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The Ashes 2021/22
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Agreed. Still one of the best openers we have though.Hartleypete said:Whoever the selectors are need shooting, Burns is so crap it’s untrue.0 -
To be fair to Burns, while his shot to get out wasn't great, Hameed's was even worse1
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Yeah, but Hameed looks like he can survive when he isn't doing stupid things. Burns looks like a walking wicket1
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But that in it's own way is even more frustrating. James Vince syndromeLeuth said:Yeah, but Hameed looks like he can survive when he isn't doing stupid things. Burns looks like a walking wicket0 -
England openers fail again .. no surprise, neither have good techniques nor (I suspect) the necessary 'grit' and concentration .. they have spent a long time fielding in hot conditions and then had to face top bowlers with the ball moving around .. but remember opener Ozzie Harris has hardly set the series alight so far
The Aussie innings was a case of the tail not just wagging the dog but bringing it to it's knees .. patient batting by the top order allowing 7 8 9 and 10 to come in and thrash a knackered attack all round the field, will we ever see an England team do the same ? .. unless it's perhaps against Scotland, Ireland or Bangladesh
Expect Australia to go two up sometime very soon0 -
an extremely poor shot - an opener should never be getting out caught mid off or mid on.killerandflash said:To be fair to Burns, while his shot to get out wasn't great, Hameed's was even worse1 -
I'd back myself to not get out to that Neser delivery, and i'm crap0
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England used to have a brilliant late middle order, but it makes a massive difference coming in with 380 on the board and knackered bowlers, instead of coming in at 180-7Lincsaddick said:England openers fail again .. no surprise, neither have good techniques nor (I suspect) the necessary 'grit' and concentration .. they have spent a long time fielding in hot conditions and then had to face top bowlers with the ball moving around .. but remember opener Ozzie Harris has hardly set the series alight so far
The Aussie innings was a case of the tail not just wagging the dog but bringing it to it's knees .. patient batting by the top order allowing 7 8 9 and 10 to come in and thrash a knackered attack all round the field, will we ever see an England team do the same ? .. unless it's perhaps against Scotland, Ireland or Bangladesh
Expect Australia to go two up sometime very soon0 -
But would you have crisply dismissed it through midwicket?Pelling1993 said:I'd back myself to not get out to that Neser delivery, and i'm crap
Not that Hameed managed to do that, mind1 -
I'd be aiming 12 rows back. Had a fairly crap season this year but hit a 6 in every innings bar 1 (last game) which I was delighted with. Don't think my teammates were pleased when I swaggered off for another 30 every weekLeuth said:
But would you have crisply dismissed it through midwicket?Pelling1993 said:I'd back myself to not get out to that Neser delivery, and i'm crap
Not that Hameed managed to do that, mind2 -
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It's not even a contest. I've stopped following it. Similar to Bangladesh or even Afghanistan touring England.0
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That's extremely harsh in my opinion. On Bangladesh and AfghanistanCloudworm said:It's not even a contest. I've stopped following it. Similar to Bangladesh or even Afghanistan touring England.1 -
Yeah cheating sneaky convicts, catching the ball, bastards!Addick Addict said:Think we've missed the major point about the Burns' dismissal. The Aussies took a catch in the slips.
In Burns's defense, figuratively speaking, he got an absolute jaffer and did well to get that much bat on it
He'll need a monster 2nd innings to keep his place cos his all around game has been pony, he can't catch or throw straight either.
Openers get out cheaply, that's an occupational hazard but he's costing us runs and wickets in the field all the time, there has to be an option.
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Crawley and Bairstow to open in MelbourneBilly_Mix said:
Yeah cheating sneaky convicts, catching the ball, bastards!Addick Addict said:Think we've missed the major point about the Burns' dismissal. The Aussies took a catch in the slips.
In Burns's defense, figuratively speaking, he got an absolute jaffer and did well to get that much bat on it
He'll need a monster 2nd innings to keep his place cos his all around game has been pony, he can't catch or throw straight either.
Openers get out cheaply, that's an occupational hazard but he's costing us runs and wickets in the field all the time, there has to be an option.1 -
Playing to the conditions - or doing one's job properly - alien concepts to the donkeys "leading" this tour.Addick Addict said:That yard further up the pitch that the Aussies are landing the bowl on is the difference between us and them. They are not worried about being driven for runs. They want us to do so.0 -
It was a good ball, but as Cook pointed out with the height it was bouncing it was going well over the stumps and could have been leftBilly_Mix said:
Yeah cheating sneaky convicts, catching the ball, bastards!Addick Addict said:Think we've missed the major point about the Burns' dismissal. The Aussies took a catch in the slips.
