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January Transfer Window - Jan 2023 (Deadline Day starts page 112)
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And Gilbey.Valley11 said:
Agreed. I mean; why are some spinning it as a positive that the squad has been culled for a fresh start in the summer?Dazzler21 said:
Because it is a clear out of salaries - massive cost cutting exercise in the end. There's no way the ins outweigh the outs.Valley11 said:Why do people keep calling it a clear out?
Most are loans so they’ll be back in the summer.
Kirk, Lavelle, DJ and McGrandles will all be back.0 -
Apparently EOC signed a 3.5 year deal with Wrexham. So before you get to salary that’s decent security plus move closer to home.5
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Good for him, can see why he'd be happy. But as others keep saying, he should not have been for sale in the first place. I would love to know if it's true they were initially interested in Lavelle.Valley11 said:Apparently EOC signed a 3.5 year deal with Wrexham. So before you get to salary that’s decent security plus move closer to home.0 -
Lavelle said he had other options but chose Burton so maybe Wrexham were interested.PragueAddick said:
Good for him, can see why he'd be happy. But as others keep saying, he should not have been for sale in the first place. I would love to know if it's true they were initially interested in Lavelle.Valley11 said:Apparently EOC signed a 3.5 year deal with Wrexham. So before you get to salary that’s decent security plus move closer to home.0 -
Fingers crossed they do ok and get permanent deals and we don't have to see them again eh..all part of the cunning plan...👍Valley11 said:Why do people keep calling it a clear out?
Most are loans so they’ll be back in the summer.1 -
We're not going anywhere and saved ourselves a shed load of wages on utter rubbish players.
Look forward to summer rebuild version whatever we are on.3 -
Only thing I’d say to people who wish Inniss had gone as well is that he would definitely have needed replacing with a major physical presence first. In an ideal world a Santos. But seemingly players like that are out of our league, sadly.1
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Gilbey out of contract in May. Won't be back.LargeAddick said:
And Gilbey.Valley11 said:
Agreed. I mean; why are some spinning it as a positive that the squad has been culled for a fresh start in the summer?Dazzler21 said:
Because it is a clear out of salaries - massive cost cutting exercise in the end. There's no way the ins outweigh the outs.Valley11 said:Why do people keep calling it a clear out?
Most are loans so they’ll be back in the summer.
Kirk, Lavelle, DJ and McGrandles will all be back.
DJ and Lavelle have another year with us.
Kirk is contracted until 2025.0 -
Deadline day is always interesting as it really doesn't take much to go from optimism and surprise to devastation. I'd say yesterday we had one outgoing that was uncomfortable and missed out on one incoming that we should have completed. Other than that, objectives pretty much met for the window, definitely in terms of positions, remains to be seen in terms of the players themselves.We needed a full back on each side to cover for injury and a gap and we got both, though Kane's injury complicates things. We needed quality above Morgan in the middle and hopefully Kilkenny is that. We needed a first team striker to compete with Leaburn, Bonne came in. We also clearly needed to have better options at CB and we brought in Hector. We should have brought in another winger after letting two go and should have had back up options to EdwardsIn terms of outgoings, we had three first team keepers and one wasn't very good; we resolved that. We had a highly paid striker who didn't score or contribute; he's gone. We had a winger who has made 7 L1 appearances this season, dropped to 5th choice and has mostly been injured; gone. We had a centre back who was truly the most lost player we've had in years; Burtoned. Two central midfielders with two league starts between them, an under-delivering winger the manager clearly didn't rate, all gone. These were all moves that needed to happen. The curve ball was O'Connell. There was a point yesterday where we had 6 first team centre halves and we got that back down to 4 by the end. It's clear that it would have been Thomas and Lavelle if not for EOC going, but it's uncomfortable that the player we just signed who would have been worth keeping in the squad is the one who went. He wasn't playing under Holden but there's something off about it for sure, and I wonder if it says a lot that Wrexham knew they could come calling at the 11th hour and get what they wanted off Charlton. Beyond that though, Wrexham are weird, they'll get the players they go for.Bottom line is now everything depends on a takeover. If we get bought by an ownership that can spend some money then the deck clearing is good. We can see if Hector and Bonne are worthy of longer contracts, we've put the players we don't want in the shop window for the summer, we can rebuild. If there's no takeover or it's a penniless farce then we're screwed, but we're screwed anyway right now, so no massive change there.The outs were good, the ins were in the right places so hopefully they're also the right players. It's not that good, it's not all bad. The real time breakdowns some posters had on here in the hours following the deadline though? A+, thank you for your service. A genuine delight to read through29
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*runs around waving pants in the air like a lasso*Chunes said:
He's out of contract in May.LargeAddick said:
And Gilbey.Valley11 said:
Agreed. I mean; why are some spinning it as a positive that the squad has been culled for a fresh start in the summer?Dazzler21 said:
Because it is a clear out of salaries - massive cost cutting exercise in the end. There's no way the ins outweigh the outs.Valley11 said:Why do people keep calling it a clear out?
