think it's because of the success of the FA's intervention in league football in the 90s.0 -
Because they are different sports, with different timescales, viewing figures, revenue generation, participation levels, sponsorship opportunities and a different set of problems that need to be solved. You may think England's eighteen first class cricket clubs, playing the vast majority of games to paltry crowds with no chance of being relegated is perfectly congruent with England's 92 clubs, some of whose average attendance is more than the capacity of the biggest cricket grounds in the country.
The mammoth commercial success of the FA's Premier League and the permanent infrastructure improvements of every ground since its inception have no bearing on whether a similar new league - the ECB's The Hundred - will also be successful.
I think The Hundred is successful and will continue to be; but I don't think it's because of the success of the FA's intervention in league football in the 90s.
And if one of the successes of the Hundred was to get cricket on terrestrial tv, how about more people being able to watch a form of football on tv, other than a handful of FA cup games?
They didn't develop the Hundred to develop cricket and cricketers, but to line pockets2 -
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Because they are different sports, with different timescales, viewing figures, revenue generation, participation levels, sponsorship opportunities and a different set of problems that need to be solved. You may think England's eighteen first class cricket clubs, playing the vast majority of games to paltry crowds with no chance of being relegated is perfectly congruent with England's 92 clubs, some of whose average attendance is more than the capacity of the biggest cricket grounds in the country.
The mammoth commercial success of the FA's Premier League and the permanent infrastructure improvements of every ground since its inception have no bearing on whether a similar new league - the ECB's The Hundred - will also be successful.
I think The Hundred is successful and will continue to be; but I don't think it's because of the success of the FA's intervention in league football in the 90s.
And if one of the successes of the Hundred was to get cricket on terrestrial tv, how about more people being able to watch a form of football on tv, other than a handful of FA cup games?
They didn't develop the Hundred to develop cricket and cricketers, but to line pockets0 -
Absolute disgrace of a tournament. The rich are destined to get richer and the poor will go amateur, have to sell grounds to pay debts. Squads at the big counties will get bigger as players specialise even more (Jordan to Surrey, Salt to Lancs today). Kent and Sussex are fucked. Minor counties. If you like this, you probably supported the super league or you’re an MK fan.6
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Cloudworm said:Absolute disgrace of a tournament. The rich are destined to get richer and the poor will go amateur, have to sell grounds to pay debts. Squads at the big counties will get bigger as players specialise even more (Jordan to Surrey, Salt to Lancs today). Kent and Sussex are fucked. Minor counties. If you like this, you probably supported the super league or you’re an MK fan.0
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Cloudworm said:Absolute disgrace of a tournament. The rich are destined to get richer and the poor will go amateur, have to sell grounds to pay debts. Squads at the big counties will get bigger as players specialise even more (Jordan to Surrey, Salt to Lancs today). Kent and Sussex are fucked. Minor counties. If you like this, you probably supported the super league or you’re an MK fan.
Because cricket is exactly like football.
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KBslittlesis saidfrabcise :Cloudworm said:Absolute disgrace of a tournament. The rich are destined to get richer and the poor will go amateur, have to sell grounds to pay debts. Squads at the big counties will get bigger as players specialise even more (Jordan to Surrey, Salt to Lancs today). Kent and Sussex are fucked. Minor counties. If you like this, you probably supported the super league or you’re an MK fan.
Because cricket is exactly like football.0 -
KBslittlesis said:Cloudworm said:Absolute disgrace of a tournament. The rich are destined to get richer and the poor will go amateur, have to sell grounds to pay debts. Squads at the big counties will get bigger as players specialise even more (Jordan to Surrey, Salt to Lancs today). Kent and Sussex are fucked. Minor counties. If you like this, you probably supported the super league or you’re an MK fan.
Because cricket is exactly like football.
That is exactly what Harrison and his mates want cricket to become. For youngsters to support the big counties/franchises with big stadia that will produce big returns. They couldn't care less if those franchises are plastic or where those fans come from or that they are diminishing the product and financial returns of the smaller counties that have been around for hundreds of years.
I still haven't heard anyone demonstrate exactly what makes The Hundred more exciting than the Vitality Blast. Equally, I haven't seen anyone explain why the ECB didn't pump the sort of money advertising the Blast or negotiating TV deals with the BBC in the way they have with The Hundred. Perhaps just because Harrison and his fellow executives wouldn't be able to line their own pockets to the same vast degree.5 -
KBslittlesis said:Cloudworm said:Absolute disgrace of a tournament. The rich are destined to get richer and the poor will go amateur, have to sell grounds to pay debts. Squads at the big counties will get bigger as players specialise even more (Jordan to Surrey, Salt to Lancs today). Kent and Sussex are fucked. Minor counties. If you like this, you probably supported the super league or you’re an MK fan.
