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Conor Washington on sacking of Nigel Adkins
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Cafc43v3r said:
Serious question was the system and tactics significantly different to the same ones we used in the last ten games last season?DOUCHER said:diplomatic by washington but a load of guff - it was the system and tactics that was killing the players -' the other stuff'
Were the systems and tactics used by Bowyer in the first 10 games (7 wins, 2 defeats and draw) that different in the next 26 games?
I would love to know what exactly changed/went wrong in both cases because for two so different people to end up with exactly the same outcome, via completely different routes, is, well, unique. On second thoughts maybe it isn't because Jose and OGS have both achieved the same thing.
Not that unusual at all 'Ged' - i don't remember stockley playing up front on his own last season thats for sure - he had either washington, maatsen or aneke up with him. I do remember loads of complaints when watson was plodding around under bowyer, pratley had zero creativity and morgan ballooned everything over and wide, when he was actually switched on rather than daydreaming - i also don't remember having 2 winger come forwards who didn't have to track back - they are now playing as wing backs - so under adkins this season, we seemed to combine the worst bits of the bowyer era to start with with no attacking intent / threat to then go the complete opposite and have a team of attackers / wingers / attacking midfielders with no defensive duties and a slow cdm - a balance was always required and jackson has found that and thats what good football managers do - it was beyond adkins clearly2 -
Aged well…Croydon said:Washington is not capable of 1 in 3 goals. His finishing is easily his worst attribute. Glad he's in the side, as we're better with him, but he ain't a goal scorer0 -
I don't mind being wrong, I do mind reinventing history.DOUCHER said:Cafc43v3r said:
Serious question was the system and tactics significantly different to the same ones we used in the last ten games last season?DOUCHER said:diplomatic by washington but a load of guff - it was the system and tactics that was killing the players -' the other stuff'
Were the systems and tactics used by Bowyer in the first 10 games (7 wins, 2 defeats and draw) that different in the next 26 games?
I would love to know what exactly changed/went wrong in both cases because for two so different people to end up with exactly the same outcome, via completely different routes, is, well, unique. On second thoughts maybe it isn't because Jose and OGS have both achieved the same thing.
Not that unusual at all 'Ged' - i don't remember stockley playing up front on his own last season thats for sure - he had either washington, maatsen or aneke up with him. I do remember loads of complaints when watson was plodding around under bowyer, pratley had zero creativity and morgan ballooned everything over and wide, when he was actually switched on rather than daydreaming - i also don't remember having 2 winger come forwards who didn't have to track back - they are now playing as wing backs - so under adkins this season, we seemed to combine the worst bits of the bowyer era to start with with no attacking intent / threat to then go the complete opposite and have a team of attackers / wingers / attacking midfielders with no defensive duties and a slow cdm - a balance was always required and jackson has found that and thats what good football managers do - it was beyond adkins clearly
How many games last seaosn, under Adkins, did Stockley start with Washington, Aneke or Maatsen in a two? 1 or 2?
Not sure why you would call me Ged when my stance, through out this, is Adkins had to got but I am convinced it's not all his fault. Hardly a stance Ged would take is it?
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It did. Washington missed two sitters, he kept at it though and got the goal in the end.EveshamAddick said:
Aged well…Croydon said:Washington is not capable of 1 in 3 goals. His finishing is easily his worst attribute. Glad he's in the side, as we're better with him, but he ain't a goal scorer
He admitted himself he scores in patches.1 -
Good on him for believing in himself and risking the flying arms of Stockley if didn't score.4
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Knew himself he should have scored before he did hence his muted celebration but another hard working performance that helped get us a point.2
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Exactly he is a proper nuisance, if he was more clinical hw wouldn't be playing in League 1. He epitomises the effort we showed tonight, take him out for a more lethal player and then we might not play as well.Henry Irving said:Knew himself he should have scored before he did hence his muted celebration but another hard working performance that helped get us a point.1 -
I don't think we should let judgement pass on Washington's profligacy by feeling lucky he's not in the league above, if he could finish. Players improve over time and through coaching/training.0
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This. I was really surprised he had the confidence to go for goal, given the chances he had missed. Or maybe it says more about the confidence he had in Stockers to finish the chance.mendonca said:Good on him for believing in himself and risking the flying arms of Stockley if didn't score.0 -
I think tonight was the fourth or fifth one-on-one that Washington has fluffed this season. Good on him for getting the goal in the end but it's a woeful ratio.1
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Typical Washington fashion he misses two glorious chances before scoring a beauty.EveshamAddick said:
Aged well…Croydon said:Washington is not capable of 1 in 3 goals. His finishing is easily his worst attribute. Glad he's in the side, as we're better with him, but he ain't a goal scorer
Was the 1 in 3 his goal to chance ratio? 😅1 -
how many games? most - and no, it wasn't all adkins fault - it was ged's as wellCafc43v3r said:
I don't mind being wrong, I do mind reinventing history.DOUCHER said:Cafc43v3r said:
Serious question was the system and tactics significantly different to the same ones we used in the last ten games last season?DOUCHER said:diplomatic by washington but a load of guff - it was the system and tactics that was killing the players -' the other stuff'
Were the systems and tactics used by Bowyer in the first 10 games (7 wins, 2 defeats and draw) that different in the next 26 games?