In Burns's defense, figuratively speaking, he got an absolute jaffer and did well to get that much bat on it
He'll need a monster 2nd innings to keep his place cos his all around game has been pony, he can't catch or throw straight either.
Openers get out cheaply, that's an occupational hazard but he's costing us runs and wickets in the field all the time, there has to be an option.1 -
That's kicking the can down the road and not addressing the issuesLincsaddick said:
Crawley and Bairstow to open in MelbourneBilly_Mix said:
Yeah cheating sneaky convicts, catching the ball, bastards!Addick Addict said:Think we've missed the major point about the Burns' dismissal. The Aussies took a catch in the slips.
In Burns's defense, figuratively speaking, he got an absolute jaffer and did well to get that much bat on it
He'll need a monster 2nd innings to keep his place cos his all around game has been pony, he can't catch or throw straight either.
Openers get out cheaply, that's an occupational hazard but he's costing us runs and wickets in the field all the time, there has to be an option.2 -
Interesting chat from Jim Maxwell this morning. Did we all know that the wicket dimensions were increased by an inch in height and width in the early 1930s? .. Bradman started his phenomenal career defending smaller sets of stumps
Maxwell was advocating increasing the size of contemporary wickets by an inch in height 'to bring lbw back into the game', especially on bouncy Australian wickets
Andy Zaltzman backed up his theory to a certain extent. The dismissal rate for bowled/lbw in Australia is around 28% (only SA has a lower rate); in England the rate is some 48%. Food for thought
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?? .. so can England import a new set of openers who will do a better job in Melbourne .. I just do not understand your comment .. are you addressing the issue of failing openers or what 'issue' are you talking about .. and what can needs kickingTodds_right_hook said:
That's kicking the can down the road and not addressing the issuesLincsaddick said:
Crawley and Bairstow to open in MelbourneBilly_Mix said:
Yeah cheating sneaky convicts, catching the ball, bastards!Addick Addict said:Think we've missed the major point about the Burns' dismissal. The Aussies took a catch in the slips.
In Burns's defense, figuratively speaking, he got an absolute jaffer and did well to get that much bat on it
He'll need a monster 2nd innings to keep his place cos his all around game has been pony, he can't catch or throw straight either.
Openers get out cheaply, that's an occupational hazard but he's costing us runs and wickets in the field all the time, there has to be an option.0 -
So depressingly predictable0
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There is absolutely no way Hameed should be dropped as his technique is fundamentally sound. He played that first over from Richardson as well as any batsman could have hoped to do. I'm convinced it's a concentration issue with him. Tickles down the leg side and getting caught at mid on are the sort of shots he needs to stop playing.Lincsaddick said:
?? .. so can England import a new set of openers who will do a better job in Melbourne .. I just do not understand your comment .. are you addressing the issue of failing openers or what 'issue' are you talking about .. and what can needs kickingTodds_right_hook said:
That's kicking the can down the road and not addressing the issuesLincsaddick said:
Crawley and Bairstow to open in MelbourneBilly_Mix said:
Yeah cheating sneaky convicts, catching the ball, bastards!Addick Addict said:Think we've missed the major point about the Burns' dismissal. The Aussies took a catch in the slips.
In Burns's defense, figuratively speaking, he got an absolute jaffer and did well to get that much bat on it
He'll need a monster 2nd innings to keep his place cos his all around game has been pony, he can't catch or throw straight either.
Openers get out cheaply, that's an occupational hazard but he's costing us runs and wickets in the field all the time, there has to be an option.
We have to remember that this is a lad whose confidence was so shot to pieces that he couldn't get a gig in the Lancs 2nd XI. He has come back from that but to drop him now would, effectively, end his career. And he is too good for that.
Burns, on the other hand, simply has too many moving parts which will get found out against the moving new ball.1 -
Trouble is that Burns doesn't get in the right position to leave the ball so finds himself forced to play it and as the bat also doesn't come down straight he gives himself no chance to play down the line.Billy_Mix said:
Yeah cheating sneaky convicts, catching the ball, bastards!Addick Addict said:Think we've missed the major point about the Burns' dismissal. The Aussies took a catch in the slips.
In Burns's defense, figuratively speaking, he got an absolute jaffer and did well to get that much bat on it
He'll need a monster 2nd innings to keep his place cos his all around game has been pony, he can't catch or throw straight either.
Openers get out cheaply, that's an occupational hazard but he's costing us runs and wickets in the field all the time, there has to be an option.1 -
Replacing the current opening pair with Crawley and bairstow will not change things. We will still be 2 down for not a lot of runs.Lincsaddick said:
?? .. so can England import a new set of openers who will do a better job in Melbourne .. I just do not understand your comment .. are you addressing the issue of failing openers or what 'issue' are you talking about .. and what can needs kickingTodds_right_hook said:
That's kicking the can down the road and not addressing the issuesLincsaddick said:
Crawley and Bairstow to open in MelbourneBilly_Mix said:
Yeah cheating sneaky convicts, catching the ball, bastards!Addick Addict said:Think we've missed the major point about the Burns' dismissal. The Aussies took a catch in the slips.