Because cricket is exactly like football.
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Maybe because I’m just bored stiff of the constant sniping at people who actually enjoyed watching/going to The Hundred.
If we are going to draw comparisons this all reminds me of the start of the Premiership & Sky TV.
Footballs dead, the worlds going end, loads of clubs will disappear.
And do you know, I was one of them. It was years before I finally succumbed & took a Sky subscription & that was only because our pub landlord retired & the new ones stopped showing the football 🙄🤣🤣
I really enjoyed watching the Hundred. I really enjoyed watching different players I hadn’t seen before on all sides. I was surprised I got so behind the Invincibles but I did, probably because I actually like The Oval. Dare I say it even more than St Lawrence’s because Canterbury always just feels like a village cricket ground & I've never understood why they haven’t invested more into bringing it up to date?And none of that has detracted from my love of The Blast. I love both.
Now I get the argument regarding county cricket & I don’t know enough about the inner workings of the ECB to know if they’re a bunch of thieves. But what I do know is that all this bollocks that’s going back & forth between us all is just driving a fecking wedge that’s completely unnecessary.
I wonder if all this talk went on over a pint of ale when the introduced one day cricket all those years ago? Jeez 🙄2 -
KBslittlesis said:Maybe because I’m just bored stiff of the constant sniping at people who actually enjoyed watching/going to The Hundred.
If we are going to draw comparisons this all reminds me of the start of the Premiership & Sky TV.
Footballs dead, the worlds going end, loads of clubs will disappear.
And do you know, I was one of them. It was years before I finally succumbed & took a Sky subscription & that was only because our pub landlord retired & the new ones stopped showing the football 🙄🤣🤣
I really enjoyed watching the Hundred. I really enjoyed watching different players I hadn’t seen before on all sides. I was surprised I got so behind the Invincibles but I did, probably because I actually like The Oval. Dare I say it even more than St Lawrence’s because Canterbury always just feels like a village cricket ground & I've never understood why they haven’t invested more into bringing it up to date?And none of that has detracted from my love of The Blast. I love both.
Now I get the argument regarding county cricket & I don’t know enough about the inner workings of the ECB to know if they’re a bunch of thieves. But what I do know is that all this bollocks that’s going back & forth between us all is just driving a fecking wedge that’s completely unnecessary.
I wonder if all this talk went on over a pint of ale when the introduced one day cricket all those years ago? Jeez 🙄
For what it's worth, I think it's possible and perfectly reasonable to hold views that separate out the enjoyment of the competition to the question of its overall value. I thoroughly enjoyed the games that I watched, but that doesn't mean that I don't believe the format and the competition is detrimental to the wider sport. Just because I enjoyed watching the likes of Stirling and Livingstone smashing balls all over the place, doesn't mean that I can't think that on balance the 100 is a bad thing for cricket.4 -
Yes Stig, it most certainly has.0
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I was going to post this on the Kent Cricket thread but is probably better on here, could it just be possible that Kent did so well last because so many of their players had played in The Hundred and got game time in that form of cricket.
Like @KBslittlesis I enjoyed watching The Hundred and have also enjoyed watching the T20 Blast this week. I've probably enjoyed it more as I now recognise players that took part in the Hundred.
It cannot be a bad thing for cricket if it can attract new people to the game.0 -
ME14addick said:I was going to post this on the Kent Cricket thread but is probably better on here, could it just be possible that Kent did so well last because so many of their players had played in The Hundred and got game time in that form of cricket.
Like @KBslittlesis I enjoyed watching The Hundred and have also enjoyed watching the T20 Blast this week. I've probably enjoyed it more as I now recognise players that took part in the Hundred.
It cannot be a bad thing for cricket if it can attract new people to the game.5 -
The Hundred is to cricket what the proposed Super League was to football. Without question.
An easy way to concentrate power and treasure even more with the 'haves' at the expense of the 'have nots'.
History, tradition, localism and all those unfashionable, non-vibrant, 'legacy fans' can do one. What use are they anyway?
Them and their backward local allegiances are so last century!3 -
Addick Addict said:KBslittlesis said:Cloudworm said:Absolute disgrace of a tournament. The rich are destined to get richer and the poor will go amateur, have to sell grounds to pay debts. Squads at the big counties will get bigger as players specialise even more (Jordan to Surrey, Salt to Lancs today). Kent and Sussex are fucked. Minor counties. If you like this, you probably supported the super league or you’re an MK fan.
