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Dean Holden - Jan 2025: joined the coaching staff at Adana Demispor in Turkey (p47)

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  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,355
    edited March 2023
    Meh. 

    I'll give him another year but can't say what I've seen on the pitch has been good. 

    The constant 'he gets us' while we lose to Accrington, Cambridge and Morecambe will be tiresome. 
    You're not still buying that the manager is the problem are you... So Bowyer, Adkins, Garner, Jackson and now Holden have all been the problem? 

    Not the fact Martin Sandgaard is signing our players, that is, when he's not getting youth players to cross the ball for him so he can practice his shooting. 
  • I’m not necessarily sold on Holden, but it’s really difficult to make an opinion when we don’t have a competitive squad for this league.

    What I will say is that when we were bad under Adkins and Jackson, I thought we were really bad - where I have yet to really see that from a Holden team.

    Ultimately we were not good enough against Bolton, Plymouth etc, but on the whole I’ve seen us play a lot worse in recent years.

    I don’t expect us to go on a massive winning streak now because we have ‘easier’ teams, because we don’t have a good enough squad for that. But I expect us to pick up points and finish comfortably mid table - if we can’t manage that then I’ll be be more worried about next year. 
  • lancashire lad
    lancashire lad Posts: 15,629
    we we don't have "easier" teams to play, they are just as difficult in different ways
  • we we don't have "easier" teams to play, they are just as difficult in different ways
    Which is why I put easier in quotation marks. They will be easier than playing Plymouth, but we don’t have the players to just turn up and turn teams over with. 
  • follett
    follett Posts: 1,036
    Only at Charlton could a manager get a contract extension after going 6 hours without scoring. 

    I like Holden and under the circumstances will take him. I just don't really see him as much of an improvement on Garner but realistically under current ownership no manager is going to thrive.
  • carly burn
    carly burn Posts: 19,471
    Great news. He gets us.
    I don't think I get us anymore.
  • ElfsborgAddick
    ElfsborgAddick Posts: 29,082
    Meh. 

    I'll give him another year but can't say what I've seen on the pitch has been good. 

    The constant 'he gets us' while we lose to Accrington, Cambridge and Morecambe will be tiresome. 
    We have not played them yet, you're a bundle of fun.
  • valleynick66
    valleynick66 Posts: 4,891
    As a minimum it will help with whatever signings we do try and make by simply having a confirmed manager. 

    Of course he has much to prove still and that would be true of any appointment. 

    We can only otherwise judge him by whatever public utterances he gives (aside from actual results) as to how he is doing stuff behind the scenes and his relationship with the ownership. I’m tired of bland statements / we are doing good things in training / looking at the balance of the squad etc. I want a bit more honesty from whoever our manager is and (relatively) he appears to do that. 
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,444
    edited March 2023
    I’m not necessarily sold on Holden, but it’s really difficult to make an opinion when we don’t have a competitive squad for this league.

    What I will say is that when we were bad under Adkins and Jackson, I thought we were really bad - where I have yet to really see that from a Holden team.

    Ultimately we were not good enough against Bolton, Plymouth etc, but on the whole I’ve seen us play a lot worse in recent years.

    I don’t expect us to go on a massive winning streak now because we have ‘easier’ teams, because we don’t have a good enough squad for that. But I expect us to pick up points and finish comfortably mid table - if we can’t manage that then I’ll be be more worried about next year. 
    To be fair the games Holden has lost, are the sort of fixtures you'd expect a mid-table side to lose.

    Got lucky against Barnsley... and may have got a bit more from our last four games, however our charitable nature has seen us gift promotion chasing teams, three of their four goals - Something you cant be doing against those teams.

    Fleetwood is the only blot on his record for us, is the only game I'd have expected to do better.

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  • I’m not necessarily sold on Holden, but it’s really difficult to make an opinion when we don’t have a competitive squad for this league.

    What I will say is that when we were bad under Adkins and Jackson, I thought we were really bad - where I have yet to really see that from a Holden team.