In Burns's defense, figuratively speaking, he got an absolute jaffer and did well to get that much bat on it
He'll need a monster 2nd innings to keep his place cos his all around game has been pony, he can't catch or throw straight either.
Openers get out cheaply, that's an occupational hazard but he's costing us runs and wickets in the field all the time, there has to be an option.Bairstow opening effectively means we go into an innings with one less review as this will be used and lost within the first 5 overs
Opening the batting is the hardest job in test cricket. Let's play a guy there who has struggled to cement his place in the lower middle order.1 -
Drop Burns
Buttler to open
Foakes to keep wicket
Got to be worth a try.0 -
why on earth would you ever have bairstow opening in test cricket?
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I agree with you about Bairstow but Crawley on these fast bouncy wickets might actually do OK and he probably deserves that chance if only because Burns simply has no game plan or the technique. As a coach at Kent put it to me, England wanted him to go away and work on his game in the County Championship on tracks that are no way near comparable to Test wickets. And that is also part of the issue.Todds_right_hook said:
Replacing the current opening pair with Crawley and bairstow will not change things. We will still be 2 down for not a lot of runs.Lincsaddick said:
?? .. so can England import a new set of openers who will do a better job in Melbourne .. I just do not understand your comment .. are you addressing the issue of failing openers or what 'issue' are you talking about .. and what can needs kickingTodds_right_hook said:
That's kicking the can down the road and not addressing the issuesLincsaddick said:
Crawley and Bairstow to open in MelbourneBilly_Mix said:
Yeah cheating sneaky convicts, catching the ball, bastards!Addick Addict said:Think we've missed the major point about the Burns' dismissal. The Aussies took a catch in the slips.
In Burns's defense, figuratively speaking, he got an absolute jaffer and did well to get that much bat on it
He'll need a monster 2nd innings to keep his place cos his all around game has been pony, he can't catch or throw straight either.
Openers get out cheaply, that's an occupational hazard but he's costing us runs and wickets in the field all the time, there has to be an option.Bairstow opening effectively means we go into an innings with one less review as this will be used and lost within the first 5 overs
Opening the batting is the hardest job in test cricket. Let's play a guy there who has struggled to cement his place in the lower middle order.
It is ironic though that we are so critical of our openers when Australia have someone who has someone doing the job who averages 22.15 from 21 innings and who has scored 121 runs in total in his last dozen innings. The fact that they are having to turn to someone with that record suggests that we aren't the only ones struggling to find openers. And if you were to ask the best batsmen on show namely Labushagne, Smith or Root to do so, you wouldn't have to be Einstein to work out what their response might be!1 -
Interesting stat I heard on Talksport earlier from Steve Harmison...
In 6 days of Ashes cricket...
No Balls: Eng 19, Aus 0
Dropped Catches: Eng 10, Aus 0
Wickets off No Balls: Eng 2, Aus 0
Its a huge gulf in class.
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I agree about Bairstow but Crawley is no better than Burns.Lincsaddick said:
Crawley and Bairstow to open in MelbourneBilly_Mix said:
Yeah cheating sneaky convicts, catching the ball, bastards!Addick Addict said:Think we've missed the major point about the Burns' dismissal. The Aussies took a catch in the slips.
In Burns's defense, figuratively speaking, he got an absolute jaffer and did well to get that much bat on it
He'll need a monster 2nd innings to keep his place cos his all around game has been pony, he can't catch or throw straight either.
Openers get out cheaply, that's an occupational hazard but he's costing us runs and wickets in the field all the time, there has to be an option.0 -
extremely simple things to put right.JohnBoyUK said:Interesting stat I heard on Talksport earlier from Steve Harmison...
In 6 days of Ashes cricket...
No Balls: Eng 19, Aus 0
Dropped Catches: Eng 10, Aus 0
Wickets off No Balls: Eng 2, Aus 0
Its a huge gulf in class.2 -
It comes down to one thing - a total lack of discipline. The discipline to ensure that you don't overstep in training let alone in a match and the discipline to practice, practice and then practice some more your fielding until it becomes second natureJohnBoyUK said:Interesting stat I heard on Talksport earlier from Steve Harmison...
In 6 days of Ashes cricket...
No Balls: Eng 19, Aus 0
Dropped Catches: Eng 10, Aus 0
Wickets off No Balls: Eng 2, Aus 0
Its a huge gulf in class.5