Because cricket is exactly like football.
That is exactly what Harrison and his mates want cricket to become. For youngsters to support the big counties/franchises with big stadia that will produce big returns. They couldn't care less if those franchises are plastic or where those fans come from or that they are diminishing the product and financial returns of the smaller counties that have been around for hundreds of years.
I still haven't heard anyone demonstrate exactly what makes The Hundred more exciting than the Vitality Blast. Equally, I haven't seen anyone explain why the ECB didn't pump the sort of money advertising the Blast or negotiating TV deals with the BBC in the way they have with The Hundred. Perhaps just because Harrison and his fellow executives wouldn't be able to line their own pockets to the same vast degree.
The Hundred is more exciting than The Blast, because it is in addition to The Blast. It's not a case of which format is more exciting - you and I probably differ on that. It's exciting because it's in addition to The Blast and it's lucrative because it's sufficiently different.
@BlackfenLen summed up perfectly what it's for and why it's a good idea. But, to me, a family taking their six-year old to his first-ever game, is the definition of 'exciting'. No doubt there were opportunities to take him to a Blast game, but these were not taken up. This 6 year old's first witnessing of professional cricket is thanks to The Hundred, at the Oval, in the same way mine was thanks to Test cricket at the Oval - I wish I hadn't had to wait those extra few years.BlackfenLen said:At the Oval tomorrow night with my wife and 6 year Son. He's really excited about going to the Oval and if helps him become a cricket fan then I'm all for it.
@Addick_and_Chips summed it up well, too.Addick_and_Chips said:Enjoyed that. Nice to see kids taking an interest in cricket. Hopefully brings in fans to all the formats.
Can there be a better endorsement than from someone like @KBslittlesis who went with an open mind and thoroughly enjoyed it?KBslittlesis said:Laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaandan!
Having had no preconceived ideas how this was going to go, I sat down with an open heart, cricket, oval as a venue, loving heart.
And I loved it.
I miss the Oval. I loved my cricket nights there 🥰🤩😍🤩🥰MarcusH26 said:I'm just treating it like watching any of these franchise tournaments , it's decent entertainment with some of the players on show. Don't really have an allegence to any of the teams .suzisausage said:I’m enjoying it. Really don’t see the harm in it or why anyone would be so annoyed about it.The kids are loving it!Rothko said:
My 7 year old liked it too, wants to go to a game at the Oval. He's shown absolutely no interest in a T20 game at Canterbury, even when he's seen the games on SkySaulc23 said:As someone who hasn’t watched cricket since it was taken off terrestrial TV, I’m really happy to just have some format of the game back for me to watch.
Can understand why the purists don’t like it but me and my 4 year old son are enjoying it and who knows, this could be his gateway into the sport? Can’t see the harm in it.
The very aptly named @objectivecafc called it. You can enjoy it, without enjoying everything about it. (Probably in the same way you can enjoy Test cricket and not enjoy the players coming off for bad light in the afternoon when the floodlights are on).objectivecafc said:Ok I'm going to do this... I am really enjoying it so far.
Really hate love islanders interviewing kids and strange DJs in the stands, but the cricket has been quality entertainment.
Colour scheme is disgusting too.
The question about negotiating contracts with the BBC was addressed by @cafc999 and answered by @randy andyrandy andy said:cafc999 said:Why didn't they just pump some more money into the T20 tournament to attract major overseas players like the IPL?
The bit that I don't understand is why some people who claim to enjoy cricket also want this new form of cricket to fail. I love Test cricket, ODIs and T20 internationals; lots of county cricket can also be interesting; and The Hundred is another opportunity to see - live or on terrestrial TV, at home or abroad - the world's best Summer sport. It's all good and it's all symbiotic. Even though I find the Royal London Cup excruciating, I want it to continue, because some people like it. (Perhaps that marks me out as not being a 'proper cricket fan'. Although, if the sport only ever relies on 'proper cricket fans', it will eventually wither and die). So why some people want The Hundred to fail baffles me.Missed It said:It also gives a fair idea of the mindset of the people who run cricket. Clueless, petty and small minded. I hope this pretend version of cricket dies on its arse like it deserves to.blackpool72 said:I hope it is a major flop and we can go back to proper cricketCovered End said:I'll ... watch a men's game out of curiosity, but I'm quite happy if it's a massive failure.
I enjoyed it and I am looking forward to next year's competition, which I imagine will be even more popular, with the addition of more big name players able to travel to England. Equally, I am looking forward to going to the Oval next month to watch the Test. I hope they let me in - it would be a shame to miss a Test match at the Oval for the first time since 1975 because I am outed as not being a 'proper cricket fan'.