Most are loans so they’ll be back in the summer.
Kirk, Lavelle, DJ and McGrandles will all be back.2 - Sponsored links:
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According to Scoham’s squad list Gilbey’s contract expires this year, so he’ll be looking for a new club.LargeAddick said:
And Gilbey.Valley11 said:
Agreed. I mean; why are some spinning it as a positive that the squad has been culled for a fresh start in the summer?Dazzler21 said:
Because it is a clear out of salaries - massive cost cutting exercise in the end. There's no way the ins outweigh the outs.Valley11 said:Why do people keep calling it a clear out?
Most are loans so they’ll be back in the summer.
Kirk, Lavelle, DJ and McGrandles will all be back.0 -
He did state 'in the summer'blackpool72 said:
So we have new owners do we.RonnieMoore said:
Like they have been most of the season …. How many games as Kirk and DJ played under Holden ? or even on the bench for that matterBailey said:DDOUBLEE said:So our winger options are literally CBT, Campbell and Rak-Sakyi, quality :|Are you missing Kirk already
fans wanted a clear out .. for a restart in the summer under new owners that’s what they got yet still moaning
I must have missed that bit.0 -
Nothing as fans we can do about the fact that we are in a prolonged and uncomfortable ownership situation. Therefore no point in expending anymore angst about it, depressing and worrying though it is in equal measure. Looking purely on the playing side, I’m glad to see the back of every single departure. They were all chuff. EOC was a surprise but I’m not overly bothered. What I am bothered about is the quality of the replacements/temporary additions that are supposed to see us through till the end of the season. Kane looked ok but has been Charltonized already, Hector is a story all to himself, Penney looks dreadful (see what I did there) and just don’t start me on Bonne about whom I have vented enough already. Dunno much about Kilkenny so can’t really comment other than to say if he’s not an upgrade on Albie then there’s something wrong. We have settled for mid table mediocrity and cost savings with half a season to go. We’ve just kicked the can down the road to be dealt with in the summer. We won’t be relegated. We probably have enough points already as there is some real chuff in this league and Burton have just secured one of the four places. Really hard to maintain much enthusiasm till there’s a change at the top. Ho hum.0
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With how much time left on their contracts? I know Gilbey’s expires in the summer @LargeAddick , but don’t know about these.Valley11 said:
Agreed. I mean; why are some spinning it as a positive that the squad has been culled for a fresh start in the summer?Dazzler21 said:
Because it is a clear out of salaries - massive cost cutting exercise in the end. There's no way the ins outweigh the outs.Valley11 said:Why do people keep calling it a clear out?
Most are loans so they’ll be back in the summer.
Kirk, Lavelle, DJ and McGrandles will all be back.0 -
Absolutely no doubt in my mind that we are under a transfer embargo.10
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350K we got for EOC.. I think Wrexham have got a great deal.. Player in his prime, should be playing a lot higher.14
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Hopefully theres a nugget of an out of contract striker out there which we don't know about or we could light if/when injuries or suspensions set in..0
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I can’t believe people are trying to put a positive spin on this. It’s a disaster, TS has been a disaster, he’s been on par with Roland when it comes to recruitment. Wasting millions on bang average players and not even giving them a chance because of disastrous management appointments. Some are saying at least the dead wood are off the books but most are only loans, so most likely we’re still paying a good percentage of their wages. Paying their wages to play for other teams while when the inevitable injury crisis happens we’ll be playing the kids. However bad those players were they were better than our first choice players are when they’re sat on a treatment table. He’s stripping the club of the few assets that are left. There is no buyer close, you wouldn’t panic offload half of your squad to slash costs when new owners are just around the corner. The club is in a dangerous limbo, how do you think this will affect the moral of the first team? Most will be onto their agents this morning sounding the alarm bells and that will translate into each players form.4
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Sadly, I am old and ugly enough to remember a season back in the late 70s when we were in a similar position in the league to our current one - bottom half but nowhere near going down.
