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Dean Holden - Jan 2025: joined the coaching staff at Adana Demispor in Turkey (p47)

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  • TimAddick
    TimAddick Posts: 216
    I think Holden has got decent managerial skills and could do us good with a decent squad. I think it is time to stick with a manager. Curbs squad lost in playoffs to (better not mention) in 96. The next season we were 15th a definite sacking offence nowadays. And then what happened?
  • Six-a-bag-of-nuts
    Six-a-bag-of-nuts Posts: 8,127
    We badly need some continuity, so it's a good thing in that respect.
    I like the cut of his jib, but whether he has what it takes I really don't know.
    We keep asking our managers to make a silk purse out of a pig's ear.
  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 26,127
    Is TS giving him the deal or new owner(s) giving the go ahead?
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,879
    Holden seems a decent person, and has shown he's "good enough" as a manager.

    The important thing is that we have a manager in place now for next season, to plan for the summer window who knows what sort of team and players we want next season. 

    AND has sufficient backing, which is the major problem at the moment with the ownership in limbo.
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,386
    The Red Robin said:
    Is TS giving him the deal or new owner(s) giving the go ahead?
    Presumably the new owner, SLP article said:

    Holden met with chief executive Peter Storrie last week to begin putting down plans for next season, including their pre-season programme.
  • SELR_addicks
    SELR_addicks Posts: 15,470
    Scoham said:
    SELR_addicks said:
    Meh. 

    I'll give him another year but can't say what I've seen on the pitch has been good. 

    The constant 'he gets us' while we lose to Accrington, Cambridge and Morecambe will be tiresome. 
    How would any manager get this squad playing consistently well?
    Meh doesn't mean get rid. 

    It means I don't care because it doesn't matter. With the ownership in place Holden does nothing. 
  • shirty5
    shirty5 Posts: 19,235
    edited March 2023
    Good news for Holden as he now has a bit of stability (Financially) with a new deal. What he has to work with in the summer is up for conjecture 

    The longer Sandgaard hangs around our club will make things difficult with what Holden can play with.

    Holden comes across in the time he has been here as a man who does not suffer fools gladly, so will be more than aware by now of what he has signed up for. Football is a close circle and amongst current and ex managers. They will advise accordingly on clubs they have been at 

    For him and for us as fans a new owner is not far down the road in the near future 
  • TimAddick
    TimAddick Posts: 216
    Six-a-bag-of-nuts said:
    We badly need some continuity, so it's a good thing in that respect.
    I like the cut of his jib, but whether he has what it takes I really don't know.
    We keep asking our managers to make a silk purse out of a pig's ear.
    The trouble in getting the silk purse is easy if you recruit well. The problem is retaining it. We live in a world of shortermism. From 1954
    To 1963 when I left for Oz there were constants. Our core group was there for many years. Impossible now unless we are a wealthy club. Just hope whoever takes us over has deep pockets 
  • Richard J
    Richard J Posts: 8,033
    Holden needs to be given at least two years before any reviews. I will be interested in who he brings in playerwise in the summer. Also who is his trusted number two? I often wonder whether Adkins would have done better had he picked his own team. Dean now has the chance to do that.
  • cabbles
    cabbles Posts: 15,256
    It's so hard to tell given the circumstances surrounding the club and ownership moving forward.

    I like how Holden comes across.  He seems more competent and able than Garner and he's hamstrung at the moment in terms of what he's working with, as outside of a few youth prospects and Dobson, the rest aren't good enough (I include the likes of Blackett Taylor, Clare and Fraser in this).  He'll need backing, as will anyone, and let's be honest, TS will not be spending any money in the summer and the transfer activity is likely to resemble last summer's, if that.  He'll have to do a job with loans, cheap free agents and youth.  

    He's probably the best we're going to do in the circumstances, and although that might be a bit insulting to him, if we had a proper owner, stability, competence and ambition, he probably wouldn't have got a look in based on past history.  Neither would Garner for that matter.  TS is out of options and if I am honest, I expected Holden to leave at the end of his deal and Anthony Hughes to come back as interim 

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  • Mendonca In Asdas
    Mendonca In Asdas Posts: 22,653
    Croydon said:
    bolloxbolder said:
    Great news. He gets us.
    See this peddled out a lot, but have never known what it means. 
    Basically it means Dean Realises we are a basket case of a club, but at the end of the day he needs a job to pay the bills, would love to know what support he will be given in the summer for transfers, another load of league 2 signings?
  • ross1
    ross1 Posts: 51,004
    Croydon said:
    bolloxbolder said:
    Great news. He gets us.
    See this peddled out a lot, but have never known what it means. 
    He has been given a copy of all the season ticket holders names 😁
  • Starinnaddick
    Starinnaddick Posts: 4,345
    Tibbles
    I assume you meant Andy Hughes? 
  • LargeAddick
    LargeAddick Posts: 32,593
    Starinnaddick said:
    Tibbles
    I assume you meant Andy Hughes? 
    I think he meant Anthony Hayes.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,879
    Scoham said:
    The Red Robin said:
    Is TS giving him the deal or new owner(s) giving the go ahead?
    Presumably the new owner, SLP article said:

    Holden met with chief executive Peter Storrie last week to begin putting down plans for next season, including their pre-season programme.
    The odd thing about that is that we have no idea whether Storrie will be around next summer. Or even next month  :D
  • Starinnaddick
    Starinnaddick Posts: 4,345
    LargeAddick said:
    Starinnaddick said:
    Tibbles
    I assume you meant Andy Hughes? 
    I think he meant Anthony Hayes.
    Thank you
  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    What’s the Storrie, purgatory?
  • Shrew
    Shrew Posts: 5,749
    cabbles said:
    It's so hard to tell given the circumstances surrounding the club and ownership moving forward.