But for now, I will sign off this thread and get back to watching England struggle against India at Edgbaston. It's such a shame the Test team has been ruined, as predicted, by The Hundred.
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Your enitre argument seems to be based on 2 things @Chizz - I'm sure you'll correct me if I'm wrong
Firstly, the more money that goes into sport the healthier the sport will be.
Secondly, entertaining = successful.
It depends on what success looks like to you. For me, success looks like watching decent players with friends and family at affordable prices at my local county ground. A shared experience. I see the 100 as a threat to this.
Of course it's entertaining, that's not the point for me. Of course a 7 year old will love it and might go to a county championship game...but where? The Oval? Lords...? Probably not Hove or Canterbury.
I don't like watching cricket anywhere near as much as I like watching Sussex play cricket and compete with all the other counties. Similarly, I don't really like watching football - I like watching Charlton play football and compete...
Wait, what...?
There is an assumption that the premier league has been a success. How is it? For me, it's been an unbridled disaster. Again, we're back to more money = success. Not for me. If I had shares in Bentley or Range Rover, maybe.5 -
How much more money do the host ground counties get than the other counties?Does the ECB pay a set fee to them and the ECB gets the in ground revenue and ticket sales or is it all shared at a certain percentage between the ECB and the county ?0
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I mentioned previously that Sussex had 12 contracted players between the ages of 17 and 20 as opposed to Kent's two (one being Jordan Cox and the other Tawanda Muyeye who came from Sussex too).
The current Sussex CC team playing in this week's CC game has an average age of just over 20 and the following table has been tweeted by way of evidence:Apart from their incredibly youthful team, the other striking aspect of this is that this XI were all privately educated (as were Muyeye and Cox at Kent).
An incredibly small number of pro footballers are privately educated. Equally, there are far more State school recreational cricketers than there are privately educated ones. So why are more State school children not breaking through? Perhaps the ECB should be asked as to how they propose State school educated children that pay to watch The Hundred, whose parents can't afford to send their child to a private school (even with a full scholarship), can progress into County age group squads?
I think the answer lies with the relationship between not the clubs and counties but the schools and counties. Take Eastbourne College for example. The Head of Cricket there is Rob Ferley, former Kent cricketer. He is the eyes and ears of the county and has a vested interest in producing pro cricketers because the more he does that the more attractive the school becomes. I believe that Sussex have an App that is shared by them and school coaches so both can monitor the progress and work on aspects of a child's game together. When a State school doesn't even support cricket as part of their curriculum there is no such continuity. The majority of parents don't have the money to pay for all that playing cricket at county age group level entails. Clubs don't either and neither do counties such as Kent.
So does Tom Harrison, the ECB CEO, who was himself privately educated himself at Oundle School actually understand this? Or is that he has no vested interest whatsoever in changing this? The programmes such as All Stars and Dynamos that the ECB sponsor only apply to the age of 10. They also end prior to The Hundred so the interest element is lost because there is no end product available anyway.
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Addick Addict said:I mentioned previously that Sussex had 12 contracted players between the ages of 17 and 20 as opposed to Kent's two (one being Jordan Cox and the other Tawanda Muyeye who came from Sussex too).
The current Sussex CC team playing in this week's CC game has an average age of just over 20 and the following table has been tweeted by way of evidence:Apart from their incredibly youthful team, the other striking aspect of this is that this XI were all privately educated (as were Muyeye and Cox at Kent).
An incredibly small number of pro footballers are privately educated. Equally, there are far more State school recreational cricketers than there are privately educated ones. So why are more State school children not breaking through? Perhaps the ECB should be asked as to how they propose State school educated children that pay to watch The Hundred, whose parents can't afford to send their child to a private school (even with a full scholarship), can progress into County age group squads?
I think the answer lies with the relationship between not the clubs and counties but the schools and counties. Take Eastbourne College for example. The Head of Cricket there is Rob Ferley, former Kent cricketer. He is the eyes and ears of the county and has a vested interest in producing pro cricketers because the more he does that the more attractive the school becomes. I believe that Sussex have an App that is shared by them and school coaches so both can monitor the progress and work on aspects of a child's game together. When a State school doesn't even support cricket as part of their curriculum there is no such continuity. The majority of parents don't have the money to pay for all that playing cricket at county age group level entails. Clubs don't either and neither do counties such as Kent.
