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Albie Morgan - diagnosed with type 1 diabetes (p63)
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Good on Albie making his 100th appearance for the club. Youth player who has contributed well over the years and two assists as well. Should be proud of himself. Well done young man.7
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Perhaps he could've played more? This is 100% hindsight and disagreeing with my own views earlier in the season. But when you think about his quality from set pieces (which we completely lack when he's not on the pitch), and that he's 9th in the assists table having only played a bit part this season, you have to think how many he'd have if he'd started as many games at Gilbey .2
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Cafc43v3r said:Garrymanilow said:Albie's problem has always been that he doesn't know where to be. On paper he has the skillset of a central midfielder but he has absolutely no concept of how to flow with a game. He's creative and a brilliant, instinctive passer. He can set players away before defenders even have time to realise the game's kicked off, but he rarely does it from a dangerous position. He'll work to win the ball back and put tackles in and he clearly wants to succeed. The problem is he doesn't know how. We've tried him at CM in a two and a three and he's not sure where to be. We've tried him at 10 and he was nowhere. We've tried him deeper to dictate tempo and you'd swear he was in the stands sometimes. He just doesn't have an instinct for positioning, and evidently it's proving hard to coach him too. There's a reason playing in central midfield is so tough and a lot of that is because reading a game while you're in the middle of it and then taking control of it is bloody hard. If you look at his recent positioning charts I don't think he's consistently where he needs to be. He's rarely providing the right kind of defensive support in terms of shape, and charging in and winning a tackle here and there is a lot less good than knowing where to be in the first place so that that passing channel is never available. I'm not expecting him to be Xabi Alonso on that but we offer so many avenues to opposition teams through the middle. Albie isn't the only one guilty of this, and our well known issue in the channel between RWB and RCB would be punished a lot less if the midfield actually knew how to shut the door on it, but despite his assists and his work Albie will never consistently look good for 90 mins unless he can fix his knowledge of where to be and I don't think he has the ability to do that. The best he ever looks is as the wide midfielder in a flat midfield 4, because he knows he has to be wide when the opposition have the ball down his side, and narrow when it's on the other side. It's simpler and we've benefited from it in the past, but we can't and shouldn't change our whole way of playing just to accommodate Albie because he's not really good enough to merit it. Maybe the penny will drop one day and he'll become brilliant. I hope so.
There is a reason all but the most exceptional players follow very similar career paths.
1. 100 appearances at 22 - hard to argue that’s a lack of game time? We tried to get him more but no-one wanted him on loan
2. I don’t believe positioning is easy to teach - knowing where to be is a natural instinct, much like the instincts of a top class finisher. With age and experience you can hone your instincts but if it hardly existed in the first place…2 -
Problem is we are stuck with him .. can’t see a host of clubs lining up to sign him …. you can’t play him at home not creative enough the odd corner or free kick he gets right is not enough plus he can’t play in the same mid as Dobson can’t have two mid players who only pass sideways … you need someone at home who on the front foot look at the diff when Aneke replaced him in the number 10 role yesterday1
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Leuth said:Garrymanilow said:Albie's problem has always been that he doesn't know where to be. On paper he has the skillset of a central midfielder but he has absolutely no concept of how to flow with a game. He's creative and a brilliant, instinctive passer. He can set players away before defenders even have time to realise the game's kicked off, but he rarely does it from a dangerous position. He'll work to win the ball back and put tackles in and he clearly wants to succeed. The problem is he doesn't know how. We've tried him at CM in a two and a three and he's not sure where to be. We've tried him at 10 and he was nowhere. We've tried him deeper to dictate tempo and you'd swear he was in the stands sometimes. He just doesn't have an instinct for positioning, and evidently it's proving hard to coach him too. There's a reason playing in central midfield is so tough and a lot of that is because reading a game while you're in the middle of it and then taking control of it is bloody hard. If you look at his recent positioning charts I don't think he's consistently where he needs to be. He's rarely providing the right kind of defensive support in terms of shape, and charging in and winning a tackle here and there is a lot less good than knowing where to be in the first place so that that passing channel is never available. I'm not expecting him to be Xabi Alonso on that but we offer so many avenues to opposition teams through the middle. Albie isn't the only one guilty of this, and our well known issue in the channel between RWB and RCB would be punished a lot less if the midfield actually knew how to shut the door on it, but despite his assists and his work Albie will never consistently look good for 90 mins unless he can fix his knowledge of where to be and I don't think he has the ability to do that. The best he ever looks is as the wide midfielder in a flat midfield 4, because he knows he has to be wide when the opposition have the ball down his side, and narrow when it's on the other side. It's simpler and we've benefited from it in the past, but we can't and shouldn't change our whole way of playing just to accommodate Albie because he's not really good enough to merit it. Maybe the penny will drop one day and he'll become brilliant. I hope so.1