    Ultimately we were not good enough against Bolton, Plymouth etc, but on the whole I’ve seen us play a lot worse in recent years.

    I don’t expect us to go on a massive winning streak now because we have ‘easier’ teams, because we don’t have a good enough squad for that. But I expect us to pick up points and finish comfortably mid table - if we can’t manage that then I’ll be be more worried about next year. 
    To be fair the games Holden has lost, are the sort of fixtures you'd expect a mid-table side to lose.

    Got lucky against Barnsley... and may have got a bit more from our last four games, however our charitable nature has seen us gift promotion chasing teams, three of their four goals - Something you cant be doing against those teams.

    Fleetwood is the only blot on his record for us, is the only game I'd have expected to do better.
    Pretty much where I am at. I didn’t see the Fleetwood game so can’t talk to the overall performance. 

    But over a season a mid table team will sometimes pick up points against the top teams, and sometimes drop points against the bottom sides.

    Its why they are a mid table team. 
  • Jonniesta
    Jonniesta Posts: 1,155
    I’m not necessarily sold on Holden, but it’s really difficult to make an opinion when we don’t have a competitive squad for this league.

    What I will say is that when we were bad under Adkins and Jackson, I thought we were really bad - where I have yet to really see that from a Holden team.

    Ultimately we were not good enough against Bolton, Plymouth etc, but on the whole I’ve seen us play a lot worse in recent years.

    I don’t expect us to go on a massive winning streak now because we have ‘easier’ teams, because we don’t have a good enough squad for that. But I expect us to pick up points and finish comfortably mid table - if we can’t manage that then I’ll be be more worried about next year. 
    To be fair the games Holden has lost, are the sort of fixtures you'd expect a mid-table side to lose.

    Got lucky against Barnsley... and may have got a bit more from our last four games, however our charitable nature has seen us gift promotion chasing teams, three of their four goals - Something you cant be doing against those teams.

    Fleetwood is the only blot on his record for us, is the only game I'd have expected to do better.
    Exactly this. Oxford would also be an early blot on that, but generally we've got points against those teams that a mid table team should get points against, which was Garner's main failing... we just looked worse against worse teams. 
  • jonseventyfive
    jonseventyfive Posts: 3,354
    Think this is good news, hopefully he will get some backing in the summer.
  • Stewart
    Stewart Posts: 2,451
    Meh. 

    I'll give him another year but can't say what I've seen on the pitch has been good. 

    The constant 'he gets us' while we lose to Accrington, Cambridge and Morecambe will be tiresome. 
    I get your point, but don’t think even William Still can get this squad playing well. 


  • mendonca
    mendonca Posts: 9,406
    I like Holden, not his agent so much. 

    Dean needs to get the best out of a forward line now. Be that using wingers or youth.
  • Jonniesta said:
    I’m not necessarily sold on Holden, but it’s really difficult to make an opinion when we don’t have a competitive squad for this league.

    What I will say is that when we were bad under Adkins and Jackson, I thought we were really bad - where I have yet to really see that from a Holden team.

    Ultimately we were not good enough against Bolton, Plymouth etc, but on the whole I’ve seen us play a lot worse in recent years.

    I don’t expect us to go on a massive winning streak now because we have ‘easier’ teams, because we don’t have a good enough squad for that. But I expect us to pick up points and finish comfortably mid table - if we can’t manage that then I’ll be be more worried about next year. 
    To be fair the games Holden has lost, are the sort of fixtures you'd expect a mid-table side to lose.

    Got lucky against Barnsley... and may have got a bit more from our last four games, however our charitable nature has seen us gift promotion chasing teams, three of their four goals - Something you cant be doing against those teams.

