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NFT's can also be attached to physical items and services, which is where I believe they have an attractive future.
This particular NFT is clearly in digital form as an investment vehicle and looks on the face of it to be of a very dubious nature, which is why there is a clear need for those being targeted (Charlton Fans) to be protected from getting involved. Unless of course, they have a clear understanding of what they are investing in. I can't imagine there will be many who do invest if any.1 -
shine166 said:Henry Irving said:Everyone isn't "losing their shit"
Not everyone is demanding a meeting. Only one organisation is.
Some fans think it is all fine, others have serious doubts.
Some doubt the whole current NFT model, some just doubt this particular sponsor, some doubt both.
The key difference in the example you give, for me at least, is you have bought a shirt that you can wear, frame or otherwise enjoy it for 10 years.
No one is telling you it's an investment when you buy it. You're buying a shirt. A tangible object.
You can then sell the shirt if you wish or you can donate it to the museum.
If you buy an NFT of a shirt you don't have a tangible object to enjoy other than as a digital image.
It may or may not increase in value but you're not comparing similar commodities.
One has a function, the other is only and is described by its creators only as, an investment.
And that investment is in an unregulated, fraud riddled market and from a "firm" with hidden ownership which is six months old and whose owner appears on a video in dark glasses, a mask and a hoodie.
£20 for old school physical pics and £500 for an NFT5 -
For me it’s more the way that football is going, with there slowly being a crackdown on gambling advertising in football, which I think is a good thing. But all that good work will be wasted if it’s just gambling out and crypto/NFTs replacing it which appears to be the way it’s going with even the FA looking to get involved in their own NFTs. I have no idea if this robot dao is a good project or not, but there will be plenty of examples where projects are not and fans think if a football club is involved it legitimises it and makes it a safer investment. An example would be the fan tokens that plenty of big clubs have attached themselves too that fans bought and have tanked in value since launching and I have read numerous articles on The Athletic about NFT projects that footballers/clubs have advertised and encouraged fans to invest in that have then tanked in value. I think we are just beginning though, soon most teams will have crypto/NFT sponsors or partners (or owners as we see already at Crawley). It’s just a shame we are one of those, it doesn’t feel very “Charlton” but neither does £32 a ticket in the north upper on a matchday, it’s just another sign that TS doesn’t really get it but I suppose we will have to get used to it
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NabySarr said:For me it’s more the way that football is going, with there slowly being a crackdown on gambling advertising in football, which I think is a good thing. But all that good work will be wasted if it’s just gambling out and crypto/NFTs replacing it which appears to be the way it’s going with even the FA looking to get involved in their own NFTs. I have no idea if this robot dao is a good project or not, but there will be plenty of examples where projects are not and fans think if a football club is involved it legitimises it and makes it a safer investment. An example would be the fan tokens that plenty of big clubs have attached themselves too that fans bought and have tanked in value since launching and I have read numerous articles on The Athletic about NFT projects that footballers/clubs have advertised and encouraged fans to invest in that have then tanked in value. I think we are just beginning though, soon most teams will have crypto/NFT sponsors or partners (or owners as we see already at Crawley). It’s just a shame we are one of those, it doesn’t feel very “Charlton” but neither does £32 a ticket in the north upper on a matchday, it’s just another sign that TS doesn’t really get it but I suppose we will have to get used to it
There are good, potential, uses of NFTs but a lot of the current ones aren't cost/benefit effective at the moment.1 -
Henry Irving said:Everyone isn't "losing their shit"
Not everyone is demanding a meeting. Only one organisation is.
Some fans think it is all fine, others have serious doubts.
Some doubt the whole current NFT model, some just doubt this particular sponsor, some doubt both.
The key difference in the example you give, for me at least, is you have bought a shirt that you can wear, frame or otherwise enjoy it for 10 years.
No one is telling you it's an investment when you buy it. You're buying a shirt. A tangible object.
You can then sell the shirt if you wish or you can donate it to the museum.
If you buy an NFT of a shirt you don't have a tangible object to enjoy other than as a digital image.
It may or may not increase in value but you're not comparing similar commodities.
One has a function, the other is only and is described by its creators only as, an investment.
