Chuks Aneke - speculation re 2023/24 season (p60)

Garrymanilow said:

Clem_Snide said:

When Chuks was substitued against Brighton he looked close to tears. All this "he is work shy", "nicking a living" bollocks is out of order.

Garner hinted earlier in the season that he needed some support with his mental health. Yes, his injuries are frustrating, but the kicking he is getting on here and on social media is bang out of order imo.

The fans: 'Sometimes it's like the players aren't giving their all out there on the pitch. Play for the shirt, play for the fans who traveled!'

Also the fans: 'Chuks Aneke is injured again? He should be put down, useless shirking prick'.

There is ground in between those views though. I don’t think for one second that Chuks is a “useless shirking prick”. I think he’s a lad with significant fitness problems that for a club like Charlton isn’t sustainable. Love to see him fully recovered and playing week in week out but I just don’t believe we will. 

ShootersHillGuru said:

Garrymanilow said:

Clem_Snide said:

When Chuks was substitued against Brighton he looked close to tears. All this "he is work shy", "nicking a living" bollocks is out of order.

Garner hinted earlier in the season that he needed some support with his mental health. Yes, his injuries are frustrating, but the kicking he is getting on here and on social media is bang out of order imo.

The fans: 'Sometimes it's like the players aren't giving their all out there on the pitch. Play for the shirt, play for the fans who traveled!'

Also the fans: 'Chuks Aneke is injured again? He should be put down, useless shirking prick'.

There is ground in between those views though. I don’t think for one second that Chuks is a “useless shirking prick”. I think he’s a lad with significant fitness problems that for a club like Charlton isn’t sustainable. Love to see him fully recovered and playing week in week out but I just don’t believe we will. 

I agree with you completely. That's how I feel about Chuks as well. Whether it's mental or physical it's not his fault and I feel for him, but as you say it's not a good situation for the club either. I'm more making a general point that it's no surprise that players jump at the first sight of more money or have days where they aren't as driven when you see some of the stuff written or shouted at them when they commit the crime of getting injured.

Any news? Not seen a thing about him for weeks now.

Think if I remember rightly, Holden said last week he had been training for a week but they wanted to get some prolonged training into his legs before they put him in the squad.

From what I can make out, he should have had 2 weeks training now so could well be involved in the squad tomorrow.

If not, we have 6 games in February where the squad is likely going to be used.

I hope to see him in the 18 tomorrow. 

pointless even putting him on the bench yet! a good month of hard training with no breakdowns or slight injuries fine let him go on the bench but i think from what holden is saying he is of the same feeling as us now enough is enough produce and stay fit or bye

He’ll gradually claw his way back to be able to return to the bench.  He may even come on and get a goal.  There’ll be the usual nonsense, thr cheat code is back, after 3 okay substitute appearances, the level of contribution will dip, and then by about March he’ll knacker himself again somehow.  This will mark the pattern until 2025 or released/sold.  

Kips said:

CharltontillidieCOYR said:

pointless even putting him on the bench yet! a good month of hard training with no breakdowns or slight injuries fine let him go on the bench but i think from what holden is saying he is of the same feeling as us now enough is enough produce and stay fit or bye

That's all fine except Chuks has a longer contract than Holden. So Chuks holds all the aces here. 

Like Jfc was for different reasons he can be frozen out for however long is necessary still early days but i know which one i would hope is around longer as this issue with chuks has been going on for too long now to change all of a sudden i think personally he will be either retired or non league within 2/3 years max

Kips said:

CharltontillidieCOYR said:

pointless even putting him on the bench yet! a good month of hard training with no breakdowns or slight injuries fine let him go on the bench but i think from what holden is saying he is of the same feeling as us now enough is enough produce and stay fit or bye

That's all fine except Chuks has a longer contract than Holden. So Chuks holds all the aces here. 

What does contract length have to do with anything?

JaShea99 said:

bolloxbolder said:

He's rarely fit. When he is we have to play him surely? Thinking we can get him to stay fit hasn't worked before so why would it work now?

Too soft as a club. Boot him out.

How? Pay off his contract? Ask him nicely to quit and become unemployed? Sack him and breach the contract?