I would love to know what exactly changed/went wrong in both cases because for two so different people to end up with exactly the same outcome, via completely different routes, is, well, unique. On second thoughts maybe it isn't because Jose and OGS have both achieved the same thing.
Not that unusual at all 'Ged' - i don't remember stockley playing up front on his own last season thats for sure - he had either washington, maatsen or aneke up with him. I do remember loads of complaints when watson was plodding around under bowyer, pratley had zero creativity and morgan ballooned everything over and wide, when he was actually switched on rather than daydreaming - i also don't remember having 2 winger come forwards who didn't have to track back - they are now playing as wing backs - so under adkins this season, we seemed to combine the worst bits of the bowyer era to start with with no attacking intent / threat to then go the complete opposite and have a team of attackers / wingers / attacking midfielders with no defensive duties and a slow cdm - a balance was always required and jackson has found that and thats what good football managers do - it was beyond adkins clearly
How many games last seaosn, under Adkins, did Stockley start with Washington, Aneke or Maatsen in a two? 1 or 2?
Not sure why you would call me Ged when my stance, through out this, is Adkins had to got but I am convinced it's not all his fault. Hardly a stance Ged would take is it?0 -
To be fair he was pushed in the back just before he touched the ball and that gave the keeper a chance to smother it.Chunes said:I think tonight was the fourth or fifth one-on-one that Washington has fluffed this season. Good on him for getting the goal in the end but it's a woeful ratio.0 -
The game last night was Washington in a nutshell really. Fluffs a couple of easy chances but then his effort and energy get him what looks like a hopeful crack and he buries it. Detractors say he missed some easier chances (which he did, in fairness), fans of his point out the goal he did score. Both have merit.Croydon said:
Typical Washington fashion he misses two glorious chances before scoring a beauty.EveshamAddick said:
Aged well…Croydon said:Washington is not capable of 1 in 3 goals. His finishing is easily his worst attribute. Glad he's in the side, as we're better with him, but he ain't a goal scorer
Was the 1 in 3 his goal to chance ratio? 😅
That makes it 3 goals in 13 this season I think, so just behind the 1 in 3, mathematically.2 -
2 of them penalties though, so that makes 1 open play goal this season which is fewer than Lavelle has...thenewbie said:
The game last night was Washington in a nutshell really. Fluffs a couple of easy chances but then his effort and energy get him what looks like a hopeful crack and he buries it. Detractors say he missed some easier chances (which he did, in fairness), fans of his point out the goal he did score. Both have merit.Croydon said:
Typical Washington fashion he misses two glorious chances before scoring a beauty.EveshamAddick said:
Aged well…Croydon said:Washington is not capable of 1 in 3 goals. His finishing is easily his worst attribute. Glad he's in the side, as we're better with him, but he ain't a goal scorer
Was the 1 in 3 his goal to chance ratio? 😅
That makes it 3 goals in 13 this season I think, so just behind the 1 in 3, mathematically.0 -
Leko and Stockley up front, for me. Washington runs the channels very well and links the play but his instinct for goal is distinctly average.thenewbie said:
The game last night was Washington in a nutshell really. Fluffs a couple of easy chances but then his effort and energy get him what looks like a hopeful crack and he buries it. Detractors say he missed some easier chances (which he did, in fairness), fans of his point out the goal he did score. Both have merit.Croydon said:
Typical Washington fashion he misses two glorious chances before scoring a beauty.EveshamAddick said:
Aged well…Croydon said:Washington is not capable of 1 in 3 goals. His finishing is easily his worst attribute. Glad he's in the side, as we're better with him, but he ain't a goal scorer
Was the 1 in 3 his goal to chance ratio? 😅
That makes it 3 goals in 13 this season I think, so just behind the 1 in 3, mathematically.0 -
Aneke started zero games last season, Washington started 3 and came off after 5 minutes in one of them. So the answer is 2. 2 is not most.DOUCHER said:
how many games? most - and no, it wasn't all adkins fault - it was ged's as wellCafc43v3r said:
I don't mind being wrong, I do mind reinventing history.DOUCHER said:Cafc43v3r said:
Serious question was the system and tactics significantly different to the same ones we used in the last ten games last season?DOUCHER said:diplomatic by washington but a load of guff - it was the system and tactics that was killing the players -' the other stuff'
Were the systems and tactics used by Bowyer in the first 10 games (7 wins, 2 defeats and draw) that different in the next 26 games?