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paulfox said:Leuth said:Garrymanilow said:Albie's problem has always been that he doesn't know where to be. On paper he has the skillset of a central midfielder but he has absolutely no concept of how to flow with a game. He's creative and a brilliant, instinctive passer. He can set players away before defenders even have time to realise the game's kicked off, but he rarely does it from a dangerous position. He'll work to win the ball back and put tackles in and he clearly wants to succeed. The problem is he doesn't know how. We've tried him at CM in a two and a three and he's not sure where to be. We've tried him at 10 and he was nowhere. We've tried him deeper to dictate tempo and you'd swear he was in the stands sometimes. He just doesn't have an instinct for positioning, and evidently it's proving hard to coach him too. There's a reason playing in central midfield is so tough and a lot of that is because reading a game while you're in the middle of it and then taking control of it is bloody hard. If you look at his recent positioning charts I don't think he's consistently where he needs to be. He's rarely providing the right kind of defensive support in terms of shape, and charging in and winning a tackle here and there is a lot less good than knowing where to be in the first place so that that passing channel is never available. I'm not expecting him to be Xabi Alonso on that but we offer so many avenues to opposition teams through the middle. Albie isn't the only one guilty of this, and our well known issue in the channel between RWB and RCB would be punished a lot less if the midfield actually knew how to shut the door on it, but despite his assists and his work Albie will never consistently look good for 90 mins unless he can fix his knowledge of where to be and I don't think he has the ability to do that. The best he ever looks is as the wide midfielder in a flat midfield 4, because he knows he has to be wide when the opposition have the ball down his side, and narrow when it's on the other side. It's simpler and we've benefited from it in the past, but we can't and shouldn't change our whole way of playing just to accommodate Albie because he's not really good enough to merit it. Maybe the penny will drop one day and he'll become brilliant. I hope so.2
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ForeverAddickted said:paulfox said:Leuth said:Garrymanilow said:Albie's problem has always been that he doesn't know where to be. On paper he has the skillset of a central midfielder but he has absolutely no concept of how to flow with a game. He's creative and a brilliant, instinctive passer. He can set players away before defenders even have time to realise the game's kicked off, but he rarely does it from a dangerous position. He'll work to win the ball back and put tackles in and he clearly wants to succeed. The problem is he doesn't know how. We've tried him at CM in a two and a three and he's not sure where to be. We've tried him at 10 and he was nowhere. We've tried him deeper to dictate tempo and you'd swear he was in the stands sometimes. He just doesn't have an instinct for positioning, and evidently it's proving hard to coach him too. There's a reason playing in central midfield is so tough and a lot of that is because reading a game while you're in the middle of it and then taking control of it is bloody hard. If you look at his recent positioning charts I don't think he's consistently where he needs to be. He's rarely providing the right kind of defensive support in terms of shape, and charging in and winning a tackle here and there is a lot less good than knowing where to be in the first place so that that passing channel is never available. I'm not expecting him to be Xabi Alonso on that but we offer so many avenues to opposition teams through the middle. Albie isn't the only one guilty of this, and our well known issue in the channel between RWB and RCB would be punished a lot less if the midfield actually knew how to shut the door on it, but despite his assists and his work Albie will never consistently look good for 90 mins unless he can fix his knowledge of where to be and I don't think he has the ability to do that. The best he ever looks is as the wide midfielder in a flat midfield 4, because he knows he has to be wide when the opposition have the ball down his side, and narrow when it's on the other side. It's simpler and we've benefited from it in the past, but we can't and shouldn't change our whole way of playing just to accommodate Albie because he's not really good enough to merit it. Maybe the penny will drop one day and he'll become brilliant. I hope so.2
