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Would you give a new contract into next season
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Talal said:swords_alive said:I think Clare is underrated. He has a football brain but cannot cover every position all at once on his own. If we had several clones of him on the pitch we'd be well on the way to a proper football team.5
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Just Clare.0
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Henry and Hector - yes
Clare - only a 1 year extension at most, if he's happy to play utility back-up and/or bridge to something better long term
The rest - no thanks1 -
Coming round to thinking that Hector might be worth a punt so long as he keeps it up for the rest of the season and is genuinely motivated to stay.1
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Clare - Keep, but would like to see him in midfield at some stage.Inniss - Keep, he’s managing his body better and think with a manager like Holden, mistakes will be fewer.Thomas - Release.Clayden - Release.Henry - Keep. He needs to start playing games and think he’ll be one we regret to lose if he was to choose to leave.Morgan - Release. Think it’s time to let it go. He’s not progressed as we’d like, and he’s not the standard we need. For his career, a move to someone like Orient could be ideal.Gilbey (Currently on loan at Stevenage) - Release. Signing for Stevenage.Bonne - Release.Hector - Keep. He has been solid overall, yet not played for about a year. He would be excellent in this league with a pre-season behind him.2
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But as @LargeAddick mentioned, shipping out players like Kirk, Lavelle and McGrandles is going to be the challenge. You can add DJ to that list as well. And I would say Payne too.
That’s 5 players under contract we need to find a new club for.
Then you have the loanees and the only ones we could have a chance to sign would be Kane and potentially Sessegnon.
It’s a huge job in the summer.3 -
I can't say any of them are favourites.
I'd probably keep Morgan, don't think Hector is that interested in staying and is using this to get back into the game.Clare being a bit marmite might just move on given the opportunity.Squad needs a major overhaul and we won't get it all the time the Sandgaards are involved.0 -
Sage said:But as @LargeAddick mentioned, shipping out players like Kirk, Lavelle and McGrandles is going to be the challenge. You can add DJ to that list as well. And I would say Payne too.
That’s 5 players under contract we need to find a new club for.
Then you have the loanees and the only ones we could have a chance to sign would be Kane and potentially Sessegnon.
It’s a huge job in the summer.3 -
killerandflash said:Sage said:But as @LargeAddick mentioned, shipping out players like Kirk, Lavelle and McGrandles is going to be the challenge. You can add DJ to that list as well. And I would say Payne too.
That’s 5 players under contract we need to find a new club for.
Then you have the loanees and the only ones we could have a chance to sign would be Kane and potentially Sessegnon.
It’s a huge job in the summer.2 -
He's out of contract @ Ipswich in the summer
Edit: Phew, just seen Ipswich have the option of offering him an extension1 - Sponsored links:
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I would say to Morgan, you are just the player we need if you can score 1 in 4, maybe 1 in 5. Might give him next season to show he can do it if he can show some signs in the remaining games.
I'd keep Claire as a right back and a back up for midfield in emergencies.
A big part of next season is going to be the step ups Kanu and Leaburn make.1 -
Clare: This is the toughest one. He is versatile. He can be really good at times. Believe he was linked with Championship clubs in the summer, and after the second half he had last year, you can understand why. But he is also infuriating at times, and doesn't have a natural position he can play well. He relies a lot on his athleticism. I probably wouldn't keep him, but I won't be offended if we do. We will have Egbo, I'm still interested in us maybe trying to sign Kane permanently given his pedigree, and if Clare ends up as 5th choice FB and CB, I'm okay with it.Inniss: No. Shouldn't have resigned him this season. The things he does well, you can find other players at this level who do them well. The things he does poorly make him a liability. By all accounts does some great work in the community, and he should be applauded for that, but I think it's time to move on from him.Thomas: I was quite intrigued by this signing in the summer given he played in the Championship the last two seasons, and he's relatively mobile for his size and decent on the ball. But he didn't have a proper preseason, and as he got up to speed, he immediately got hurt, and then when he came back we had a load of other CBs in his way. Realistically, replacing three CBs, hopefully four if we can get rid of Lavelle, in the summer is going to be tough, so I think you have to keep one of the ones we have who is out of contract. I'd prefer to keep Hector.Clayden: No. Easiest one on this list.Henry: Yes. I am surprised at how many people say no. I think there is a lot of ability there. He should have gone out on loan this season given how many CMs we started the season with. It really cost him a year of development, and I'm worried that we're going to "Albie Morgan" him in that he's too good for the reserves but doesn't play for the first team regularly enough to develop properly. But definitely keep, maybe a 1+1 deal, let him fight for a spot in preseason, and if he doesn't get it, send him on loan.Morgan: No. He has the tools to be a decent player in this league, but I don't know how to get the best out of him. If he stays I won't be outraged, but I just feel like both he and the club need to go their separate ways. I think we've tried a lot of things to get the best out of him, and it hasn't quite worked. I suspect he needs a change of scenery, and the club need to try to stop attempting to solve the Albie Morgan puzzle.Gilbey (Currently on loan at Stevenage): No. Always worked hard but seemed to get worse as time went on. Good luck to him though.Bonne: I wasn't a fan when he was first here, I wasn't a fan when he nearly signed in the summer, but when we signed him in January, I felt it was low risk, high reward given we needed a striker who could stretch defenses and run in behind. He has been as poor on the ball as I remember, and we don't create the types of chances he thrives on. As a change of pace, he makes sense on paper, but I just saw on Twitter he hasn't scored a league goal in something like 14 months. Cheers for bringing in 2m the first time around, Macca.Hector: Keep. There is pedigree there. He hasn't been brilliant, but he hasn't been awful, which he could well have been after not playing football in what, a year? Year and a half? As we saw this summer, replacing a lot of defenders is hard, so I think keeping one of the current crop (in addition to Ness) is required. I would keep Hector, as I think he has far and away the biggest upside.