I would love to know what exactly changed/went wrong in both cases because for two so different people to end up with exactly the same outcome, via completely different routes, is, well, unique. On second thoughts maybe it isn't because Jose and OGS have both achieved the same thing.
Not that unusual at all 'Ged' - i don't remember stockley playing up front on his own last season thats for sure - he had either washington, maatsen or aneke up with him. I do remember loads of complaints when watson was plodding around under bowyer, pratley had zero creativity and morgan ballooned everything over and wide, when he was actually switched on rather than daydreaming - i also don't remember having 2 winger come forwards who didn't have to track back - they are now playing as wing backs - so under adkins this season, we seemed to combine the worst bits of the bowyer era to start with with no attacking intent / threat to then go the complete opposite and have a team of attackers / wingers / attacking midfielders with no defensive duties and a slow cdm - a balance was always required and jackson has found that and thats what good football managers do - it was beyond adkins clearly
How many games last seaosn, under Adkins, did Stockley start with Washington, Aneke or Maatsen in a two? 1 or 2?
Not sure why you would call me Ged when my stance, through out this, is Adkins had to got but I am convinced it's not all his fault. Hardly a stance Ged would take is it?0 -
Watching Washington's header that he put into the keeper's arms, I do feel for him a bit. The ball looked like it was dipping down for a volley before Stockley jumped at it and knocked it back up again, meaning Washington had to switch to a header quickly and snatched at it. I wonder how different that chance might have been if Stockley had just let the ball go over him as he was never getting anything meaningful on that header anyway.
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Just watched it back four times and I can't see that. It's just a poor touch. I'm not even sure what he was trying to accomplish with the attempt at a finish either. He just taps it to gently to the keeper's side when there's already a player back on the line. He should do a lot better in that situation, IMO.ElliotCAFC said:
To be fair he was pushed in the back just before he touched the ball and that gave the keeper a chance to smother it.Chunes said:I think tonight was the fourth or fifth one-on-one that Washington has fluffed this season. Good on him for getting the goal in the end but it's a woeful ratio.0 -
That's 1 in 4.33333thenewbie said:That makes it 3 goals in 13 this season I think, so just behind the 1 in 3, mathematically.
I think he's a solid 1 in 3 at this level , just when he goes through I'm never expecting a finish ... he looks better than he actually is , to me0 -
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Cafc43v3r said:
Aneke started zero games last season, Washington started 3 and came off after 5 minutes in one of them. So the answer is 2. 2 is not most.DOUCHER said:
how many games? most - and no, it wasn't all adkins fault - it was ged's as wellCafc43v3r said:
I don't mind being wrong, I do mind reinventing history.DOUCHER said:Cafc43v3r said:
Serious question was the system and tactics significantly different to the same ones we used in the last ten games last season?DOUCHER said:diplomatic by washington but a load of guff - it was the system and tactics that was killing the players -' the other stuff'
Were the systems and tactics used by Bowyer in the first 10 games (7 wins, 2 defeats and draw) that different in the next 26 games?
I would love to know what exactly changed/went wrong in both cases because for two so different people to end up with exactly the same outcome, via completely different routes, is, well, unique. On second thoughts maybe it isn't because Jose and OGS have both achieved the same thing.