    I like how Holden comes across.  He seems more competent and able than Garner and he's hamstrung at the moment in terms of what he's working with, as outside of a few youth prospects and Dobson, the rest aren't good enough (I include the likes of Blackett Taylor, Clare and Fraser in this).  He'll need backing, as will anyone, and let's be honest, TS will not be spending any money in the summer and the transfer activity is likely to resemble last summer's, if that.  He'll have to do a job with loans, cheap free agents and youth.  

    He's probably the best we're going to do in the circumstances, and although that might be a bit insulting to him, if we had a proper owner, stability, competence and ambition, he probably wouldn't have got a look in based on past history.  Neither would Garner for that matter.  TS is out of options and if I am honest, I expected Holden to leave at the end of his deal and Anthony Hughes to come back as interim 
    oh shit.. another injury
  • Rob
    Rob Posts: 11,804
    I’m pleased with this. We can’t keep changing managers. We need some stability. I think he has potential but he does need the backing of the owner, whoever that will be. That is the key. 

    Even if it takes 2 or 3 years to get out of L1. I’m happy with that if we can feel some stability and that we’re progressing as a team. 
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,015
    Great news.

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  • Tunwellsaddick
    Tunwellsaddick Posts: 2,452
    I agree 100%. Great news.Settled in really fast, commands the attention of the squad and "he gets us". Long may he be around to provide stability and success.  
  • _MrDick
    _MrDick Posts: 13,108
    I just hope he gets the backing in the summer that he and the supporters deserve
  • cabbles
    cabbles Posts: 15,256
    LargeAddick said:
    Starinnaddick said:
    Tibbles
    I assume you meant Andy Hughes? 
    I think he meant Anthony Hayes.
    I meant Ben Hayes ;-) 
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,360
    cabbles said:
    LargeAddick said:
    Starinnaddick said:
    Tibbles
    I assume you meant Andy Hughes? 
    I think he meant Anthony Hayes.
    I meant Ben Hayes ;-) 
    I meant Hayes & Yeading 
  • ozaddick
    ozaddick Posts: 2,846
    follett said:
    Only at Charlton could a manager get a contract extension after going 6 hours without scoring. 

    I like Holden and under the circumstances will take him. I just don't really see him as much of an improvement on Garner but realistically under current ownership no manager is going to thrive.
    Phil Parkinson topped Holden's record by a country mile when we made him permanent! 

    I see dean as a good motivator, his 'people' skills are really good. 

    A pundit on the podcast 'not the top 20' seems to think he's not a tactical manger, and he's good for the initial bounce, but then results fade away, and I can't argue with that, with what we've seen. 

    So if dean does get the job, he has to bring in a number 2 who fills the weaknesses in Dean's managerial aptitude. 

    I do enjoy his willingness to understand the club, he wants the affiliation with the fans, I also believe he needs to 'get us' as some of us are saying, to do a better job. 

    Lastly, it really does come down to squad quality and depth, and that, without outside investment or a takeover, will derail his time here, like the ones before him. 
  • Redmidland
    Redmidland Posts: 44,700
    _MrDick said:
    I just hope he gets the backing in the summer that he and the supporters deserve
    I think this points to having new owners before the end of the season. I dont think Holden would've signed a new long-term contract if TS was still going to be in-charge, especially as he had his conversation with Storrie and the comment on the official web-site regarding AMB is only from Storrie, TS normally doesnt miss a chance to put his two-pennath in! 
  • valleynick66
    valleynick66 Posts: 4,891
    Redmidland said:
    _MrDick said:
    I just hope he gets the backing in the summer that he and the supporters deserve
    I think this points to having new owners before the end of the season. I dont think Holden would've signed a new long-term contract if TS was still going to be in-charge, especially as he had his conversation with Storrie and the comment on the official web-site regarding AMB is only from Storrie, TS normally doesnt miss a chance to put his two-pennath in! 
    Or less optimistically he is deferring to a CEO because that’s what we demanded 😉
  • DA9
    DA9 Posts: 11,091
    valleynick66 said:
    Redmidland said:
    _MrDick said:
    I just hope he gets the backing in the summer that he and the supporters deserve
    I think this points to having new owners before the end of the season. I dont think Holden would've signed a new long-term contract if TS was still going to be in-charge, especially as he had his conversation with Storrie and the comment on the official web-site regarding AMB is only from Storrie, TS normally doesnt miss a chance to put his two-pennath in! 
    Or less optimistically he is deferring to a CEO because that’s what we demanded 😉
    And what the CEO is paid to do 
  • BigRedEvil
    BigRedEvil Posts: 11,075
    I think this is good news. The initial manager bounce has worn off but that's more down to us having an inadequate squad at this level to challenge near the top on a consistent basis 
  • Davo55
    Davo55 Posts: 7,838
    Have I missed official confirmation of Dean Holden';s new contract? I saw Rich Cawley's tweet yesterday but nothing on the official website. Announcing just before kick off today?

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