And that investment is in an unregulated, fraud riddled market and from a "firm" with hidden ownership which is six months old and whose owner appears on a video in dark glasses, a mask and a hoodie.1 -
stop_shouting said:Henry Irving said:Everyone isn't "losing their shit"
Not everyone is demanding a meeting. Only one organisation is.
Some fans think it is all fine, others have serious doubts.
Some doubt the whole current NFT model, some just doubt this particular sponsor, some doubt both.
The key difference in the example you give, for me at least, is you have bought a shirt that you can wear, frame or otherwise enjoy it for 10 years.
No one is telling you it's an investment when you buy it. You're buying a shirt. A tangible object.
You can then sell the shirt if you wish or you can donate it to the museum.
If you buy an NFT of a shirt you don't have a tangible object to enjoy other than as a digital image.
It may or may not increase in value but you're not comparing similar commodities.
One has a function, the other is only and is described by its creators only as, an investment.
And that investment is in an unregulated, fraud riddled market and from a "firm" with hidden ownership which is six months old and whose owner appears on a video in dark glasses, a mask and a hoodie.
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SELR_addicks said:stop_shouting said:Henry Irving said:Everyone isn't "losing their shit"
Not everyone is demanding a meeting. Only one organisation is.
Some fans think it is all fine, others have serious doubts.
Some doubt the whole current NFT model, some just doubt this particular sponsor, some doubt both.
The key difference in the example you give, for me at least, is you have bought a shirt that you can wear, frame or otherwise enjoy it for 10 years.
No one is telling you it's an investment when you buy it. You're buying a shirt. A tangible object.
You can then sell the shirt if you wish or you can donate it to the museum.
If you buy an NFT of a shirt you don't have a tangible object to enjoy other than as a digital image.
It may or may not increase in value but you're not comparing similar commodities.
One has a function, the other is only and is described by its creators only as, an investment.
And that investment is in an unregulated, fraud riddled market and from a "firm" with hidden ownership which is six months old and whose owner appears on a video in dark glasses, a mask and a hoodie.0 -
stop_shouting said:Henry Irving said:Everyone isn't "losing their shit"
Not everyone is demanding a meeting. Only one organisation is.
Some fans think it is all fine, others have serious doubts.
Some doubt the whole current NFT model, some just doubt this particular sponsor, some doubt both.
The key difference in the example you give, for me at least, is you have bought a shirt that you can wear, frame or otherwise enjoy it for 10 years.
No one is telling you it's an investment when you buy it. You're buying a shirt. A tangible object.
You can then sell the shirt if you wish or you can donate it to the museum.
If you buy an NFT of a shirt you don't have a tangible object to enjoy other than as a digital image.
It may or may not increase in value but you're not comparing similar commodities.
One has a function, the other is only and is described by its creators only as, an investment.
And that investment is in an unregulated, fraud riddled market and from a "firm" with hidden ownership which is six months old and whose owner appears on a video in dark glasses, a mask and a hoodie.5 -
Cafc43v3r said:stop_shouting said:Henry Irving said:Everyone isn't "losing their shit"
Not everyone is demanding a meeting. Only one organisation is.
Some fans think it is all fine, others have serious doubts.
Some doubt the whole current NFT model, some just doubt this particular sponsor, some doubt both.
The key difference in the example you give, for me at least, is you have bought a shirt that you can wear, frame or otherwise enjoy it for 10 years.
No one is telling you it's an investment when you buy it. You're buying a shirt. A tangible object.
You can then sell the shirt if you wish or you can donate it to the museum.
If you buy an NFT of a shirt you don't have a tangible object to enjoy other than as a digital image.
It may or may not increase in value but you're not comparing similar commodities.
One has a function, the other is only and is described by its creators only as, an investment.
And that investment is in an unregulated, fraud riddled market and from a "firm" with hidden ownership which is six months old and whose owner appears on a video in dark glasses, a mask and a hoodie.0 -
stop_shouting said:Cafc43v3r said:stop_shouting said:Henry Irving said:Everyone isn't "losing their shit"
Not everyone is demanding a meeting. Only one organisation is.
Some fans think it is all fine, others have serious doubts.
Some doubt the whole current NFT model, some just doubt this particular sponsor, some doubt both.