Not that unusual at all 'Ged' - i don't remember stockley playing up front on his own last season thats for sure - he had either washington, maatsen or aneke up with him. I do remember loads of complaints when watson was plodding around under bowyer, pratley had zero creativity and morgan ballooned everything over and wide, when he was actually switched on rather than daydreaming - i also don't remember having 2 winger come forwards who didn't have to track back - they are now playing as wing backs - so under adkins this season, we seemed to combine the worst bits of the bowyer era to start with with no attacking intent / threat to then go the complete opposite and have a team of attackers / wingers / attacking midfielders with no defensive duties and a slow cdm - a balance was always required and jackson has found that and thats what good football managers do - it was beyond adkins clearly
How many games last seaosn, under Adkins, did Stockley start with Washington, Aneke or Maatsen in a two? 1 or 2?
Not sure why you would call me Ged when my stance, through out this, is Adkins had to got but I am convinced it's not all his fault. Hardly a stance Ged would take is it?You are correct, it's 2. Adkins almost exclusively started with a 4-3-3 last season, with two exceptions; the 3-5-2 against Accrington where Washington and Stockley started up front together and the 4-4-2 against Hull with the same. Weirdly, Washington was subbed for Aneke on 58 minutes in both of those games. Maatsen never once appeared in a front two, because that would be insane.Regarding your question about what was different to last season, the only major change is that Adkins almost exclusively went with both wingers inverted last season, and this year went with one on the left and a traditional winger on the right, which was slightly odd. He lined up with DJ on the left and Maatsen on the right a lot, and then Millar on the left as well. He did play DJ a bit on the right when Maatsen was injured but that was more due to lack of squad players he needed than choice. It's slightly odd that he didn't carry that on this season, but then I don't think he was provided with a single left footed winger this season. Plus it hardly completely changes the way we set up so it's not really a good excuse for him.1 -
But Washington running the channels is what makes the system work - and taking Leko out of his new "attacking wingback" position also weakens the system/team as a whole.wmcf123 said:
Leko and Stockley up front, for me. Washington runs the channels very well and links the play but his instinct for goal is distinctly average.thenewbie said:
The game last night was Washington in a nutshell really. Fluffs a couple of easy chances but then his effort and energy get him what looks like a hopeful crack and he buries it. Detractors say he missed some easier chances (which he did, in fairness), fans of his point out the goal he did score. Both have merit.Croydon said:
Typical Washington fashion he misses two glorious chances before scoring a beauty.EveshamAddick said:
Aged well…Croydon said:Washington is not capable of 1 in 3 goals. His finishing is easily his worst attribute. Glad he's in the side, as we're better with him, but he ain't a goal scorer
Was the 1 in 3 his goal to chance ratio? 😅
That makes it 3 goals in 13 this season I think, so just behind the 1 in 3, mathematically.
It's not about the "best" players it's about setting up the team to play its best. Washington up front is working and I wouldn't change that until its not working any more.4 -
IMO if we hadn't had Washington last night, we wouldn't have got the goal. He pulls their defence all over the place, without him I think we're a much worse teamwmcf123 said:
Leko and Stockley up front, for me. Washington runs the channels very well and links the play but his instinct for goal is distinctly average.thenewbie said:
The game last night was Washington in a nutshell really. Fluffs a couple of easy chances but then his effort and energy get him what looks like a hopeful crack and he buries it. Detractors say he missed some easier chances (which he did, in fairness), fans of his point out the goal he did score. Both have merit.Croydon said:
Typical Washington fashion he misses two glorious chances before scoring a beauty.EveshamAddick said:
Aged well…Croydon said:Washington is not capable of 1 in 3 goals. His finishing is easily his worst attribute. Glad he's in the side, as we're better with him, but he ain't a goal scorer
Was the 1 in 3 his goal to chance ratio? 😅
That makes it 3 goals in 13 this season I think, so just behind the 1 in 3, mathematically.8 -
WhoScored has him at 2.1 Shots per goalCroydon said:
Typical Washington fashion he misses two glorious chances before scoring a beauty.EveshamAddick said:
Aged well…Croydon said:Washington is not capable of 1 in 3 goals. His finishing is easily his worst attribute. Glad he's in the side, as we're better with him, but he ain't a goal scorer
Was the 1 in 3 his goal to chance ratio? 😅1 -
and maatsen started at least 3 and i think johnny williams played off him a few times and aneke partnered him in at least a couple so if didn't start (another mistake), came on for whoever came off, one of which was washington after 5 i guess so we're up to about 8 or 9 - dj can't shoot for toffee so he never got a shot at it yet was gonna be playing right sided forward at the start of the season - crap system for league 1, wrong players - experiment over, thankfully.Cafc43v3r said:
Aneke started zero games last season, Washington started 3 and came off after 5 minutes in one of them. So the answer is 2. 2 is not most.DOUCHER said:
how many games? most - and no, it wasn't all adkins fault - it was ged's as wellCafc43v3r said:
I don't mind being wrong, I do mind reinventing history.DOUCHER said:Cafc43v3r said:
Serious question was the system and tactics significantly different to the same ones we used in the last ten games last season?DOUCHER said:diplomatic by washington but a load of guff - it was the system and tactics that was killing the players -' the other stuff'
Were the systems and tactics used by Bowyer in the first 10 games (7 wins, 2 defeats and draw) that different in the next 26 games?
