Charlton Athletic vs Pre-Season Friendlies | Preview & Match Threads (Welling p59, Swansea p67 )

swordfish said:

My optimism has been tempered a bit now because I wanted to see a proven striker brought in and integrated ready to start against Accrington, which seems unlikely to happen in time, if at all, now. 

Not having 2 of the 5 new signings ready to start isn't great either, but it seems our injury curse endures above all else. Still, the sun's out and the birds are singing. Hey Ho!

And we may be selling two more players this week.  The squad is seriously malnutritioned!

ForeverAddickted said:

SouthWest_Addicks said:

ForeverAddickted said:

supaclive said:

swordfish said:

My optimism has been tempered a bit now because I wanted to see a proven striker brought in and integrated ready to start against Accrington, which seems unlikely to happen in time, if at all, now. 

Not having 2 of the 5 new signings ready to start isn't great either, but it seems our injury curse endures above all else. Still, the sun's out and the birds are singing. Hey Ho!

And we may be selling two more players this week.  The squad is seriously malnutritioned!

Havent seen anything about us selling two players this week - Before the end of the window maybe

But then I'd expect others in before the end of the window still

Assume that JFC & JD Ponytail being mentioned about being sold.

Yeah but there is nothing to say they'll be leaving anytime in the very near future, doesnt sound like we've even had a concrete bid in for Forster-Caskey as yet.

If Cawley reports it, it'll happen.
Davison will be off, minimum.
Doesn't change we are woefully short of players to play the system Garner wants. 

If we are serious about promotion, a signing like Cole Stockton would be a real sign of intent. Also, at this level, I believe you need two strikers. Unless you have loads of goals elsewhere which we clearly haven't.

ForeverAddickted said:

supaclive said:

ForeverAddickted said:

SouthWest_Addicks said:

ForeverAddickted said:

supaclive said:

swordfish said:

My optimism has been tempered a bit now because I wanted to see a proven striker brought in and integrated ready to start against Accrington, which seems unlikely to happen in time, if at all, now. 

Not having 2 of the 5 new signings ready to start isn't great either, but it seems our injury curse endures above all else. Still, the sun's out and the birds are singing. Hey Ho!

And we may be selling two more players this week.  The squad is seriously malnutritioned!

Havent seen anything about us selling two players this week - Before the end of the window maybe

But then I'd expect others in before the end of the window still

Assume that JFC & JD Ponytail being mentioned about being sold.

Yeah but there is nothing to say they'll be leaving anytime in the very near future, doesnt sound like we've even had a concrete bid in for Forster-Caskey as yet.

If Cawley reports it, it'll happen.
Davison will be off, minimum.
Doesn't change we are woefully short of players to play the system Garner wants. 

All Cawley has done is report that we've had two bids for Davison and expect him to leave - What happens, if the clubs interested dont agree with our evaluation and go elsewhere?

Cawley isnt wrong, because he's reported what has happened, but things can still change - As it is, Id probably reward Leaburn over Davison with a place on the bench against Accrington anyway. So unless we suddenly get a ton of injuries at the start of the season, Davison not being involved doesnt really bother me. 

The only reason we got a new contract signed was to get a fee for him!  Otherwise we wouldn't entertain offers for a player we just signed on a new deal!

Sorry it doesn't fit your rhetoric but you don't sign a player on a new contract and say you will listen to bids unless you only ever wanted to get a fee.

Callumcafc said:

Let’s see how things pan out over the first 6 games of the season. We’re not done with recruitment.

There were some brighter moments through the second half where we upped the tempo and cut through their press.

We’ll be able to do it with more regularity the more they play together and the cooler the temperatures. It was clear watching the stream that we could play more quickly when we wanted to do so.

On tempo, an attacking possession style doesn’t mean playing at a high tempo throughout the entire 90 minutes. Think back to teams like MK Dons over the last couple of seasons. Patiently keeping the ball can at times be used as a way for the team to rest and tire out of the opposition. If gaps appears it’s a chance to up the tempo. At times we’ll want teams to press us in order to open up gaps.

I just hope we start well enough to show it’s worth sticking with. There were teams with far smaller budgets than us passing the ball much better than we did last season, it’s not a style that can’t be successful at this level.

Badger said:

Tuesday 19th July.
Crawley Town v Charlton Athletic U23 (7.30pm) at East Grinstead Town FC.

22/7 due to play Welling, Sparrows Lane I was told yesterday.  An evening kick off.

cabbles said:

MrOneLung said:

Pre season friendlies are just for getting fit. 