The key difference in the example you give, for me at least, is you have bought a shirt that you can wear, frame or otherwise enjoy it for 10 years.
No one is telling you it's an investment when you buy it. You're buying a shirt. A tangible object.
You can then sell the shirt if you wish or you can donate it to the museum.
If you buy an NFT of a shirt you don't have a tangible object to enjoy other than as a digital image.
It may or may not increase in value but you're not comparing similar commodities.
One has a function, the other is only and is described by its creators only as, an investment.
And that investment is in an unregulated, fraud riddled market and from a "firm" with hidden ownership which is six months old and whose owner appears on a video in dark glasses, a mask and a hoodie.1 - Sponsored links:
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SELR_addicks said:stop_shouting said:Henry Irving said:Everyone isn't "losing their shit"
Not everyone is demanding a meeting. Only one organisation is.
Some fans think it is all fine, others have serious doubts.
Some doubt the whole current NFT model, some just doubt this particular sponsor, some doubt both.
The key difference in the example you give, for me at least, is you have bought a shirt that you can wear, frame or otherwise enjoy it for 10 years.
No one is telling you it's an investment when you buy it. You're buying a shirt. A tangible object.
You can then sell the shirt if you wish or you can donate it to the museum.
If you buy an NFT of a shirt you don't have a tangible object to enjoy other than as a digital image.
It may or may not increase in value but you're not comparing similar commodities.
One has a function, the other is only and is described by its creators only as, an investment.
And that investment is in an unregulated, fraud riddled market and from a "firm" with hidden ownership which is six months old and whose owner appears on a video in dark glasses, a mask and a hoodie.0 -
NFT's or crypto are not for me. Bricks and mortar is the only thing I would invest in.
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stop_shouting said:Henry Irving said:Everyone isn't "losing their shit"
Not everyone is demanding a meeting. Only one organisation is.
Some fans think it is all fine, others have serious doubts.
Some doubt the whole current NFT model, some just doubt this particular sponsor, some doubt both.
The key difference in the example you give, for me at least, is you have bought a shirt that you can wear, frame or otherwise enjoy it for 10 years.
No one is telling you it's an investment when you buy it. You're buying a shirt. A tangible object.
You can then sell the shirt if you wish or you can donate it to the museum.
If you buy an NFT of a shirt you don't have a tangible object to enjoy other than as a digital image.
It may or may not increase in value but you're not comparing similar commodities.
One has a function, the other is only and is described by its creators only as, an investment.
And that investment is in an unregulated, fraud riddled market and from a "firm" with hidden ownership which is six months old and whose owner appears on a video in dark glasses, a mask and a hoodie.
Textbooks are an useful commodity, they have a function.
You buy them to aid your studies NOT as an investment.
And they MAY in the future be sold in an NFT format but they still have functionality.
And if it happens (it hasn't yet) they will be sold by publishers just as they sold paper books, then Ebooks.
Just as we could consume music as sheet music, shellac, vinyl, 8 tracks, cassette, CDs MP3 and digital.
The format changed not the commodity you were buying.
But Generous Robots has no functionality. It is purely sold as an investment. An unregulated investment with a new, opaque "organisation".
As said, there could be a lot of useful uses of NFTs in the future. Books might be one, concert/sports tickets another.
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This is the future……I just bought 20k of these. Don’t @ me ✊🏻1
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red10 said:NFT's or crypto are not for me. Bricks and mortar is the only thing I would invest in.0
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I haven’t been this confused since an 11 year old son of a friend of mine tried to explain that he needed to visit Blackpool pier because rumour had it that Pokémon were spawning on there.7
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I had a look on their website earlier. Horrific. OK, so a website isn't the be all and end all, but it looked shit.
Also had a look at the comments under the video. Loads of people going on about "being onboard", showing "loyalty" and what a "great community" they had going in their discord server (presumably once they'd all stopped playing CoD for 5 minutes).
All sounded very evangelical. All about believing and trusting and waiting for the "bullrun" , etc.
But not a word about what you would actually be "investing" in, other than the "scheme" itself.