So does Tom Harrison, the ECB CEO, who was himself privately educated himself at Oundle School actually understand this? Or is that he has no vested interest whatsoever in changing this? The programmes such as All Stars and Dynamos that the ECB sponsor only apply to the age of 10. They also end prior to The Hundred so the interest element is lost because there is no end product available anyway.
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Chizz said:Addick Addict said:I mentioned previously that Sussex had 12 contracted players between the ages of 17 and 20 as opposed to Kent's two (one being Jordan Cox and the other Tawanda Muyeye who came from Sussex too).
The current Sussex CC team playing in this week's CC game has an average age of just over 20 and the following table has been tweeted by way of evidence:Apart from their incredibly youthful team, the other striking aspect of this is that this XI were all privately educated (as were Muyeye and Cox at Kent).
An incredibly small number of pro footballers are privately educated. Equally, there are far more State school recreational cricketers than there are privately educated ones. So why are more State school children not breaking through? Perhaps the ECB should be asked as to how they propose State school educated children that pay to watch The Hundred, whose parents can't afford to send their child to a private school (even with a full scholarship), can progress into County age group squads?
I think the answer lies with the relationship between not the clubs and counties but the schools and counties. Take Eastbourne College for example. The Head of Cricket there is Rob Ferley, former Kent cricketer. He is the eyes and ears of the county and has a vested interest in producing pro cricketers because the more he does that the more attractive the school becomes. I believe that Sussex have an App that is shared by them and school coaches so both can monitor the progress and work on aspects of a child's game together. When a State school doesn't even support cricket as part of their curriculum there is no such continuity. The majority of parents don't have the money to pay for all that playing cricket at county age group level entails. Clubs don't either and neither do counties such as Kent.
So does Tom Harrison, the ECB CEO, who was himself privately educated himself at Oundle School actually understand this? Or is that he has no vested interest whatsoever in changing this? The programmes such as All Stars and Dynamos that the ECB sponsor only apply to the age of 10. They also end prior to The Hundred so the interest element is lost because there is no end product available anyway."It's all a big challenge trying to capture kids' imaginations and young people's imaginations," he said. "We are competing with everything. We've had a lot of news about Fortnite recently in the news - that's the kind of competitive landscape that we're in."We've got a plan - it's called 'Inspiring Generations'. We launched it at the start of the year, [and] it's literally kicking off right now using the Ashes and the World Cup as a platform for growing the game."It's all about transforming the women's and girls' game in this country, and looking again at our schools strategy, because we're not comfortable about where we're at with schools in this country."
Harrison claimed that cricket had already enjoyed a post-World Cup bounce, highlighting strong sales in Vitality Blast tickets, and claimed that the ECB had seen "people writing in and saying 'my family have never really looked at cricket as being an option', and suddenly it's something that their kids are talking about, they want to play, they want to be part of".Despite their apparent marginalisation to open up a window for The Hundred from next year, he said that the ECB have "got to put our counties at the heart of the challenge to grow the game in this country", and to ensure "that our county clubs are filling grounds across the country more regularly and for more formats of the game".He also highlighted the role of the ECB's South Asian community programme, and said England "have got an incredibly diverse team that won the World Cup and that's playing in this Ashes Test right now" - despite the fact that ten of the side for the Edgbaston Test are white British and six were privately educated.
This interview was more than two years ago. The Hundred was and still is being touted as a vehicle to bring cricket to the masses. The masses can buy tickets but there is still no evidence whatsoever that he and the ECB have done a single thing to incentivise kids from State schools to break into the county set up. The fact that all 14 under 20 contracted players at Kent and Sussex were privately educated says it all in that respect.1 -
Addick Addict said:Chizz said:Addick Addict said:I mentioned previously that Sussex had 12 contracted players between the ages of 17 and 20 as opposed to Kent's two (one being Jordan Cox and the other Tawanda Muyeye who came from Sussex too).
The current Sussex CC team playing in this week's CC game has an average age of just over 20 and the following table has been tweeted by way of evidence:Apart from their incredibly youthful team, the other striking aspect of this is that this XI were all privately educated (as were Muyeye and Cox at Kent).
An incredibly small number of pro footballers are privately educated. Equally, there are far more State school recreational cricketers than there are privately educated ones. So why are more State school children not breaking through? Perhaps the ECB should be asked as to how they propose State school educated children that pay to watch The Hundred, whose parents can't afford to send their child to a private school (even with a full scholarship), can progress into County age group squads?