    Fleetwood is the only blot on his record for us, is the only game I'd have expected to do better.
    Exactly this. Oxford would also be an early blot on that, but generally we've got points against those teams that a mid table team should get points against, which was Garner's main failing... we just looked worse against worse teams. 
    Forgot he was in charge as early as Oxford

    What I've liked is whenever we have lost, we've tended to get a reaction the next game

    Derby | Sheff Wed are the only back to back games he's lost
  • thecat
    thecat Posts: 353
    What does this tell us about the status of the takeover? Could be it's close and new lot happy with Holden or TS going to remain as majority shareholder.
  • cafcfan1990
    cafcfan1990 Posts: 12,811
    mendonca said:
    I like Holden, not his agent so much. 

    Dean needs to get the best out of a forward line now. Be that using wingers or youth.
    agents are one of the worst things about football but they are only doing their jobs in this case. He's got a contract for a couple more months, I'd sack mine if they weren't actively out there trying to get me the best deal possible.
  • It can be sold as a positive in that the manager sees a reason to stay on ahead of the summer. The negative side of me thinks he’s not got anywhere with the jobs that we’re supposedly looking at him so didn’t have much choice.

    It must be a boost for the players to know the bloke isn’t looking out for interviews elsewhere every day.


  • ProperCharlton
    ProperCharlton Posts: 2,254
    Doesn't matter if TS and his family still own the club.

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  • Sillybilly
    Sillybilly Posts: 9,236
    To the extent that I'm whelmed about anything to do with the club at the moment, I'm pleased if this is true in that I like the guy and it gives at least an element of stability.  Whether he's actually any good or not remains to  be seen as he's working with utter chuff and will be until such times as there is root and branch change.  By that point he may have become irrelevant but at least its something.
  • Croydon
    Croydon Posts: 12,735
    Great news. He gets us.
    See this peddled out a lot, but have never known what it means. 
  • eaststandmike
    eaststandmike Posts: 14,956
    I suppose it brings a bit of stability to the club but in the long term who the manager is is irrelevant, Pep, Jose & Poch could not get our bunch of dross playing any better so its all about the investment in the squad.
  • Croydon
    Croydon Posts: 12,735
    Doesn't matter if TS and his family still own the club.
    Spot on. At least Holden is a likable bloke.
  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    edited March 2023
    Dean Holden is consistently going out of his way to find out more about Charlton Athletic and it’s context.
    Not many other managers have tried so hard, the ‘indigenous’ managers like Powell and Curbs and Jacko haven’t needed to, Adkins tried a bit, but Peeters, Slade, Robinson and some others always seemed to behave like strangers in a strange land.
    As a result I have tried to find out more about Swinton and discovered Charles Dickens once visited the Swinton industrial school.
  • DH will always be fondly remembered by me for the hand he reached out to "our" Ben's Mum & Dad recently.

    Meant so much to them both & is a true mark of the man IMO.
  • DA9
    DA9 Posts: 11,091
    No manager will get anything better out of the dross we have in this squad.

    He inherited rubbish, no substantial or significantly improved squad members added in January, and having to deal with the circus around him internally.

    My only hope is if we do have a new owner(s) come the summer that they back him sufficiently so he can have a real go next season.
    Get rid of the dross, persuade Dobbo to sign an improved contract, then rebuild the whole squad around him. 
  • I genuinely don't really care one way or the other.

    I know that sounds harsh but I think all the managers we've had since probably Robinson have been fine, decent enough - Holden is no different.  But while the owners aren't backing managers properly, it doesn't really matter.
  • roseandcrown
    roseandcrown Posts: 7,588
    thecat said:
    What does this tell us about the status of the takeover? Could be it's close and new lot happy with Holden or TS going to remain as majority shareholder.

    It says sat down with Peter Storrie, I assume form that the new guys are happy with him and have arranged. I think that is the best thing. Holden has worked with the players for 3 months and will know what he wants and does not want. 

    Positive it mentions making plans for next year already.


  • swordfish
    swordfish Posts: 4,234
    edited March 2023
    Delighted. Some doubters on here, but I don't think Powell had much to work with when he took over from Parkinson and we were hardly impressive then. We all know what followed after the rebuild. I'm hoping my comparison proves a valid one and I'm not worried (about Holden)