I'm open to new ideas, but if nobody can tell you what youre "investing" in they why on earth would you give them any dough?15 -
The view of Bexleyheath's only famous resident
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SuedeAdidas said:This is the future……I just bought 20k of these. Don’t @ me ✊🏻Being a true passionate fan is physiological, it has nothing to do with how many games you attend or where you are in the world. It's what unites us as a collective. Now we’ve got the data to prove it.Chintan PatelChief Technology Officer of Cisco UK & Ireland
Who are these processions of corporate nauses who think they can talk as an authority on such matters as football passion?
Wouldn't know authentic football passion if it walked up to him.
All about rinsing as much dosh out of our local football institutions by globally marketing them and pretending watching a stream in a replica shirt on the other side of the world is equivalent to season ticket attendees from Moss Side.
They'll never get it in the same way as a club that's in your blood.6 -
@SELR_addicks
Re NFT textbooks, it was nagging at me all night so I gave up waiting for an explanation from the cultists and found this reasonable article - it sort of makes sense, especially the bit about the difference with e-books.https://bookriot.com/nfts-for-books/amp/
None of it has any relevance to Russian Tim and his…whatever it is…though1 - Sponsored links:
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All the talk earlier in the thread of blockchain / NFT’s being used for ticketing in the future - if you went to Wembley on Sunday or last summer, you’ve already seen the future.
https://www.secutix.com/articles/uefa-euro-2020-role-mobile-blockchain-ticketing
Personally i prefer a paper ticket….
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Henry Irving said:The view of Bexleyheath's only famous resident
but I don't think that paying to 'own' the supposedly 'digital original' of that image is that much worse than all those other things I mentioned.
I think (I could be wrong) people like to have that sort of thing for bragging rights, which is an impulse not be underestimated.
So back to the point of whether we should be morally comfortable with Generous Robots being the sponsors on the back of the shorts of our players: to be honest, I still can't work out what Generous Robots sell, and I would not invest in them, but as things stand (for the club and the world), I would rather we concentrated our lobbying efforts on giving the crossbar challengers two attempts 😉2 -
Chris_from_Sidcup said:I honestly don't get why everyone is losing their shit over this, wanting meetings with the club and saying we should get rid of this sponsor.
Say for example i buy a signed Miles Leaburn shirt online for 100 quid. If he goes on to have a great career there's a chance in a few years the shirt might be worth a bit more. If he ends up playing in non league in a few years then i've probably lost 100 quid.
Now say i buy an NFT of his header on Saturday for 100 quid. In a few years it might be worth something, but equally there's a strong chance it won't be.
So what's the difference and why is everyone up in arms about being scammed? Any investment is a risk, you might make money, you might lose money. So what's the issue and what am i missing?1 -
Henry Irving said:stop_shouting said:Henry Irving said:Everyone isn't "losing their shit"
Not everyone is demanding a meeting. Only one organisation is.
Some fans think it is all fine, others have serious doubts.
Some doubt the whole current NFT model, some just doubt this particular sponsor, some doubt both.
The key difference in the example you give, for me at least, is you have bought a shirt that you can wear, frame or otherwise enjoy it for 10 years.
No one is telling you it's an investment when you buy it. You're buying a shirt. A tangible object.
You can then sell the shirt if you wish or you can donate it to the museum.
If you buy an NFT of a shirt you don't have a tangible object to enjoy other than as a digital image.
It may or may not increase in value but you're not comparing similar commodities.
One has a function, the other is only and is described by its creators only as, an investment.
And that investment is in an unregulated, fraud riddled market and from a "firm" with hidden ownership which is six months old and whose owner appears on a video in dark glasses, a mask and a hoodie.
Textbooks are an useful commodity, they have a function.
You buy them to aid your studies NOT as an investment.
And they MAY in the future be sold in an NFT format but they still have functionality.
And if it happens (it hasn't yet) they will be sold by publishers just as they sold paper books, then Ebooks.
Just as we could consume music as sheet music, shellac, vinyl, 8 tracks, cassette, CDs MP3 and digital.
The format changed not the commodity you were buying.
But Generous Robots has no functionality. It is purely sold as an investment. An unregulated investment with a new, opaque "organisation".