When was last time we had a ‘good’ pre season and how did we do that season ? 

Agree.  And to work out a preferred shape and learn the style of play the manager wants.  I wouldn’t read anything into this result as I would the Dartford and Col U games.  

I agree that the results don't matter, but the performances do, especially as the team is trying to play in a different way. Is the defensive shape right, are we creating chances, are we passing from the back or having to hoof etc

cabbles said:

paulfox said:

cabbles said:

MrOneLung said:

Pre season friendlies are just for getting fit. 

When was last time we had a ‘good’ pre season and how did we do that season ? 

Agree.  And to work out a preferred shape and learn the style of play the manager wants.  I wouldn’t read anything into this result as I would the Dartford and Col U games.  

The times we’ve had a really impressive pre season and then been shit once the season starts and vice versa , I’ve learned not to make judgement until I see the team at full intensity in the first game and probably a couple of games more, both teams are then playing for points and we get a real reading of our level against the teams we could be fighting hopefully for promotion. 

I’m definitely going to try and give the team a chance to show what they can do and start to form more of an opinion after 10 games.  On paper I don’t think we look strong enough, but let’s see.  

Couldn’t agree more Cabbles….this is where I am at too

I'm assuming Swindon & Gillingham have made offers for Davison Ponytail.
If you've got 2 potential buyers it make sense to hold out for a higher bid for at least another week.

We may be playing our cards close to our chest in order not to be ripped off in the transfer market but I simply cannot believe that TS/MS (who admittedly know eff all about football) and Gallen/Garner (who I cling to the faint hope know rather more than eff all about football) can between them think that our current four strikers constitute a promotion worthy attack. Stockley to me is vastly overrated (controversial!) and unsuited to the style we purport to play. Aneke is fine as an impact sub when he is fit but cannot be relied on. Leaburn shows a lot of promise but should be finding his feet in the Pizza Freight Silly Buggers Cup and Davison-Ponytail is hopeless at this level. We need at least two proven strikers of the right sort (not six foot six sledgehammers) and those will cost. Maybe all will, as they say, be revealed. But I’m not holding my breath. 

killerandflash said:

soapboxsam said:

Can Steven Sessegnon overlap on the left in an attacking position ? If the answer is No then no point in playing Charlie Kirk as he will just turn in on his favoured right foot which any coach can inform his players to stop.
CBT has to get the gig on the left unless we are getting the attacking LB with some pace to get up and down and cross the ball from an advanced player with his Left foot.

No comment on today as didn't watch and just read this thread but the number 3 position has been an ongoing issue for a year and needs to be addressed.  

Which is what I noted during the game, as in the first half we had little width down the left as Sessegnon also likes to cut inside, and is more comfortable on his right foot

Clayden came on at half time, and it's no coincidence that Kirk looked more dangerous as the defenders also had to cover the player on the outside

I think it was your post that promoted my response so cheers for the information on Steven Sessegnon. 

Two examples of having 3 forwards who can cover all positions up front successfully are Liverpool who with originally Mane, Salah and Firmino; now mainly Jota or Dias who just kept changing positions. 

There must be examples of 3 working in League 1with forwards who can all score and make assists ?

The England team with 3 forwards Play a slightly different version with winger/Strikers in Mead and Hemp changing sides every 10 minutes or so and White or her Sub Russo taking the central position.

Ok this is elite sides in the men's and woman's football and all of the players mentioned are goal scorers whether they pick up the ball wide or go central so they always have two in or around the area plus the attacking midfielder.

Kirk/Stockley/CBT won't work.
CBT/Aneke/DJ won't work

supaclive said:

swordfish said:

My optimism has been tempered a bit now because I wanted to see a proven striker brought in and integrated ready to start against Accrington, which seems unlikely to happen in time, if at all, now. 

Not having 2 of the 5 new signings ready to start isn't great either, but it seems our injury curse endures above all else. Still, the sun's out and the birds are singing. Hey Ho!

And we may be selling two more players this week.  The squad is seriously malnutritioned!

We can look forward to bottom feeding by Xmas then! 😎 (sorry, couldn't resist a 🐟 pun with innuendo).

Our expectations should be top end, but as they're not, even the bookies unimpressed,  my hope is that we'll outperform with what's available where we underperformed last term.

After all, we start level with the rest and who knows what state of readiness we'll find others in early on, although I accept that we need to get some reinforcements in soon,  whether they be perms or loans.