I would love to know what exactly changed/went wrong in both cases because for two so different people to end up with exactly the same outcome, via completely different routes, is, well, unique. On second thoughts maybe it isn't because Jose and OGS have both achieved the same thing.
Not that unusual at all 'Ged' - i don't remember stockley playing up front on his own last season thats for sure - he had either washington, maatsen or aneke up with him. I do remember loads of complaints when watson was plodding around under bowyer, pratley had zero creativity and morgan ballooned everything over and wide, when he was actually switched on rather than daydreaming - i also don't remember having 2 winger come forwards who didn't have to track back - they are now playing as wing backs - so under adkins this season, we seemed to combine the worst bits of the bowyer era to start with with no attacking intent / threat to then go the complete opposite and have a team of attackers / wingers / attacking midfielders with no defensive duties and a slow cdm - a balance was always required and jackson has found that and thats what good football managers do - it was beyond adkins clearly
How many games last seaosn, under Adkins, did Stockley start with Washington, Aneke or Maatsen in a two? 1 or 2?
Not sure why you would call me Ged when my stance, through out this, is Adkins had to got but I am convinced it's not all his fault. Hardly a stance Ged would take is it?0 -
thenewbie said:
The game last night was Washington in a nutshell really. Fluffs a couple of easy chances but then his effort and energy get him what looks like a hopeful crack and he buries it. Detractors say he missed some easier chances (which he did, in fairness), fans of his point out the goal he did score. Both have merit.Croydon said:
Typical Washington fashion he misses two glorious chances before scoring a beauty.EveshamAddick said:
Aged well…Croydon said:Washington is not capable of 1 in 3 goals. His finishing is easily his worst attribute. Glad he's in the side, as we're better with him, but he ain't a goal scorer
Was the 1 in 3 his goal to chance ratio? 😅
That makes it 3 goals in 13 this season I think, so just behind the 1 in 3, mathematically.
Washington was on great form just before his injury after two minutes in Adkins first game. He had won MOM in his previous two games and was looking sharp and had scored a few goals.
I'm never over confident that Conor will make the correct decision when he see the goal posts.
We are 3rd tier and Washington and Stockley are decent at this level.
BUT they are not Taylor and Grant and we will need a finisher to win the tight games because we can't rely on Jayden and Conor to get 3 great chances every match and convert one. You can have the debate until the cows come home but can Cafc create 8 clear cut chances every game and afford to miss six of them ? No against the better teams we won't. The problem is you pay big bucks for a goal scoring striker unless you play one of your own youngsters. Is Burstow or Kanu ready yet ? Probably not as Grant wasn't at 17 when he was thrown into the Championship.
Under Adkins on the first day of the season in that tight game against Sheff Wed, we did not have a shot on target at home yet Adkins was happy ? The alarm bells should have rang then for Thomas and Ged because to fill the stadium you win often and score goals and play on the front foot with a plan. Doing a tunnel jump after a 0-0 was on the agenda then. 25 clean sheets are only any good if you are scoring and winning 3 points.
When I was watching the 4-4 Rochdale match last season On Charlton TV Conor went around the keeper and hit the ball into the side netting. That is the last time I allowed Cafc to screw with my head and the coffee stains are nearly out the carpet now from my premature exhilaration.0 -
I agree, if we had a Taylor, Grant or Aneke then the Rotherham game would have been buried. We don't have a forward who can just score from a sniff of a chance, or create his own (consistently), let alone one that buries most attempts at goal. That's where I think our focus needs to be for next season.0