The powers that be then decided it would be a good idea to loan out to an American team 3 of our best forwards - Flanagan, Powell & Abrahams. Surprise, surprise the team went into freefall and we ended up staying up only by winning our last game.
Fast forward 40 odd years and looking at all the players we have lent out again and I can only wonder whether history will repeat itself.10 -
I guess we can all agree this is all consistent with the only two public pronouncements from the club - TS's strategy to work towards breakeven and Holden's comment about trimming and re-balancing the squad. Whilst we may have trimmed in terms of numbers, I'm not convinced we have enough quality in the centre of defence, midfield or up front but hey-ho.
Assuming we steer clear of relegation, what next? What is the strategy to move this club forward on the football pitch? If there is no new investment in the club and say Holden leaves at the end of the season etc what changes? Do we end up not appointing a new manager until late June or July, leave the summer recruitment too late, bring in poor quality recruits etc etc etc? Absence anything changing, we are on target to simply rinse and repeat.
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eaststandmike said:
Out of interest who are the “8-9 strong players “ who a “really strong team” could be built aroundAthletico Charlton said:OutgoingsO'Connell makes no sense. Would have kept DJ who I seem unusual around here in quite liking.
JFC, McG, Kirk, Lavelle going have zero impact, all dreadful players or knackered. Stockley and McGrandles will have minor impacts.
IncomingBonne is shitPenny looks poor but only one game so farKane is out for most of the seasonKilkenny I have no clue.
Hector is not fit
Scott clearly came to massively reduce our budget and lied to our faces when he first arrived.
Holden has lost a lot of credibility today.
Hope TS Leaves in the summer not 80% but 100% and that PV can come riding to our rescue.
We have 8-9 really decent players that a new owner could build a very strong team around but it looks bleak right now.
AMB, Wollacott, Ness, Egbo, Dobson, Fraser and Leaburn are 7. All contracted for next season and none would look out of place in a top 6 team IMO.
Sess would be available if we had the right owner and likewise would be good enough.
Add to that Campbell, Mitchell and Kanu who all look like cracking prospects to me and will be of an age that they would expect to start getting more minutes.
Then we have Anderson, Adigun (plus if they sign up Kone and Casey) from the youth who will be a year older and also all look like excellent prospects who I would fancy to contribute next season.
We have the basis of a talented, if young, squad.
We get the chance to look at Kane, Penny, Hector and Kilkenny - you would like to think that 1/2 of those may be good enough and I haven't totally written off McGrandles and DJ personally.
Sure, you still need a major rebuild and a motivated and wealthy owner and sure Leaburn will almost certainly be sold (but a new owner would hopefully reinvest that money).
It's all down to the ownership now, an unmotivated TS or a "flip" disaster attempt by a poorly funded Methven and we are well and truly screwed. Someone prepared to invest like TS was when he joined, but with more common sense and ability to recruit the right non playing staff to make those transfer decisions and we could have a good season.5 -
Good deal for us as well plugs the budget holesDubaiCAFC said:350K we got for EOC.. I think Wrexham have got a great deal.. Player in his prime, should be playing a lot higher.1 -
I don't understand people's expectations from this window maybe 50 years of supporting Charlton means I'm a sceptic at best but usually a cynic but I had zero expectations going into this window whilst TS remained in charge.
Its been over a decade since we last had a decent window when SCP overhauled the squad and got us out of this awful league and we haven't had a decent window since - yes we have brought in some decent players over the years but also some complete dross and we've had an unbalanced squad coming out of each successive window.
Until there's a sale and a complete overhaul of the running of the club I'm not expecting much and certainly not the sort of window that will make us promotion contenders.0 -
I'm not as doom and gloom as some of you. We've trimmed and the squad is perhaps less flexible, but honestly, we've shipped out a whole bunch of inadequates and signed what could, even should be some quality that's too good for this league (conditionally speaking), and that's on the final day alone. Our first choice starting XI is arguably stronger now than it was at any other point of the season - yes, it'd be nice to get Kane or Egbo back, and for Chuks to finally get a run of games in - but while EOC is a loss, a fit Hector would be a serious upgrade. The centre-back situation does look a bit perilous but Inniss/Ness have been doing pretty well under Holden and Thomas is...well, a L1 player in the room. And Elewere is still out there somewhere. I don't see why there's such need for gnashing of teeth, but then again this is Charlton Life and we are a much-abused fanbase so it's natural to automatically assume everything is being done badly and for the wrong reasons.