I think the answer lies with the relationship between not the clubs and counties but the schools and counties. Take Eastbourne College for example. The Head of Cricket there is Rob Ferley, former Kent cricketer. He is the eyes and ears of the county and has a vested interest in producing pro cricketers because the more he does that the more attractive the school becomes. I believe that Sussex have an App that is shared by them and school coaches so both can monitor the progress and work on aspects of a child's game together. When a State school doesn't even support cricket as part of their curriculum there is no such continuity. The majority of parents don't have the money to pay for all that playing cricket at county age group level entails. Clubs don't either and neither do counties such as Kent.
So does Tom Harrison, the ECB CEO, who was himself privately educated himself at Oundle School actually understand this? Or is that he has no vested interest whatsoever in changing this? The programmes such as All Stars and Dynamos that the ECB sponsor only apply to the age of 10. They also end prior to The Hundred so the interest element is lost because there is no end product available anyway."It's all a big challenge trying to capture kids' imaginations and young people's imaginations," he said. "We are competing with everything. We've had a lot of news about Fortnite recently in the news - that's the kind of competitive landscape that we're in."We've got a plan - it's called 'Inspiring Generations'. We launched it at the start of the year, [and] it's literally kicking off right now using the Ashes and the World Cup as a platform for growing the game."It's all about transforming the women's and girls' game in this country, and looking again at our schools strategy, because we're not comfortable about where we're at with schools in this country."
Harrison claimed that cricket had already enjoyed a post-World Cup bounce, highlighting strong sales in Vitality Blast tickets, and claimed that the ECB had seen "people writing in and saying 'my family have never really looked at cricket as being an option', and suddenly it's something that their kids are talking about, they want to play, they want to be part of".Despite their apparent marginalisation to open up a window for The Hundred from next year, he said that the ECB have "got to put our counties at the heart of the challenge to grow the game in this country", and to ensure "that our county clubs are filling grounds across the country more regularly and for more formats of the game".He also highlighted the role of the ECB's South Asian community programme, and said England "have got an incredibly diverse team that won the World Cup and that's playing in this Ashes Test right now" - despite the fact that ten of the side for the Edgbaston Test are white British and six were privately educated.
This interview was more than two years ago. The Hundred was and still is being touted as a vehicle to bring cricket to the masses. The masses can buy tickets but there is still no evidence whatsoever that he and the ECB have done a single thing to incentivise kids from State schools to break into the county set up. The fact that all 14 under 20 contracted players at Kent and Sussex were privately educated says it all in that respect.
The ECB have responsibility for developing and supporting all areas of the game – from elite through to recreational level. It's a limited company, owned by the 38 counties and the MCC. It has six strategic aims, tp grow and nurture the core, to inspire through elite teams, to make cricket accessible, to engage children and young people, to transform women's and girls' cricket and to support communities.
The Hundred is one of the ways - by, by no means the only way - it aims to achieve each of these goals. By all means criticise the ECB if you feel (and I am sure you do) that it's failing to achieve its agreed strategic goals. But, please understand that, if the ECB is falling short in any of its strategic goals, the reason for that cannot be sensibly attributed solely to one of the many competitions the ECB runs.
If you think the ECB are responsible for Sussex only using players that were educated privately and you think that's not a good thing, you're perfectly entitled to that view and you should argue that case. Further, you may decide that the ECB are to blame for Sussex's recruitment policy and should intervene in order to change how, and from where, Sussex recruit players. Again, you would be perfectly entitled to that view. But it's nothing at all to do with The Hundred which, I think, didn't take place until after all of those players were signed.0 -
Surely one of the main reasons why those of us that support & appreciate our Counties is that The Hundred will always ( should it continue) be played over the month of August in order to attract families with kids on school hols. And that this is the only time that the 50 over 1 day matches can be played due to the T20 Blast & the 4 day match competitions.
As I, and others, have stated before ( although basically ignored by the Hundred fans regardless of whether they intend to go to matches themselves....) this means that the counties AND their income suffer due to depleted squads being available for said competition. Whilst it's heartwarming to see a county's up & coming players / 2nd teamers perform, it's not what we pay £25 a pop to see ...especially when it's not a level playing field.
Once again, I'd draw attention to the inclusion of up to ELEVEN Kent contracted players in The Hundred whilst the 1 dayers were taking place. Is there any wonder that our county's performances suffered substantially during August ...and attendances were affected ?
I also fail to see how anyone who enjoys cricket as a sport cannot understand that this "glory boys" form of the game impacts so heavily on, not only cricket at county level but IF the 50 over competition is shelved, England's expertise at international level.
IF The Hundred continues next season ( as Rothko is adamant it will) then surely the number of players involved from each county MUST be limited to a maximum of, say 3 or 4 in addition to the overseas players clamouring to take part in yet another Franchise tournament. Parity must be maintained for the sake of The Beautiful Game Mk 2....