Kane: Adding him in--I would try to keep him. It's rough luck with the injury, but he's played a lot at Championship level and I believe he's out of contract in the summer, which might make for a convenient marriage all around.1 -
MuttleyCAFC said:I would say to Morgan, you are just the player we need if you can score 1 in 4, maybe 1 in 5. Might give him next season to show he can do it if he can show some signs in the remaining games.
I'd keep Claire as a right back and a back up for midfield in emergencies.
A big part of next season is going to be the step ups Kanu and Leaburn make.0 -
MuttleyCAFC said:I would say to Morgan, you are just the player we need if you can score 1 in 4, maybe 1 in 5. Might give him next season to show he can do it if he can show some signs in the remaining games.
I'd keep Claire as a right back and a back up for midfield in emergencies.
A big part of next season is going to be the step ups Kanu and Leaburn make.
Still think we have to give Clare a couple of games in midfield to see how he does, if Egbo is fit.Would 100% keep Inniss.Ness, Hector & Inniss plus one more signing, with the four of them being able to rotate. Mitchell might be that fourth CB, because he’s looked very good on the couple of occasions I’ve watched him.Think you need a unit like Inniss against the more physical sides. And he can dominate smaller sides like Morecambe (on Tuesday).1 -
Amazes me the amount of people that want to keep Inniss. Mistake after mistake, red card after red card. Surely we can do better.3
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SDAddick said:Clare: This is the toughest one. He is versatile. He can be really good at times. Believe he was linked with Championship clubs in the summer, and after the second half he had last year, you can understand why. But he is also infuriating at times, and doesn't have a natural position he can play well. He relies a lot on his athleticism. I probably wouldn't keep him, but I won't be offended if we do. We will have Egbo, I'm still interested in us maybe trying to sign Kane permanently given his pedigree, and if Clare ends up as 5th choice FB and CB, I'm okay with it.Inniss: No. Shouldn't have resigned him this season. The things he does well, you can find other players at this level who do them well. The things he does poorly make him a liability. By all accounts does some great work in the community, and he should be applauded for that, but I think it's time to move on from him.Thomas: I was quite intrigued by this signing in the summer given he played in the Championship the last two seasons, and he's relatively mobile for his size and decent on the ball. But he didn't have a proper preseason, and as he got up to speed, he immediately got hurt, and then when he came back we had a load of other CBs in his way. Realistically, replacing three CBs, hopefully four if we can get rid of Lavelle, in the summer is going to be tough, so I think you have to keep one of the ones we have who is out of contract. I'd prefer to keep Hector.Clayden: No. Easiest one on this list.Henry: Yes. I am surprised at how many people say no. I think there is a lot of ability there. He should have gone out on loan this season given how many CMs we started the season with. It really cost him a year of development, and I'm worried that we're going to "Albie Morgan" him in that he's too good for the reserves but doesn't play for the first team regularly enough to develop properly. But definitely keep, maybe a 1+1 deal, let him fight for a spot in preseason, and if he doesn't get it, send him on loan.Morgan: No. He has the tools to be a decent player in this league, but I don't know how to get the best out of him. If he stays I won't be outraged, but I just feel like both he and the club need to go their separate ways. I think we've tried a lot of things to get the best out of him, and it hasn't quite worked. I suspect he needs a change of scenery, and the club need to try to stop attempting to solve the Albie Morgan puzzle.Gilbey (Currently on loan at Stevenage): No. Always worked hard but seemed to get worse as time went on. Good luck to him though.Bonne: I wasn't a fan when he was first here, I wasn't a fan when he nearly signed in the summer, but when we signed him in January, I felt it was low risk, high reward given we needed a striker who could stretch defenses and run in behind. He has been as poor on the ball as I remember, and we don't create the types of chances he thrives on. As a change of pace, he makes sense on paper, but I just saw on Twitter he hasn't scored a league goal in something like 14 months. Cheers for bringing in 2m the first time around, Macca.Hector: Keep. There is pedigree there. He hasn't been brilliant, but he hasn't been awful, which he could well have been after not playing football in what, a year? Year and a half? As we saw this summer, replacing a lot of defenders is hard, so I think keeping one of the current crop (in addition to Ness) is required. I would keep Hector, as I think he has far and away the biggest upside.