Anyway, LET'S SEE. As I say, with Kilkenny in there especially I reckon our midfield could be up there with more or less anything in the league. Three eminently winnable games coming up to test the hypothesis.3 -
JamesSeed said:
With how much time left on their contracts? I know Gilbey’s expires in the summer @LargeAddick , but don’t know about these.Valley11 said:
Agreed. I mean; why are some spinning it as a positive that the squad has been culled for a fresh start in the summer?Dazzler21 said:
Because it is a clear out of salaries - massive cost cutting exercise in the end. There's no way the ins outweigh the outs.Valley11 said:Why do people keep calling it a clear out?
Most are loans so they’ll be back in the summer.
Kirk, Lavelle, DJ and McGrandles will all be back.Lavelle and DJ 2024, Kirk and McGrandles 2025.1 -
So it looks like we seemingly sold EOC for £350,000 and Stockley for £250,000. That's £600,000 that should be re-invested in the squad but won't be in the current set-up. Quite frustrating knowing it's not going anywhere.
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With so much shit in the squad it's hardly impossible to let anyone half decent go but we managed that in EOC but held on to our decent ones Dobson, Leaburn, Ness & Fraser , not even sure how decent they are cos in a crock of shit anything looks good .
We'll have some of the dross we've unloaded returning and some of the new ones disappearing at the end of the season
then we can say how important it is to get players in early and the next two weeks/months are crucial
we'll sign another load of hit and miss , people will wank off before we see them play and the worlds shittiest merry go round circus of a football club will continue on it's fucktard route in to obliviion .
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I'm not overly disappointed by any of the departures. With the exception of Dobson & leaburn, i don't mind any of this current squad leaving. People losing their minds over the likes of Lavelle & kirk leaving is laughable IMO. I think we've done well to offload some absolute dross!!
I don't think we need another striker as we pnly play 1 up front, but I do agree we're probably a centre back & a winger light though2 -
Perfect SummaryGarrymanilow said:Deadline day is always interesting as it really doesn't take much to go from optimism and surprise to devastation. I'd say yesterday we had one outgoing that was uncomfortable and missed out on one incoming that we should have completed. Other than that, objectives pretty much met for the window, definitely in terms of positions, remains to be seen in terms of the players themselves.We needed a full back on each side to cover for injury and a gap and we got both, though Kane's injury complicates things. We needed quality above Morgan in the middle and hopefully Kilkenny is that. We needed a first team striker to compete with Leaburn, Bonne came in. We also clearly needed to have better options at CB and we brought in Hector. We should have brought in another winger after letting two go and should have had back up options to EdwardsIn terms of outgoings, we had three first team keepers and one wasn't very good; we resolved that. We had a highly paid striker who didn't score or contribute; he's gone. We had a winger who has made 7 L1 appearances this season, dropped to 5th choice and has mostly been injured; gone. We had a centre back who was truly the most lost player we've had in years; Burtoned. Two central midfielders with two league starts between them, an under-delivering winger the manager clearly didn't rate, all gone. These were all moves that needed to happen. The curve ball was O'Connell. There was a point yesterday where we had 6 first team centre halves and we got that back down to 4 by the end. It's clear that it would have been Thomas and Lavelle if not for EOC going, but it's uncomfortable that the player we just signed who would have been worth keeping in the squad is the one who went. He wasn't playing under Holden but there's something off about it for sure, and I wonder if it says a lot that Wrexham knew they could come calling at the 11th hour and get what they wanted off Charlton. Beyond that though, Wrexham are weird, they'll get the players they go for.Bottom line is now everything depends on a takeover. If we get bought by an ownership that can spend some money then the deck clearing is good. We can see if Hector and Bonne are worthy of longer contracts, we've put the players we don't want in the shop window for the summer, we can rebuild. If there's no takeover or it's a penniless farce then we're screwed, but we're screwed anyway right now, so no massive change there.The outs were good, the ins were in the right places so hopefully they're also the right players. It's not that good, it's not all bad. The real time breakdowns some posters had on here in the hours following the deadline though? A+, thank you for your service. A genuine delight to read through5
