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Lennie our Undersung Hero
raytreacy69
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Just watching the Carlisle game got me thinking of our 3 promotions up there.My favourite was in 1986.2-0 down and we won 3-2 and carried Lennie around the pitch after the game.That game stands out in the memory as does The Battle of the Bridge,Beating Leeds at St Andrews the stand out other 2 games.Lennie built a wonderful squad and without victory on any of those games…. Well who knows how the story might have been rewritten.
Hopefully we are starting a new chapter for our Wonderful club.But today got me thinking of Lennie
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I've met Lennie a few times and he's undersung possibly to do with his personality, which I wouldn't describe as endearing. I accept that I may have got an incorrect impression every time.1
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Lennie is a Charlton legend. Very easy to forget what he had to work with and what he achieved. Great times.2
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I used to srr him in Bibas in Bromley back in the day.
A true Charlton legend.
As Covered End says he wasn't the easiest to talk to.1 -
He wasn’t the easiest to talk to and I have met him many times.Must have had something about him though in the dressing room to get those teams playing for him in some of our darkest hours0
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Yes you have to love Lennie. Without his efforts it's arguable we'd exist now.
NB If Carlisle go up, I'll certainly be looking for an April or May away fixture there. Surely that would make promotion a certainty?
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Charlton legend but I believe we weren’t a huge amount more than a job to him. Always seemed a nice guy whenever I’ve met him though.7
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Agreed. Don’t think he’s ever been very emotionally attached to us since leaving. Legend nonetheless.DaveMehmet said:Charlton legend but I believe we weren’t a huge amount more than a job to him. Always seemed a nice guy whenever I’ve met him though.1 -
I think the last time I saw Lennie at a supporters club meeting he was promoting his book, possibly autobiography.
He couldn't finish one sentence without saying "in the book".
I felt almost used/dirty at the end.
No warmth at all, just felt like he wanted your money.
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shouldn't it be UNSUNG hero?5
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I think it was a mix of his personality and the way he shuffled off to Boro.5
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He knew our exact circumstances and that we as a club were skint and trying to raise the funds to get back to The Valley , yes he was Middlesbrough boss at the time but he lowballed us with a pathetic £250k bid for Robert Lee trying to play on our desperation for funds to return , so yes the miracles he performed will never be forgotten and for that he is a legend but to me it was an attempted snide move that bit him on the arse as Robert Lee was brilliant value for Newcastle at £750k and definitely took the edge of his hero status .7
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Irrespective of how he left or how he tried to plug his book, his success in getting us to the top division and keeping us there for four years in the most trying of circumstances were pivotal in keeping Charlton alive. The signings of players like Humphrey, Reid, Bolder,Shitliff etc on the cheap was the stuff of genius.13
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Agree.Mametz said:Irrespective of how he left or how he tried to plug his book, his success in getting us to the top division and keeping us there for four years in the most trying of circumstances were pivotal in keeping Charlton alive. The signings of players like Humphrey, Reid, Bolder,Shitliff etc on the cheap was the stuff of genius.1 -
He went on to be an employee of Chrystal Palace. Unforgivable.2
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Always seemed be able to find players who had lost their way a little bit, and then reignited their career at the Valley. The exact opposite of the current “Charltonised” that makes every new player go down hill quickly….3
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He told me once that the secret to successful management was not asking players to do what they were not capable of.
I used to see him now and again at the dogs when he had a runner and found him approachable and easy to chat to. May be a few drinks loosened him up.0 -
I wouldn't have a bad word said about him after what he did for us, particularly at St Andrews.5
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I shared a dressing room for 4 or 5 years with Lennie mid to late 70s and knew him socially at the time.He was a really quiet bloke but was a clever if not a really gifted sportsman and looking back on it he made his shrewdness work for him in management. Not one to get excited in a negative way, not one to go overboard either . Curbs learned a lot from him I'd say.
He was brilliant for Cafc..all things come to an end and you can't blame him for having a career after us and let's face it from being a part time pe teacher at Mallory school/defender for Carshalton to becoming a successful manager I'd say the boy done well13 -
That’s a very good summing up.RaplhMilne said:Always seemed be able to find players who had lost their way a little bit, and then reignited their career at the Valley. The exact opposite of the current “Charltonised” that makes every new player go down hill quickly….0 -
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Without him the Club would have folded.
We have had 3 great Managers in our history who either built the club to its highest status, saved the club or rebuilt the club.
Lennie is one of them and the only one without a stand or anything at the club named after him. IMO totally wrong and disrespectful.7 -
So did Kiely.charltonkeston said:He went on to be an employee of Chrystal Palace. Unforgivable.
Gritty and Jimmy Seed both went to Millwall.
It does not in anyway for me change how great they were for us1 -
And this is the issue with naming things after people - where do you stop? We are only at a point in our history. We haven't reached the end of history.JohnnyH2 said:Without him the Club would have folded.
We have had 3 great Managers in our history who either built the club to its highest status, saved the club or rebuilt the club.
Lennie is one of them and the only one without a stand or anything at the club named after him. IMO totally wrong and disrespectful.
In 100 years time, based on precedent, we'll have had another 3 managers that will have delivered similar transformational performance. We might even have a manager that beats Millwall regularly.
They will all need a stand named after them...
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It does not necessarily have to be a stand, but at presant we have enough room to accommodate these 3 greats.SporadicAddick said:
And this is the issue with naming things after people - where do you stop? We are only at a point in our history. We haven't reached the end of history.JohnnyH2 said:Without him the Club would have folded.
We have had 3 great Managers in our history who either built the club to its highest status, saved the club or rebuilt the club.
Lennie is one of them and the only one without a stand or anything at the club named after him. IMO totally wrong and disrespectful.
In 100 years time, based on precedent, we'll have had another 3 managers that will have delivered similar transformational performance. We might even have a manager that beats Millwall regularly.
They will all need a stand named after them...
It will be a great problem to have when someone else emulates what these 3 achieved for our club0 -
Until then, we’ll make do with the Karel Fraye toilet block.5
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Um, the Karel Fraey toilet duck is already in the Katrien Latrine…Big William said:Until then, we’ll make do with the Karel Fraye toilet block.3 -
Sir Lennie should have been the first to be recognised.JohnnyH2 said:
It does not necessarily have to be a stand, but at presant we have enough room to accommodate these 3 greats.SporadicAddick said:
And this is the issue with naming things after people - where do you stop? We are only at a point in our history. We haven't reached the end of history.JohnnyH2 said:Without him the Club would have folded.
We have had 3 great Managers in our history who either built the club to its highest status, saved the club or rebuilt the club.
Lennie is one of them and the only one without a stand or anything at the club named after him. IMO totally wrong and disrespectful.
In 100 years time, based on precedent, we'll have had another 3 managers that will have delivered similar transformational performance. We might even have a manager that beats Millwall regularly.
They will all need a stand named after them...
It will be a great problem to have when someone else emulates what these 3 achieved for our club3