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paulfox said:ForeverAddickted said:paulfox said:Leuth said:Garrymanilow said:Albie's problem has always been that he doesn't know where to be. On paper he has the skillset of a central midfielder but he has absolutely no concept of how to flow with a game. He's creative and a brilliant, instinctive passer. He can set players away before defenders even have time to realise the game's kicked off, but he rarely does it from a dangerous position. He'll work to win the ball back and put tackles in and he clearly wants to succeed. The problem is he doesn't know how. We've tried him at CM in a two and a three and he's not sure where to be. We've tried him at 10 and he was nowhere. We've tried him deeper to dictate tempo and you'd swear he was in the stands sometimes. He just doesn't have an instinct for positioning, and evidently it's proving hard to coach him too. There's a reason playing in central midfield is so tough and a lot of that is because reading a game while you're in the middle of it and then taking control of it is bloody hard. If you look at his recent positioning charts I don't think he's consistently where he needs to be. He's rarely providing the right kind of defensive support in terms of shape, and charging in and winning a tackle here and there is a lot less good than knowing where to be in the first place so that that passing channel is never available. I'm not expecting him to be Xabi Alonso on that but we offer so many avenues to opposition teams through the middle. Albie isn't the only one guilty of this, and our well known issue in the channel between RWB and RCB would be punished a lot less if the midfield actually knew how to shut the door on it, but despite his assists and his work Albie will never consistently look good for 90 mins unless he can fix his knowledge of where to be and I don't think he has the ability to do that. The best he ever looks is as the wide midfielder in a flat midfield 4, because he knows he has to be wide when the opposition have the ball down his side, and narrow when it's on the other side. It's simpler and we've benefited from it in the past, but we can't and shouldn't change our whole way of playing just to accommodate Albie because he's not really good enough to merit it. Maybe the penny will drop one day and he'll become brilliant. I hope so.0
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ForeverAddickted said:paulfox said:ForeverAddickted said:paulfox said:Leuth said:Garrymanilow said:Albie's problem has always been that he doesn't know where to be. On paper he has the skillset of a central midfielder but he has absolutely no concept of how to flow with a game. He's creative and a brilliant, instinctive passer. He can set players away before defenders even have time to realise the game's kicked off, but he rarely does it from a dangerous position. He'll work to win the ball back and put tackles in and he clearly wants to succeed. The problem is he doesn't know how. We've tried him at CM in a two and a three and he's not sure where to be. We've tried him at 10 and he was nowhere. We've tried him deeper to dictate tempo and you'd swear he was in the stands sometimes. He just doesn't have an instinct for positioning, and evidently it's proving hard to coach him too. There's a reason playing in central midfield is so tough and a lot of that is because reading a game while you're in the middle of it and then taking control of it is bloody hard. If you look at his recent positioning charts I don't think he's consistently where he needs to be. He's rarely providing the right kind of defensive support in terms of shape, and charging in and winning a tackle here and there is a lot less good than knowing where to be in the first place so that that passing channel is never available. I'm not expecting him to be Xabi Alonso on that but we offer so many avenues to opposition teams through the middle. Albie isn't the only one guilty of this, and our well known issue in the channel between RWB and RCB would be punished a lot less if the midfield actually knew how to shut the door on it, but despite his assists and his work Albie will never consistently look good for 90 mins unless he can fix his knowledge of where to be and I don't think he has the ability to do that. The best he ever looks is as the wide midfielder in a flat midfield 4, because he knows he has to be wide when the opposition have the ball down his side, and narrow when it's on the other side. It's simpler and we've benefited from it in the past, but we can't and shouldn't change our whole way of playing just to accommodate Albie because he's not really good enough to merit it. Maybe the penny will drop one day and he'll become brilliant. I hope so.1
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How about Morgan is much closer to Mikel Alonso than Xabi Alonso?...1
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It's nuts the grief he gets on here. Academy product plays his 100th match for us, gets 2 assists. Hit 2 or 3 other corners that led to chances. 7 assists for the season. Created 39 chances this season. The most in the squad.
And he gets his very own thread dedicated to getting rid of him.12 -
Vincenzo said:It's nuts the grief he gets on here. Academy product plays his 100th match for us, gets 2 assists. Hit 2 or 3 other corners that led to chances. 7 assists for the season. Created 39 chances. The most in the squad.