I’d pay him off, yes

CAFCOlly said:

Get him fit and use him exclusively for 15 minutes at the end of games where we’re needing a goal. Don’t bother starting him or even giving him 45 minutes.

It’s obviously not ideal but we’ve got him for another few years so we’re going to have to accommodate him whether we like it or not. 

15 minutes from Chuks is more dangerous than a full 90 minutes from Stockley.

Not sure I would have agreed with that last season and, hopefully for him, Stockley's form won't last forever. I'd argue it's better to have players in the squad that turn up. If Aneke did then Stockley might have been able have a break this season instead of ploughing on when everyone could see it wasn't working.

CAFCOlly said:

Get him fit and use him exclusively for 15 minutes at the end of games where we’re needing a goal. Don’t bother starting him or even giving him 45 minutes.

It’s obviously not ideal but we’ve got him for another few years - we’re going to have to accommodate him whether we like it or not. 

15 minutes from Chuks is more dangerous than a full 90 minutes from Stockley.

Stockley is a low bar.  I’d argue having him for 15 minutes a game isn’t dangerous enough to get us out this league and not sustainable.  You just never know when he’ll break down again.  

cabbles said:

CAFCOlly said:

Get him fit and use him exclusively for 15 minutes at the end of games where we’re needing a goal. Don’t bother starting him or even giving him 45 minutes.

It’s obviously not ideal but we’ve got him for another few years - we’re going to have to accommodate him whether we like it or not. 

15 minutes from Chuks is more dangerous than a full 90 minutes from Stockley.

Stockley is a low bar.  I’d argue having him for 15 minutes a game isn’t dangerous enough to get us out this league and not sustainable.  You just never know when he’ll break down again.  

I’m not sure if it’s relevant, but should he even train.  Different circumstances, but Ledley King didn’t train for spurs for a period of his career.  I’ve got no idea if this would be applicable to Aneke.

On the whole though, the best option would be to try and ship him on somehow, even if that means taking a hit financially 

This is the pardox though.  If we were in the position to pay Aneke off, we wouldn't need to pay him off.

In addition to Chuks we have got 5 players, who are under contract for next season, who are unselectable because they are either simply not good enough or not suited to the way we play, or mix of both.

You could probably get away with 2 or 3, like we did in 2019, but 6 is far, far too many.  That doesn't include the other couple that are out of contract in the summer.

Cafc43v3r said:

cabbles said:

CAFCOlly said:

Get him fit and use him exclusively for 15 minutes at the end of games where we’re needing a goal. Don’t bother starting him or even giving him 45 minutes.

It’s obviously not ideal but we’ve got him for another few years - we’re going to have to accommodate him whether we like it or not. 

15 minutes from Chuks is more dangerous than a full 90 minutes from Stockley.

Stockley is a low bar.  I’d argue having him for 15 minutes a game isn’t dangerous enough to get us out this league and not sustainable.  You just never know when he’ll break down again.  

I’m not sure if it’s relevant, but should he even train.  Different circumstances, but Ledley King didn’t train for spurs for a period of his career.  I’ve got no idea if this would be applicable to Aneke.

On the whole though, the best option would be to try and ship him on somehow, even if that means taking a hit financially 

This is the pardox though.  If we were in the position to pay Aneke off, we wouldn't need to pay him off.

In addition to Chuks we have got 5 players, who are under contract for next season, who are unselectable because they are either simply not good enough or not suited to the way we play, or mix of both.

You could probably get away with 2 or 3, like we did in 2019, but 6 is far, far too many.  That doesn't include the other couple that are out of contract in the summer.

Yes, combined with Kirk, Mansfield, Stockley and others, we’ve got a challenge in how that impacts the playing squad next year.

For me, I think the question is, do we want either Stockley or Aneke here at the start of next season?  In my opinion, no.  Stockley has all the mobility and threat of someone that’s taken a hit of spice before a game, and Aneke is knackered.

it might sound harsh, but it’s the truth. I think most people are willing to see the back of Stockley, but there are a number of people who still cling onto this impact from the bench role Aneke has.  Since he returned in the Exeter game I think he got 3 in 12, I’m sure there were a couple of assists in there as well.  If he’s as good an impact player as everyone keeps making out, that’s not actually a great return imo.