One final point today on the subject from Fanny.
With families eager to holiday both home & abroad next August , once schools have broken up for the summer, I wonder whether they will be as eager to continue to support the Hundred as in its inaugural year or whether finances & interest will impact attendances.....
But, of course, it's never about money, is it ?5 -
Chizz said:Addick Addict said:Chizz said:Addick Addict said:I mentioned previously that Sussex had 12 contracted players between the ages of 17 and 20 as opposed to Kent's two (one being Jordan Cox and the other Tawanda Muyeye who came from Sussex too).
The current Sussex CC team playing in this week's CC game has an average age of just over 20 and the following table has been tweeted by way of evidence:Apart from their incredibly youthful team, the other striking aspect of this is that this XI were all privately educated (as were Muyeye and Cox at Kent).
An incredibly small number of pro footballers are privately educated. Equally, there are far more State school recreational cricketers than there are privately educated ones. So why are more State school children not breaking through? Perhaps the ECB should be asked as to how they propose State school educated children that pay to watch The Hundred, whose parents can't afford to send their child to a private school (even with a full scholarship), can progress into County age group squads?
I think the answer lies with the relationship between not the clubs and counties but the schools and counties. Take Eastbourne College for example. The Head of Cricket there is Rob Ferley, former Kent cricketer. He is the eyes and ears of the county and has a vested interest in producing pro cricketers because the more he does that the more attractive the school becomes. I believe that Sussex have an App that is shared by them and school coaches so both can monitor the progress and work on aspects of a child's game together. When a State school doesn't even support cricket as part of their curriculum there is no such continuity. The majority of parents don't have the money to pay for all that playing cricket at county age group level entails. Clubs don't either and neither do counties such as Kent.
So does Tom Harrison, the ECB CEO, who was himself privately educated himself at Oundle School actually understand this? Or is that he has no vested interest whatsoever in changing this? The programmes such as All Stars and Dynamos that the ECB sponsor only apply to the age of 10. They also end prior to The Hundred so the interest element is lost because there is no end product available anyway."It's all a big challenge trying to capture kids' imaginations and young people's imaginations," he said. "We are competing with everything. We've had a lot of news about Fortnite recently in the news - that's the kind of competitive landscape that we're in."We've got a plan - it's called 'Inspiring Generations'. We launched it at the start of the year, [and] it's literally kicking off right now using the Ashes and the World Cup as a platform for growing the game."It's all about transforming the women's and girls' game in this country, and looking again at our schools strategy, because we're not comfortable about where we're at with schools in this country."
Harrison claimed that cricket had already enjoyed a post-World Cup bounce, highlighting strong sales in Vitality Blast tickets, and claimed that the ECB had seen "people writing in and saying 'my family have never really looked at cricket as being an option', and suddenly it's something that their kids are talking about, they want to play, they want to be part of".Despite their apparent marginalisation to open up a window for The Hundred from next year, he said that the ECB have "got to put our counties at the heart of the challenge to grow the game in this country", and to ensure "that our county clubs are filling grounds across the country more regularly and for more formats of the game".He also highlighted the role of the ECB's South Asian community programme, and said England "have got an incredibly diverse team that won the World Cup and that's playing in this Ashes Test right now" - despite the fact that ten of the side for the Edgbaston Test are white British and six were privately educated.
This interview was more than two years ago. The Hundred was and still is being touted as a vehicle to bring cricket to the masses. The masses can buy tickets but there is still no evidence whatsoever that he and the ECB have done a single thing to incentivise kids from State schools to break into the county set up. The fact that all 14 under 20 contracted players at Kent and Sussex were privately educated says it all in that respect.
The ECB have responsibility for developing and supporting all areas of the game – from elite through to recreational level. It's a limited company, owned by the 38 counties and the MCC. It has six strategic aims, tp grow and nurture the core, to inspire through elite teams, to make cricket accessible, to engage children and young people, to transform women's and girls' cricket and to support communities.
The Hundred is one of the ways - by, by no means the only way - it aims to achieve each of these goals. By all means criticise the ECB if you feel (and I am sure you do) that it's failing to achieve its agreed strategic goals. But, please understand that, if the ECB is falling short in any of its strategic goals, the reason for that cannot be sensibly attributed solely to one of the many competitions the ECB runs.
If you think the ECB are responsible for Sussex only using players that were educated privately and you think that's not a good thing, you're perfectly entitled to that view and you should argue that case. Further, you may decide that the ECB are to blame for Sussex's recruitment policy and should intervene in order to change how, and from where, Sussex recruit players. Again, you would be perfectly entitled to that view. But it's nothing at all to do with The Hundred which, I think, didn't take place until after all of those players were signed.
