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DubaiCAFC
DubaiCAFC Posts: 2,461
in General Charlton
As we are all discussing our recruitment needs improving... What do we know about the team? 
Thomas Sandgaard - money man
Martin Sandgaard - the black box man
Steve Gallen - the negotiator 
Ruben Sammut - player finder
Aaron Barnes - player finder (I believe) ex-player
Phil Chapple - is he still at the club?

Am I missing anyone? I know lots of scouts work on a freelance basis, and get paid a finders fee.. But it seems light to me? 
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  • cfgs
    cfgs Posts: 11,476
    Chappie left a few years back.
  • Swisdom
    Swisdom Posts: 14,977
    Bert Dawkins is the main academy scout I think
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,376
    edited May 2022
    Dan Pelchen built the original algorithm used by the black box. No mention of us on his LinkedIn so doesn’t appear to be a permanent appointment.

    https://www.linkedin.com/in/dan-pelchen-7b78a674

    https://www.cafc.co.uk/news/view/6139d07e655f0/in-depth-summer-transfer-window-2021

    There are a few other scouts and analysts if you searched LinkedIn, but of course profiles aren’t always kept up to date and not everyone has one.
  • DubaiCAFC
    DubaiCAFC Posts: 2,461
    cfgs said:
    Chappie left a few years back.

    Assumed that was the case.
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,376
    RodneyCharltonTrotta said:
    DubaiCAFC said:

    Steve Gallen - the negotiator 

    Coming to ITV this Autumn. James Nesbitt stars in this gritty cop drama.

    https://youtu.be/OjMQ4oWIfn4
  • CL_Phantom
    CL_Phantom Posts: 5,513
    edited May 2022

    Recruitment Commitee: A crack recruitment team, signing players in a questionable manner they survive by pretending to know their arses from their elbows... They are:

    Thomas Sandgaard - Money man, cheif scout, CEO, President, Vice President, Messiah:
    Making sure we dont deviate away from the type of player the club wants, age, playing style etc. Reads the scout reports and  watches the player videos as well.  
    "I’m going to focus a lot on the attacking midfielder.." 
    "I got into some very heated conversations with Nigel Adkins."
     
    Martin "discovered Scott Fraser" Sandgaard - Black Box Man, Director of analysis, Laptop guy:
    Martin uses data and statistics to pick out players, has a list for each position, so that we don’t waste time and can be focused on negotiating.  Managed about 80 people in production at Zynex. He is really good with data and building systems. Martin’s system is part of the recruitment process.

    Steve Gallen - The negotiator, Mr Contacts, Purveyor of Chelsea youth and broken palace players:
    Steve Gallen’s main skill is negotiating, and a combination of Steve and Martin is “amazing”.

    *Manager/Coach* - 
    Adkins, Johnnie, Lennon, Bonner, Warburton, Beale, Brighton U15´s coach -"has an input"




    Recruitment data team
    Brett Shaw
    Ruben Sammut - Data Analyst 
    Aaron Barnes - Data Analyst

    Scouting

  • Dave Rudd
    Dave Rudd Posts: 2,865
    edited May 2022
    Don't overlook the excellent work of the Sandgaard Advisory Committee ... a unique collection* of unnamed individuals (as many as one in number) who reinforce Sandgaard's opinion on critical occasions.

    * Might be Sandgaard and a mirror
  • thetomahawkkid
    thetomahawkkid Posts: 763
    So, do we have anyone who can actually be bothered to go and watch players rather than watch their highlight reel on YouTube?
  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 26,127
    we’re just waiting for Sandgaard junior to get the new Football Manager. 
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  • CL_Phantom
    CL_Phantom Posts: 5,513
    thetomahawkkid said:
    So, do we have anyone who can actually be bothered to go and watch players rather than watch their highlight reel on YouTube?

    Sandgaard did say (without actually naming anyone) that they get in the car and go and see them in person too. 

    "...TS said that Martin’s system is part of the recruitment process, but you still need to watch the videos and get into the car and see players physically...."
  • sammy391
    sammy391 Posts: 3,782
    Looks as if Pete shirtliff is a scout too 
  • SantaClaus
    SantaClaus Posts: 7,655
    edited May 2022
    Does Lee Amis still have some role in the scouting set up?
  • AFKABartram
    AFKABartram Posts: 57,825
    Thomas Sandgaard - entertainer
    Martin Sandgaard - Gareth
    Steve Gallen - Tim
    Keohane - Keith
    Jokat - Neil
    Ron Danger - Finchy 

  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    CL_Phantom said:
    thetomahawkkid said:
    So, do we have anyone who can actually be bothered to go and watch players rather than watch their highlight reel on YouTube?

    Sandgaard did say (without actually naming anyone) that they get in the car and go and see them in person too. 

    "...TS said that Martin’s system is part of the recruitment process, but you still need to watch the videos and get into the car and see players physically...."
    In the trust interview he said both Martin and Gallen are always scouting.
  • Dave Rudd
    Dave Rudd Posts: 2,865
    AFKABartram said:
    Thomas Sandgaard - entertainer
    Martin Sandgaard - Gareth
    Steve Gallen - Tim
    Keohane - Keith
    Jokat - Neil
    Ron Danger - Finchy 

    Don't be ridiculous ... it's nothing like that.

    You do realise that the whole thing is simply a parody and exaggerated for comic effect?