And he gets his very own thread dedicated to getting rid of him.3 -
Vincenzo said:It's nuts the grief he gets on here. Academy product plays his 100th match for us, gets 2 assists. Hit 2 or 3 other corners that led to chances. 7 assists for the season. Created 39 chances this season. The most in the squad.
And he gets his very own thread dedicated to getting rid of him.The fact that he has the most assists with seven and the next best has four says more about the rest of the team than it does about Albie IMO.
Especially when you look at three of the seven and realise he is very fortunate to get credit.- Inniss vs Wimbledon should’ve been an own goal,
- CBT vs Cambridge should’ve been an own goal,
- Dobson vs Rotherham was a simple pass across the edge of the box rather than any kind of creative guile
Four other assists were decent crosses into the box from set pieces: three corners and one free kick. The scorers on those were Aneke, Stockley x2 and Famewo.6 -
Callumcafc said:Vincenzo said:It's nuts the grief he gets on here. Academy product plays his 100th match for us, gets 2 assists. Hit 2 or 3 other corners that led to chances. 7 assists for the season. Created 39 chances this season. The most in the squad.
And he gets his very own thread dedicated to getting rid of him.The fact that he has the most assists with seven and the next best has four says more about the rest of the team than it does about Albie IMO.
Especially when you look at three of the seven and realise he is very fortunate to get credit.- Inniss vs Wimbledon should’ve been an own goal,
- CBT vs Cambridge should’ve been an own goal,
- Dobson vs Rotherham was a simple pass across the edge of the box rather than any kind of creative guile
Four other assists were decent crosses into the box from set pieces: three corners and one free kick. The scorers on those were Aneke, Stockley x2 and Famewo.
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They were two good corners into the box yesterday afternoon, as well as a decent corner to the back stick for Famewo against AFC Wimbledon and a free kick from a deeper position against MK Dons right at the beginning of the season. All four set pieces.
The fact that none were from open play speaks volumes…2 -
Think it's fair to say that nobody divides opinion on here more than Albie !
Nice lad and he should be proud of his 100 appearances but for me as I have said previously when he is starting in our midfield I think it demonstrates how poor our choices are. Ok before I get shafted by the Albie pro gang yes he does hit a decent freekick/corner now and again but it isnt regular enough to make up for the rest of it1 -
Callumcafc said:They were two good corners into the box yesterday afternoon, as well as a decent corner to the back stick for Famewo against AFC Wimbledon and a free kick from a deeper position against MK Dons right at the beginning of the season. All four set pieces.
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Dazzler21 said:Callumcafc said:They were two good corners into the box yesterday afternoon, as well as a decent corner to the back stick for Famewo against AFC Wimbledon and a free kick from a deeper position against MK Dons right at the beginning of the season. All four set pieces.
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Henry Irving said:Garrymanilow said:Albie's problem has always been that he doesn't know where to be. On paper he has the skillset of a central midfielder but he has absolutely no concept of how to flow with a game. He's creative and a brilliant, instinctive passer. He can set players away before defenders even have time to realise the game's kicked off, but he rarely does it from a dangerous position. He'll work to win the ball back and put tackles in and he clearly wants to succeed. The problem is he doesn't know how. We've tried him at CM in a two and a three and he's not sure where to be. We've tried him at 10 and he was nowhere. We've tried him deeper to dictate tempo and you'd swear he was in the stands sometimes. He just doesn't have an instinct for positioning, and evidently it's proving hard to coach him too. There's a reason playing in central midfield is so tough and a lot of that is because reading a game while you're in the middle of it and then taking control of it is bloody hard. If you look at his recent positioning charts I don't think he's consistently where he needs to be. He's rarely providing the right kind of defensive support in terms of shape, and charging in and winning a tackle here and there is a lot less good than knowing where to be in the first place so that that passing channel is never available. I'm not expecting him to be Xabi Alonso on that but we offer so many avenues to opposition teams through the middle. Albie isn't the only one guilty of this, and our well known issue in the channel between RWB and RCB would be punished a lot less if the midfield actually knew how to shut the door on it, but despite his assists and his work Albie will never consistently look good for 90 mins unless he can fix his knowledge of where to be and I don't think he has the ability to do that. The best he ever looks is as the wide midfielder in a flat midfield 4, because he knows he has to be wide when the opposition have the ball down his side, and narrow when it's on the other side. It's simpler and we've benefited from it in the past, but we can't and shouldn't change our whole way of playing just to accommodate Albie because he's not really good enough to merit it. Maybe the penny will drop one day and he'll become brilliant. I hope so.
