Former Academy keeper James Beadle - training with England 1st team (p10)

killerandflash said:

I hadn't realised until watching the EFL highlights tonight, that he went on loan to Crewe in January. He's made a few appearances now

Crewe's last five games. He's still only 18 and we certainly would not have been able to send him out on loan to a higher placed club than Crewe had he stayed with us. And he will be on a hell of a lot more money too. Meanwhile, his older brother, Harry has been at Colchester since we released him and played just the one FLT games in that 18 months but has been out on loan at Bishop's Stortford who are currently 2nd in the Isthmian League.  

Athletico Charlton said:

Addick Addict said:

killerandflash said:

I hadn't realised until watching the EFL highlights tonight, that he went on loan to Crewe in January. He's made a few appearances now

Crewe's last five games. He's still only 18 and we certainly would not have been able to send him out on loan to a higher placed club than Crewe had he stayed with us. And he will be on a hell of a lot more money too. Meanwhile, his older brother, Harry has been at Colchester since we released him and played just the one FLT games in that 18 months but has been out on loan at Bishop's Stortford who are currently 2nd in the Isthmian League.  

Isn't the above basically an argument for closing our academy down?  Decent players will get snapped up by the PL for more money and get moaned to teams we would loan them to anyway..?  So what is the point of the continual investment in it.  I am glad many of our academy lads have shown more loyalty and signed contracts with us personally.

But we still got a fee for Beadle so it wasn’t a pointless investment, even if we didn’t get as much as we would have if he’d stayed and developed here 

Athletico Charlton said:

NabySarr said:

Athletico Charlton said:

Addick Addict said:

killerandflash said:

I hadn't realised until watching the EFL highlights tonight, that he went on loan to Crewe in January. He's made a few appearances now

Crewe's last five games. He's still only 18 and we certainly would not have been able to send him out on loan to a higher placed club than Crewe had he stayed with us. And he will be on a hell of a lot more money too. Meanwhile, his older brother, Harry has been at Colchester since we released him and played just the one FLT games in that 18 months but has been out on loan at Bishop's Stortford who are currently 2nd in the Isthmian League.  

Isn't the above basically an argument for closing our academy down?  Decent players will get snapped up by the PL for more money and get moaned to teams we would loan them to anyway..?  So what is the point of the continual investment in it.  I am glad many of our academy lads have shown more loyalty and signed contracts with us personally.

But we still got a fee for Beadle so it wasn’t a pointless investment, even if we didn’t get as much as we would have if he’d stayed and developed here 

The academy costs about £2M a year to run so if we get a free of £3-400k for the best prospect in their year group each year it is a pointless investment.  As I said, thankfully many of our kids have shown more loyalty so we can get better fees for them.

The Beadle family could, perhaps, argue that loyalty is a two way street. Equally, the likes of Pope, Elliott, AMB etc etc didn't make the first team 'til they were 22/23. Keepers don't. So should he stick around for 5 years on a fraction of the money to go out on loan to the same clubs we would have sent him to? There's no guarantee that he would progress to be worth the sort of money we might think he's worth - we got money for Burstow and as I said when some were bellyaching that it wasn't enough, I'm really not sure that we didn't do well out of that deal.

Perhaps, we should follow the Brentford model. But then some of us wouldn't get the satisfaction of knowing that my contribution to Valley Gold over the years has helped those players on their footballing journey. Be they Gomez, Konza, James or Harry Beadle. It's also not just the ones that we sell. It's the ones we let go on frees and the ones that stay with us too. Although if you are a Morgan or Henry there are plenty that would rather you were released. 

killerandflash said:

Yes I really like that we have an academy. It's important for the "soul" of the club, and its place in the community.

However, I would be interested whether it's actually paid its way in recent years, if you exclude players who've joined us aged 16 or over such as Pope, Lookman, Aribo, Ness, Leaburn etc

And effectively we have done to many of those clubs, at a lower level than us, the very thing that we don't like happening to us. The difference is that the compensation that they receive is non existent. 