Kane: Adding him in--I would try to keep him. It's rough luck with the injury, but he's played a lot at Championship level and I believe he's out of contract in the summer, which might make for a convenient marriage all around.
Of the Centre Backs Hector is a must.
Of the others a lot depends on the budget and also whether we will regularly play three at the back. If so I can see a case for keeping Clare , Inniss and Thomas as part of a rotational scenario.
I see Egbo and Kane being good options at Right Back / Right Wing Back depending on who we are playing. We probably need to sign a similar left footed duo to compliment them.1 -
Talal said:Amazes me the amount of people that want to keep Inniss. Mistake after mistake, red card after red card. Surely we can do better.
It’s like Japanese knotweed. I’m surprised no one as advocated for Gilbey yet. Someone will1 -
Clare YESInniss YESThomas NOClayden YESHenry NOMorgan NOGilbey (Currently on loan at Stevenage) NOBonne NOHector YES1
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cabbles said:Talal said:Amazes me the amount of people that want to keep Inniss. Mistake after mistake, red card after red card. Surely we can do better.
It’s like Japanese knotweed. I’m surprised no one as advocated for Gilbey yet. Someone will
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Scoham said:cabbles said:Talal said:Amazes me the amount of people that want to keep Inniss. Mistake after mistake, red card after red card. Surely we can do better.
It’s like Japanese knotweed. I’m surprised no one as advocated for Gilbey yet. Someone will0 - Sponsored links:
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I can’t see Stevenage wanting to keep him. Perhaps Col U as that’s where he started and is from Essex, but I don’t think Garner rated him. Crawley maybe1
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RonnieMoore said:Clare YESInniss YESThomas NOClayden YESHenry NOMorgan NOGilbey (Currently on loan at Stevenage) NOBonne NOHector YES6
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Scoham said:RonnieMoore said:Clare YESInniss YESThomas NOClayden YESHenry NOMorgan NOGilbey (Currently on loan at Stevenage) NOBonne NOHector YES1
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RonnieMoore said:Scoham said:RonnieMoore said:Clare YESInniss YESThomas NOClayden YESHenry NOMorgan NOGilbey (Currently on loan at Stevenage) NOBonne NOHector YES
As a winger, he doesn't seem to have enough pace, trickery, or crossing ability to play there regularly, particularly as a chalk on your roots left winger.
I could see him dropping down a couple of levels, playing for a couple of years, then moving back up the pyramid. He's not atrocious. He's just not a LB, and not good enough to be a winger at this point.0 -
Richard J said:SDAddick said:Clare: This is the toughest one. He is versatile. He can be really good at times. Believe he was linked with Championship clubs in the summer, and after the second half he had last year, you can understand why. But he is also infuriating at times, and doesn't have a natural position he can play well. He relies a lot on his athleticism. I probably wouldn't keep him, but I won't be offended if we do. We will have Egbo, I'm still interested in us maybe trying to sign Kane permanently given his pedigree, and if Clare ends up as 5th choice FB and CB, I'm okay with it.Inniss: No. Shouldn't have resigned him this season. The things he does well, you can find other players at this level who do them well. The things he does poorly make him a liability. By all accounts does some great work in the community, and he should be applauded for that, but I think it's time to move on from him.Thomas: I was quite intrigued by this signing in the summer given he played in the Championship the last two seasons, and he's relatively mobile for his size and decent on the ball. But he didn't have a proper preseason, and as he got up to speed, he immediately got hurt, and then when he came back we had a load of other CBs in his way. Realistically, replacing three CBs, hopefully four if we can get rid of Lavelle, in the summer is going to be tough, so I think you have to keep one of the ones we have who is out of contract. I'd prefer to keep Hector.Clayden: No. Easiest one on this list.Henry: Yes. I am surprised at how many people say no. I think there is a lot of ability there. He should have gone out on loan this season given how many CMs we started the season with. It really cost him a year of development, and I'm worried that we're going to "Albie Morgan" him in that he's too good for the reserves but doesn't play for the first team regularly enough to develop properly. But definitely keep, maybe a 1+1 deal, let him fight for a spot in preseason, and if he doesn't get it, send him on loan.Morgan: No. He has the tools to be a decent player in this league, but I don't know how to get the best out of him. If he stays I won't be outraged, but I just feel like both he and the club need to go their separate ways. I think we've tried a lot of things to get the best out of him, and it hasn't quite worked. I suspect he needs a change of scenery, and the club need to try to stop attempting to solve the Albie Morgan puzzle.Gilbey (Currently on loan at Stevenage): No. Always worked hard but seemed to get worse as time went on. Good luck to him though.Bonne: I wasn't a fan when he was first here, I wasn't a fan when he nearly signed in the summer, but when we signed him in January, I felt it was low risk, high reward given we needed a striker who could stretch defenses and run in behind. He has been as poor on the ball as I remember, and we don't create the types of chances he thrives on. As a change of pace, he makes sense on paper, but I just saw on Twitter he hasn't scored a league goal in something like 14 months. Cheers for bringing in 2m the first time around, Macca.Hector: Keep. There is pedigree there. He hasn't been brilliant, but he hasn't been awful, which he could well have been after not playing football in what, a year? Year and a half? As we saw this summer, replacing a lot of defenders is hard, so I think keeping one of the current crop (in addition to Ness) is required. I would keep Hector, as I think he has far and away the biggest upside.