That he played in different positions, in different formations and under different managers alongside different team mates and then often as sub or only for a few games are all factors, IMHO, in why that is the case.
If only Sandgaard would spend money on a specialist one to one development coach!
Albie has been given a bum deal by recent managers IMO. Pushed from pillar to post throughout the season, then expected to fit in & excel ( and even be grateful !) by some of the faithful.
FFS ! A young man who, clearly to me, is somewhat of a perfectionist - who beats himself up when a pass he makes goes astray for example.
You only have to take a long look at his demeanour when he feels he's underperformed. Like me, he wears his heart on the sleeve of the red shirt.
He cares. And probably far too much for his own good but isn't that a positive when the same critics moan that we have too many players who don't give a damn ?
And his team mates care too. Just watch his assists yesterday, followed swiftly by the obvious joy in which his colleagues congratulate him for his part in the goals. They should know....
I think that Jacko believes in Albie & trust that the latest addition to the player management team will work with him to improve those aspects of his game that require honing. Isn't this his raison d'etre?
Give this earnest, hard working player the respect he deserves & you might find yourselves changing your opinion.
Pigs might fly, I hear you muttering...
...but they did at The Valley not too many moons ago !
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Callumcafc said:Cafc43v3r said:Garrymanilow said:Albie's problem has always been that he doesn't know where to be. On paper he has the skillset of a central midfielder but he has absolutely no concept of how to flow with a game. He's creative and a brilliant, instinctive passer. He can set players away before defenders even have time to realise the game's kicked off, but he rarely does it from a dangerous position. He'll work to win the ball back and put tackles in and he clearly wants to succeed. The problem is he doesn't know how. We've tried him at CM in a two and a three and he's not sure where to be. We've tried him at 10 and he was nowhere. We've tried him deeper to dictate tempo and you'd swear he was in the stands sometimes. He just doesn't have an instinct for positioning, and evidently it's proving hard to coach him too. There's a reason playing in central midfield is so tough and a lot of that is because reading a game while you're in the middle of it and then taking control of it is bloody hard. If you look at his recent positioning charts I don't think he's consistently where he needs to be. He's rarely providing the right kind of defensive support in terms of shape, and charging in and winning a tackle here and there is a lot less good than knowing where to be in the first place so that that passing channel is never available. I'm not expecting him to be Xabi Alonso on that but we offer so many avenues to opposition teams through the middle. Albie isn't the only one guilty of this, and our well known issue in the channel between RWB and RCB would be punished a lot less if the midfield actually knew how to shut the door on it, but despite his assists and his work Albie will never consistently look good for 90 mins unless he can fix his knowledge of where to be and I don't think he has the ability to do that. The best he ever looks is as the wide midfielder in a flat midfield 4, because he knows he has to be wide when the opposition have the ball down his side, and narrow when it's on the other side. It's simpler and we've benefited from it in the past, but we can't and shouldn't change our whole way of playing just to accommodate Albie because he's not really good enough to merit it. Maybe the penny will drop one day and he'll become brilliant. I hope so.
There is a reason all but the most exceptional players follow very similar career paths.
1. 100 appearances at 22 - hard to argue that’s a lack of game time? We tried to get him more but no-one wanted him on loan
2. I don’t believe positioning is easy to teach - knowing where to be is a natural instinct, much like the instincts of a top class finisher. With age and experience you can hone your instincts but if it hardly existed in the first place…
In the same time Connor Gallagher has played over 200 games, including those for Chelsea's u23s/U18s.
Albie pretty much missed his 18-23 youth career due to being on the fringes of the fist team. Without playing regularly.