Addick Addict said:

Athletico Charlton said:

NabySarr said:

Athletico Charlton said:

Addick Addict said:

killerandflash said:

I hadn't realised until watching the EFL highlights tonight, that he went on loan to Crewe in January. He's made a few appearances now

Crewe's last five games. He's still only 18 and we certainly would not have been able to send him out on loan to a higher placed club than Crewe had he stayed with us. And he will be on a hell of a lot more money too. Meanwhile, his older brother, Harry has been at Colchester since we released him and played just the one FLT games in that 18 months but has been out on loan at Bishop's Stortford who are currently 2nd in the Isthmian League.  

Isn't the above basically an argument for closing our academy down?  Decent players will get snapped up by the PL for more money and get moaned to teams we would loan them to anyway..?  So what is the point of the continual investment in it.  I am glad many of our academy lads have shown more loyalty and signed contracts with us personally.

But we still got a fee for Beadle so it wasn’t a pointless investment, even if we didn’t get as much as we would have if he’d stayed and developed here 

The academy costs about £2M a year to run so if we get a free of £3-400k for the best prospect in their year group each year it is a pointless investment.  As I said, thankfully many of our kids have shown more loyalty so we can get better fees for them.

The Beadle family could, perhaps, argue that loyalty is a two way street. Equally, the likes of Pope, Elliott, AMB etc etc didn't make the first team 'til they were 22/23. Keepers don't. So should he stick around for 5 years on a fraction of the money to go out on loan to the same clubs we would have sent him to? There's no guarantee that he would progress to be worth the sort of money we might think he's worth - we got money for Burstow and as I said when some were bellyaching that it wasn't enough, I'm really not sure that we didn't do well out of that deal.

Perhaps, we should follow the Brentford model. But then some of us wouldn't get the satisfaction of knowing that my contribution to Valley Gold over the years has helped those players on their footballing journey. Be they Gomez, Konza, James or Harry Beadle. It's also not just the ones that we sell. It's the ones we let go on frees and the ones that stay with us too. Although if you are a Morgan or Henry there are plenty that would rather you were released. 

The Brentford model will need to change as the Premier League are making it mandatory for all clubs to have an Academy Structure in place. It will cost a lot more I expect for Brentford to set this up from scratch. 

I know the economics are difficult - and the Premier League's Elite Player Performance Plan really skewered the lower league clubs -  but the Academy is the one part of our club that has been consistently excellent over the last 20 years and its something I feel very proud of. Like many others, I enjoy watching the odd Under 18 game and it's great when one of these lads breaks through and really establishes themselves in the first team.

lancashire lad said:

according to our local news here down south Beadle has been picked for the England u20 squad

Yep - I saw the squad in a national paper this week and Beadle is in it.

Oxford United have signed former Charlton Athletic youngster James Beadle on a season-long loan from Brighton & Hove Albion.
https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/former-charlton-youngster-completes-league-one-season-long-loan/

Believe he started in the weekend’s defeat too. Don’t believe he’s covered himself in glory in his first two games.

Shame, my stepsons at the Brighton Academy, seen Beadle there a bit. 
A young keeper on loan is much more of a risk than a player, bit surprised Oxford have gone this route.

It seems that moving to Chelsea is doing his prospects little harm. Called up for the England U21s and Oxford are top of League 1, having won their last 4 matches including beating us (no great achievement admittedly) but also away at Derby and Barnsley. 

Clem_Snide said:

Addick Addict said:

It seems that moving to Chelsea is doing his prospects little harm. Called up for the England U21s and Oxford are top of League 1, having won their last 4 matches including beating us (no great achievement admittedly) but also away at Derby and Barnsley. 

He went to Brighton.

Of course. Chelsea via Brighton. 

Valley Gold draw this week - once a Charlton fan, always a Charlton fan. 

Daily Draws - W/C 09.10.23

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