As said, there could be a lot of useful uses of NFTs in the future. Books might be one, concert/sports tickets another.0 -
PragueAddick said:@SELR_addicks
Re NFT textbooks, it was nagging at me all night so I gave up waiting for an explanation from the cultists and found this reasonable article - it sort of makes sense, especially the bit about the difference with e-books.https://bookriot.com/nfts-for-books/amp/
None of it has any relevance to Russian Tim and his…whatever it is…though0 -
stop_shouting said:Henry Irving said:stop_shouting said:Henry Irving said:Everyone isn't "losing their shit"
Not everyone is demanding a meeting. Only one organisation is.
Some fans think it is all fine, others have serious doubts.
Some doubt the whole current NFT model, some just doubt this particular sponsor, some doubt both.
The key difference in the example you give, for me at least, is you have bought a shirt that you can wear, frame or otherwise enjoy it for 10 years.
No one is telling you it's an investment when you buy it. You're buying a shirt. A tangible object.
You can then sell the shirt if you wish or you can donate it to the museum.
If you buy an NFT of a shirt you don't have a tangible object to enjoy other than as a digital image.
It may or may not increase in value but you're not comparing similar commodities.
One has a function, the other is only and is described by its creators only as, an investment.
And that investment is in an unregulated, fraud riddled market and from a "firm" with hidden ownership which is six months old and whose owner appears on a video in dark glasses, a mask and a hoodie.
Textbooks are an useful commodity, they have a function.
You buy them to aid your studies NOT as an investment.
And they MAY in the future be sold in an NFT format but they still have functionality.
And if it happens (it hasn't yet) they will be sold by publishers just as they sold paper books, then Ebooks.
Just as we could consume music as sheet music, shellac, vinyl, 8 tracks, cassette, CDs MP3 and digital.
The format changed not the commodity you were buying.
But Generous Robots has no functionality. It is purely sold as an investment. An unregulated investment with a new, opaque "organisation".
As said, there could be a lot of useful uses of NFTs in the future. Books might be one, concert/sports tickets another.1 -
Henry Irving said:stop_shouting said:Henry Irving said:stop_shouting said:Henry Irving said:Everyone isn't "losing their shit"
Not everyone is demanding a meeting. Only one organisation is.
Some fans think it is all fine, others have serious doubts.
Some doubt the whole current NFT model, some just doubt this particular sponsor, some doubt both.
The key difference in the example you give, for me at least, is you have bought a shirt that you can wear, frame or otherwise enjoy it for 10 years.
No one is telling you it's an investment when you buy it. You're buying a shirt. A tangible object.
You can then sell the shirt if you wish or you can donate it to the museum.
If you buy an NFT of a shirt you don't have a tangible object to enjoy other than as a digital image.
It may or may not increase in value but you're not comparing similar commodities.
One has a function, the other is only and is described by its creators only as, an investment.
And that investment is in an unregulated, fraud riddled market and from a "firm" with hidden ownership which is six months old and whose owner appears on a video in dark glasses, a mask and a hoodie.
Textbooks are an useful commodity, they have a function.
You buy them to aid your studies NOT as an investment.
And they MAY in the future be sold in an NFT format but they still have functionality.
And if it happens (it hasn't yet) they will be sold by publishers just as they sold paper books, then Ebooks.
Just as we could consume music as sheet music, shellac, vinyl, 8 tracks, cassette, CDs MP3 and digital.
The format changed not the commodity you were buying.
But Generous Robots has no functionality. It is purely sold as an investment. An unregulated investment with a new, opaque "organisation".
As said, there could be a lot of useful uses of NFTs in the future. Books might be one, concert/sports tickets another.
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I think I would actually prefer to go by a digital Charlton shirt & go parade my avatar around in it at the Valley of the Metaverse.
Like what Everton have just launched.
NOT!
WTAF? I’m very very very fecking old 😩😩😩😩😂😂😂😂1 -
Almost all computer games now days have items to buys, whether its a gun, footballer, kits etc. Its been going on for a while and your kids are already living in the NFT world2
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KBslittlesis said:I think I would actually prefer to go by a digital Charlton shirt & go parade my avatar around in it at the Valley of the Metaverse.
Like what Everton have just launched.
NOT!
WTAF? I’m very very very fecking old 😩😩😩😩😂😂😂😂0