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Cafc43v3r said:Callumcafc said:Cafc43v3r said:Garrymanilow said:Albie's problem has always been that he doesn't know where to be. On paper he has the skillset of a central midfielder but he has absolutely no concept of how to flow with a game. He's creative and a brilliant, instinctive passer. He can set players away before defenders even have time to realise the game's kicked off, but he rarely does it from a dangerous position. He'll work to win the ball back and put tackles in and he clearly wants to succeed. The problem is he doesn't know how. We've tried him at CM in a two and a three and he's not sure where to be. We've tried him at 10 and he was nowhere. We've tried him deeper to dictate tempo and you'd swear he was in the stands sometimes. He just doesn't have an instinct for positioning, and evidently it's proving hard to coach him too. There's a reason playing in central midfield is so tough and a lot of that is because reading a game while you're in the middle of it and then taking control of it is bloody hard. If you look at his recent positioning charts I don't think he's consistently where he needs to be. He's rarely providing the right kind of defensive support in terms of shape, and charging in and winning a tackle here and there is a lot less good than knowing where to be in the first place so that that passing channel is never available. I'm not expecting him to be Xabi Alonso on that but we offer so many avenues to opposition teams through the middle. Albie isn't the only one guilty of this, and our well known issue in the channel between RWB and RCB would be punished a lot less if the midfield actually knew how to shut the door on it, but despite his assists and his work Albie will never consistently look good for 90 mins unless he can fix his knowledge of where to be and I don't think he has the ability to do that. The best he ever looks is as the wide midfielder in a flat midfield 4, because he knows he has to be wide when the opposition have the ball down his side, and narrow when it's on the other side. It's simpler and we've benefited from it in the past, but we can't and shouldn't change our whole way of playing just to accommodate Albie because he's not really good enough to merit it. Maybe the penny will drop one day and he'll become brilliant. I hope so.
There is a reason all but the most exceptional players follow very similar career paths.
1. 100 appearances at 22 - hard to argue that’s a lack of game time? We tried to get him more but no-one wanted him on loan
2. I don’t believe positioning is easy to teach - knowing where to be is a natural instinct, much like the instincts of a top class finisher. With age and experience you can hone your instincts but if it hardly existed in the first place…
In the same time Connor Gallagher has played over 200 games, including those for Chelsea's u23s/U18s.
Albie pretty much missed his 18-23 youth career due to being on the fringes of the fist team. Without playing regularly.1 -
For Morgan to reach 100 appearances just hammers it home how shit we've been in recent years. Time to say thanks, but no thanks.8
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I think Morgan is a frustrating player as you can see something is there but he gets chance after chance and doesn't take them. Last season I bought a Papa Johns game by accident and decided to watch it, it was against a Premier League Youth side. In that game I saw Albie's game. It was a bloody good one and he waltzed through the match majestically. I think he scored as well. But against better opponents, or at least opponents better at stopping he just comes up short.
Yes his delivery was excellent for the two goals, but even that is a bit hit and miss. There is definitely a player in there but can we extract it? Seeing as we have him for another season I suspect, it is something our coaches should continue to work on, although we have to assume they won't succeed in terms of building a promotion squad and if they do it is a bonus.
Maybe it is the team to a certain extent. I want to see us winning more second balls than we do and we might need to become a bit fitter and more athletic. Maybe in that sort of side, Morgan would find it easier.0 -
It was unbelievable how many times the ball came to him and he absolutely leathered it to the other end of the pitch without even attempting to play it out from midfield.He along with gilbey are part of the problem of us playing dire football but yet we seem to have fans telling us how two set piece assists, means he is now the second coming of Xavi3
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000__Jaaaaay__000 said:It’s was unbelievable how many times the ball came to him and he absolutely leathered it to the other end of the pitch without even attempting to play it out from midfield.He along with gilbey are part of the problem of us playing dire football but yet we seem to have fans telling us how two set piece assists, means he is now the second coming of Xavi1
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Problem is would you see Albie getting into any team battling for top 6? I don't. We need to build a team to push on. Move on for me.5
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Opting for Gilbey and an out of form Elliot Lee on wasteful set pieces cost us quite a few points I would say.
To me that's a managerial decision.1 -
MuttleyCAFC said:. Last season I bought a Papa Johns game by accident1
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cafcsinger said:000__Jaaaaay__000 said:It’s was unbelievable how many times the ball came to him and he absolutely leathered it to the other end of the pitch without even attempting to play it out from midfield.He along with gilbey are part of the problem of us playing dire football but yet we seem to have fans telling us how two set piece assists, means he is now the second coming of Xavi
We have such a reactionary fanbase. He wouldn't get anywhere near any other midfield aiming for the top 2, so he shouldn't be anywhere near ours.2