Kane: Adding him in--I would try to keep him. It's rough luck with the injury, but he's played a lot at Championship level and I believe he's out of contract in the summer, which might make for a convenient marriage all around.
Of the Centre Backs Hector is a must.
Of the others a lot depends on the budget and also whether we will regularly play three at the back. If so I can see a case for keeping Clare , Inniss and Thomas as part of a rotational scenario.
I see Egbo and Kane being good options at Right Back / Right Wing Back depending on who we are playing. We probably need to sign a similar left footed duo to compliment them.
As such, I'd be okay keeping Clare and Hector. I think Hector has the pedigree to be one of the best CBs in the league, and I think Clare can provide cover in different places, and as long as he isn't the first choice RB all season, he should be fine.
If our budget is roughly the same as the summer, then I think keeping Morgan and Thomas comes in to play as well.
Either way, as has been pointed out, we will almost certainly try to move on the likes of Kirk, Lavelle, DJ (is he out of contract?), and maybe McGrandles.
We'll lose JRS and presumably Sess. It'd be great if we could keep Sess but I just think there will be other clubs higher up the pyramid who will take a punt on him if Fulham are ready to sell.
All while fending off interest in Dobbo, Leaburn, and probably Fraser.
It's going to be a busy summer. We have a lot of players to replace, and many places where we need both quality and depth (CB, LB, ST, Winger), which is hard to add all at once in one window.
It's depressing. A lot of people bang on about the lack of money spent, and while they're not wrong in the short term, when you look at who we spent fees on under TS, the list is awful: Lavelle, Kirk, DJ, Stockley, Aneke. Only Fraser has been an unqualified success, though you could probably add Clare in as a success given he didn't cost much.
We could be looking at 10-12 outgoings this summer. And while that's not all bad, you have to replace them.
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Clare Maybe as an emergency squad playerInniss NoThomas NoClayden NoHenry Yes and give him the spot of being a youngster that we try and integrate into the squadMorgan NoGilbey (Currently on loan at Stevenage).NoBonne NoHector Yes, as a squad player
That's if we're serious about promotion.
The side should be
Maynard-Brewer
Egbo New New New
Dobson Fraser New
New Leaburn Blackett-Taylor
Harness (sell Wollacott)
Clare
Ness
Henry
New
Campbell
New
So all in all 7 new players in a 18 man squad (just over a third) but most of them ready made first team players1 -
RonnieMoore said:Scoham said:RonnieMoore said:Clare YESInniss YESThomas NOClayden YESHenry NOMorgan NOGilbey (Currently on loan at Stevenage) NOBonne NOHector YES0
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cabbles said:Talal said:Amazes me the amount of people that want to keep Inniss. Mistake after mistake, red card after red card. Surely we can do better.
It’s like Japanese knotweed. I’m surprised no one as advocated for Gilbey yet. Someone will
Of our current best team were all second choice because we signed better that would be OK wouldn't it?0 -
Clare, Henry & Hector are the only ones I’d keep.
Honestly can’t believe anyone would still want to give Morgan another contract!0 -
sam3110 said:RonnieMoore said:Scoham said:RonnieMoore said:Clare YESInniss YESThomas NOClayden YESHenry NOMorgan NOGilbey (Currently on loan at Stevenage) NOBonne NOHector YES
That's debatable. He had a couple of awful games in that position, worse than Clayden did.0