    'The Office' on the other hand was a wonderful TV sitcom.
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,376
    Accurate or someone who's misunderstood what TS has said?
  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,628
    Wouldn't surprise me. In Curbs' day he would often be out a couple of evenings a week watching games. Keith Peacock might go and watch some too. Haven't heard that Bows or Jacko have done anything similar. 
  • LargeAddick
    LargeAddick Posts: 32,561
    golfaddick said:
    Wouldn't surprise me. In Curbs' day he would often be out a couple of evenings a week watching games. Keith Peacock might go and watch some too. Haven't heard that Bows or Jacko have done anything similar. 
    Quote from TS did say both JJ and Gallen go out watching players.
  • vff
    vff Posts: 6,881
    Money Ball with Brad Pitt is one of my favourite sports movies. Data analysis is a good thing as part of recruiting players but should definitely not replace scouting & consideration of player character & personality and how they fit in the team. Curbs & Chris Powell were both very good at that. That is how an owner can get the best out of the budget. 
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  • LoOkOuT
    LoOkOuT Posts: 10,857
    CL_Phantom said:

    Recruitment Commitee: A crack recruitment team, signing players in a questionable manner they survive by pretending to know their arses from their elbows...

    CAFC Barakus: “I ain’t getting on no train! Fool”
  • Gary Poole
    Gary Poole Posts: 1,874
    A large part of scouting traditionally done by pretty much all clubs is not about watching potential players to recruit, but watching upcoming opposition to see how they play and strengths and weaknesses. I assume we still at least do this to not do would be negligent.
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    golfaddick said:
    Wouldn't surprise me. In Curbs' day he would often be out a couple of evenings a week watching games. Keith Peacock might go and watch some too. Haven't heard that Bows or Jacko have done anything similar. 
    When your in the Premier League you can often go and watch a game either Saturday or Sunday, maybe Monday night or even Friday.

    When would anyone involved in our first team be able to go and watch another league 1 or league 2 game?  Might be able to get in 4 or 5 a season?

    Not a lot of point in them going to watch Chelsea v Man City looking for players is there?

    When you look at the "summer of Powell" as the blue print of how to do it, you need to remember he had recently played with or against almost all of them, seen them first hand in the last six months and had previously been responsible for Leicester's opposition scouting reports.  Not only that he had 5 or 6 people supporting him.

    He had a much richer exposure to the right quality of players than any of his successors have had.  And much more support.
  • Athletico Charlton
    Athletico Charlton Posts: 14,275
    Cafc43v3r said:
    golfaddick said:
    Wouldn't surprise me. In Curbs' day he would often be out a couple of evenings a week watching games. Keith Peacock might go and watch some too. Haven't heard that Bows or Jacko have done anything similar. 
    When your in the Premier League you can often go and watch a game either Saturday or Sunday, maybe Monday night or even Friday.

    When would anyone involved in our first team be able to go and watch another league 1 or league 2 game?  Might be able to get in 4 or 5 a season?

    Not a lot of point in them going to watch Chelsea v Man City looking for players is there?

    When you look at the "summer of Powell" as the blue print of how to do it, you need to remember he had recently played with or against almost all of them, seen them first hand in the last six months and had previously been responsible for Leicester's opposition scouting reports.  Not only that he had 5 or 6 people supporting him.

    He had a much richer exposure to the right quality of players than any of his successors have had.  And much more support.
    And had been head of PFA players rep or something meaning he would have built an unbeatable level of contacts.  Was why appointing him at the time seemed a no brainer to me.
  • UEAAddick
    UEAAddick Posts: 512
    vff said:
    Money Ball with Brad Pitt is one of my favourite sports movies. Data analysis is a good thing as part of recruiting players but should definitely not replace scouting & consideration of player character & personality and how they fit in the team. Curbs & Chris Powell were both very good at that. That is how an owner can get the best out of the budget. 
    Also Baseball is a sport based heavily on individual stats and data, so works more in that sport, although there are plenty of people in not more so than those for heavy use of it that are against it.

    I don't think data analysis in such a complicated way we seem to be doing it should be seen as more important than traditional scouting and we should be selling Charlton as a club to incoming players. Sandgaard imo is trying to act like a Premier league club before earning the right, (the dumping of tickets mess trying to appeal out or our core areas another example for another thread)  In lower leagues it doesn't have to be so complicated and flash.
  • T_C_E
    T_C_E Posts: 16,420
    AFKABartram said:
    Thomas Sandgaard - entertainer
    Martin Sandgaard - Gareth
    Steve Gallen - Tim
    Keohane - Keith
    Jokat - Neil
    Ron Danger - Finchy 

    Burger boy being ridiculed again, absolutely disgraceful. 👍
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,376
    edited May 2022



  • Blackheathen
    Blackheathen Posts: 6,655
    Send some scouts downunder!

    The Phoenix were unable to find a way past Western shotstopper Jamie Young after conceding inside the first 10 minutes.
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/a-league/300588050/wellington-phoenix-denied-by-incredible-save-in-aleague-men-elimination-final?cid=app-iPad
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,766
    edited May 2022
    Very good save. Reminiscent of Seaman in the FA Cup semi final years ago…

    Jamie Young is unfortunately not that young at age 36.

    Spent the majority of his career bouncing around non-league before moving to Australia in 2014.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamie_Young
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    Scoham said:



    Tony Khan has at least 3 full time jobs I don't know how he actually does them all.  He did get a lot if stick when Fulham were in the Premier league because of his recruitment.  His American football team are struggling as well.

    All 3 cost his Dad a fortune in funding.

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