Anyone who has any notion of what is happening at club level will recognise, with the number of clubs that have folded, the damage that the ECB have done already. The Hundred is just another extension of that and the percentage of privately educated kids from 10 upwards in age group squads is evidence that nothing has changed.
I absolutely guarantee that most of the volunteers at the remaining clubs will still be there a long time after Harrison has disappeared into the sunset having pocketed his bonuses and moved on to his next personal money making venture.4 -
Fanny Fanackapan said:Surely one of the main reasons why those of us that support & appreciate our Counties is that The Hundred will always ( should it continue) be played over the month of August in order to attract families with kids on school hols. And that this is the only time that the 50 over 1 day matches can be played due to the T20 Blast & the 4 day match competitions.
As I, and others, have stated before ( although basically ignored by the Hundred fans regardless of whether they intend to go to matches themselves....) this means that the counties AND their income suffer due to depleted squads being available for said competition. Whilst it's heartwarming to see a county's up & coming players / 2nd teamers perform, it's not what we pay £25 a pop to see ...especially when it's not a level playing field.
Once again, I'd draw attention to the inclusion of up to ELEVEN Kent contracted players in The Hundred whilst the 1 dayers were taking place. Is there any wonder that our county's performances suffered substantially during August ...and attendances were affected ?
I also fail to see how anyone who enjoys cricket as a sport cannot understand that this "glory boys" form of the game impacts so heavily on, not only cricket at county level but IF the 50 over competition is shelved, England's expertise at international level.
IF The Hundred continues next season ( as Rothko is adamant it will) then surely the number of players involved from each county MUST be limited to a maximum of, say 3 or 4 in addition to the overseas players clamouring to take part in yet another Franchise tournament. Parity must be maintained for the sake of The Beautiful Game Mk 2....
One final point today on the subject from Fanny.
With families eager to holiday both home & abroad next August , once schools have broken up for the summer, I wonder whether they will be as eager to continue to support the Hundred as in its inaugural year or whether finances & interest will impact attendances.....
But, of course, it's never about money, is it ?
Just because there are a couple of advantages in a new concept it doesn't mean it is a good thing it is as massively outweighed by far more disadvantages. Unless the £s outweighs the game of cricket, of course!2 -
There is one other thing that The Hundred has done to damage the game. There is no such thing now, so far as lifetime stats are concerned, as overs and maidens. The fact that overs are 5/10 balls long in The Hundred means that they cannot be recorded as overs. And maidens can't be shown because overs are no longer of a standard six ball duration!0
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Very interesting questions @Addick Addict. I wonder if the real things that hold state educated kids back from professional cricket are things that the 100 couldn't possibly address. Namely lack of resources, and in particular physical space. In comparison you need a lot less space and equipment to organise football lessons/matches.0
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Another mention, bless.
It will continue as the TV deal with Sky and the BBC are based around it, and it funds itself from that £40m that is paid by those two, gate money, plus the money from KP, Cazoo etc who were more than willing partners. and Derek Pringle can write another polemic in the Telegraph, and preach to that group of readers, but the format is here for a long while.
There is this constant stuff that you can't like all forms of cricket, or care about the county game, when it's clear a lot of us who enjoyed the Hundred, also care about the county game, the women game, and the chronic participation/attendance problem that cricket has beyond it's traditional base. I want Cricket to be successful and reach a wider group of people, I want the counties to be sustainable businesses that think beyond their members and welcome the people who have got the bug from the Hundred to them, yet I see precious little of that.
The Hundred isn't a silver bullet, but it's bringing money into the sport no matter what you do with the blast can bring in, new people into the sport (loads of my 7 years old friends have gone to games and are now taking up cricket because of the Hundred, my lad has hit first cricket set because of it) and a very different demographic in the stadiums. The ECB need to sort the calendar out for next season, but hopefully, we'll be out of a global pandemic which has had an effect on how the calendar works.
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Addick Addict said:There is one other thing that The Hundred has done to damage the game. There is no such thing now, so far as lifetime stats are concerned, as overs and maidens. The fact that overs are 5/10 balls long in The Hundred means that they cannot be recorded as overs. And maidens can't be shown because overs are no longer of a standard six ball duration!
In no way does this 'damage the game'. Overs will continue to be six, consecutive deliveries bowled by one bowler in a first class match a limited over match or a T20 match, until such time as that number changes again (as it has in the past).
I don't think anyone needs to worry about the recording of maiden overs in a format of cricket that has neither maidens or overs.0