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Post-match thread: Charlton Athletic vs Wycombe Wanderers: Saturday 23rd September 2023: KO 3:00
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We’re a definite work in progress in a whole number of different ways, so picking up wins that might not be flattering is really important so that we don’t get ourselves too far behind the play off positions.There’s lots of work to be done with this team, but with additions now on board and if everyone could do a spiritual dance or something that we get a bit of better luck with injuries, there is everything still to play for here16
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I did not, relying on the threads and media to keep me informed as to what's going on. I can't comment on what I haven't seen, which is why I don't. Some posts are more informative than others, and if a player is criticised for underperforming, it helps to be told where they came up short. Delighted with the three points today regardless of how achieved.Covered End said:
I see you've made no comment on the game yourself.swordfish said:
I didn't say he'd be likely to read it on here. I don't use Twitter myself, but I'll bet there's abusive comment on there, although it seems that opinions are divided on here as to how he played today. The marks so far suggest not so good. Thanks for the explanation. 👍Bedsaddick said:
Oh dear. The reason i said he was pony was because his passing was erratic. He looked reluctant to go forward and overall he just looked way out of his depth. Plus point was he wasn't as bad as he was at Stevenage.swordfish said:
Original poster said he was pony. Not why he thought that. Fine if people explain their views but he didn't. Others have. When another poster described him as he as a dickhead, he got annoyed they didn't say why, which I thought a shade hypocritical tbh.Smithy said:
Why are you so against people providing their views on the performance of a player? Nobody is being abusive, nobody is writing him off, they’re just saying what they see.swordfish said:
I'm sure the feedback will be appreciated and prove invaluable to his confidence and development as a Charlton player.Covered End said:
Beds is right.swordfish said:
Why can't you make allowances. 'Abankwah was pony again' could read 'yet to see the best of him in his natural position in a Charlton shirt' but no, abuse it is. Crack on!Bedsaddick said:
Bring the lols on ! Those who gave me them know I’m right they just didn’t have the intelligence to see it ! 😂LargeAddick said:Bedsaddick said:3-1 totally flattered us . Wycombe looked like a decent side . When they equalised there looked like only one team was going to win and it wasn’t us but thanks to a scuffed shot and a brilliant individual goal from CBT, I can go home happy .Still lots of work to do. The right back Abankwah was pony again and when Watson came on to replace him , we looked far more assured .COYR!
Don't know why this got two lol's, was exactly how I saw it.
He was pony last week & pony today.
He may be playing right back instead of right sided centre half, but you wouldn't want him in your Welling/Bromley etc team playing like that.
He's a complete liability & it's not his fault but hopefully he doesn't feature again for some time.
I also believe players are aware of what people post on social media, and saying someone is pony is insulting. He's our player FFS. It's possible to be constructively critical without using one word put downs.
I agree he shouldn't be being played out of position as he looks nervous but to say that me criticising him on here won't do his confidence any good is way over estimating my influence on the player !
Did you watch the game?
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Delighted with the win and really happy about how much influence the last set of substitutions made. Appleton got a lot of credit with me for that.
But for me, he didn't set the team up in the way that suited that team he put out. I feel that it would have had far more threat and balance with Campbell out wide and Leaburn down the middle where they are both more comfortable. The goal even came from those players being in their more natural positions. Both players put in a decent shift, but I just felt we would have been better.
We won so it's all great. Just thought we'd have looked stronger against this Wycombe team with that set up.3 -
ladies and gents, it's up.
Absolutely buzzing with that result, short & sweet; Appleton subs made a difference, CBT is the best winger in this league, Tennai Watson looked rapid, Wycombe couldn't cope with us on the wings (cheers Corey) and on a game that could have swung either way, we took the lead and didn't look back.
COME ON YOU ADDICKS!!!
happy weekend lifers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXdrEYQx6dI
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Have to disagree with that, I think Leaburn is actually much more suited to playing on the right. He’s a big guy but he’s so good with the ball at his feet it sometimes feels like a waste of his talent having his back to the defenders. Give him the ball running towards the opposition and he’s more effective in my opinion.RC_CAFC said:Delighted with the win and really happy about how much influence the last set of substitutions made. Appleton got a lot of credit with me for that.
But for me, he didn't set the team up in the way that suited that team he put out. I feel that it would have had far more threat and balance with Campbell out wide and Leaburn down the middle where they are both more comfortable. The goal even came from those players being in their more natural positions. Both players put in a decent shift, but I just felt we would have been better.
We won so it's all great. Just thought we'd have looked stronger against this Wycombe team with that set up.2 -
And getting the penalty in the previous game.cafctom said:Tedic is one of those players, who in three matches of seeing him, hasn’t touched the ball or done that much besides a scuffed goal.
But there’s just something about him that tells me he’s decent. Can’t put my finger on it.3 -
That certainly was a golden delicious result, for the lads, I hope our season starts now, if we can tighten up on defence and start to keep clean sheets, we might be onto something, 6 points off of the play offs, we just need to keep grinding out results.4
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Thanks, that explains a lot.swordfish said:
I did not, relying on the threads and media to keep me informed as to what's going on. I can't comment on what I haven't seen, which is why I don't. Some posts are more informative than others, and if a player is criticised for underperforming, it helps to be told where they came up short. Delighted with the three points today regardless of how achieved.Covered End said:
I see you've made no comment on the game yourself.swordfish said:
I didn't say he'd be likely to read it on here. I don't use Twitter myself, but I'll bet there's abusive comment on there, although it seems that opinions are divided on here as to how he played today. The marks so far suggest not so good. Thanks for the explanation. 👍Bedsaddick said:
Oh dear. The reason i said he was pony was because his passing was erratic. He looked reluctant to go forward and overall he just looked way out of his depth. Plus point was he wasn't as bad as he was at Stevenage.swordfish said:
Original poster said he was pony. Not why he thought that. Fine if people explain their views but he didn't. Others have. When another poster described him as he as a dickhead, he got annoyed they didn't say why, which I thought a shade hypocritical tbh.Smithy said:
Why are you so against people providing their views on the performance of a player? Nobody is being abusive, nobody is writing him off, they’re just saying what they see.swordfish said:
I'm sure the feedback will be appreciated and prove invaluable to his confidence and development as a Charlton player.Covered End said:
Beds is right.swordfish said:
Why can't you make allowances. 'Abankwah was pony again' could read 'yet to see the best of him in his natural position in a Charlton shirt' but no, abuse it is. Crack on!Bedsaddick said:
Bring the lols on ! Those who gave me them know I’m right they just didn’t have the intelligence to see it ! 😂LargeAddick said:Bedsaddick said:3-1 totally flattered us . Wycombe looked like a decent side . When they equalised there looked like only one team was going to win and it wasn’t us but thanks to a scuffed shot and a brilliant individual goal from CBT, I can go home happy .Still lots of work to do. The right back Abankwah was pony again and when Watson came on to replace him , we looked far more assured .COYR!
Don't know why this got two lol's, was exactly how I saw it.
He was pony last week & pony today.
He may be playing right back instead of right sided centre half, but you wouldn't want him in your Welling/Bromley etc team playing like that.
He's a complete liability & it's not his fault but hopefully he doesn't feature again for some time.
I also believe players are aware of what people post on social media, and saying someone is pony is insulting. He's our player FFS. It's possible to be constructively critical without using one word put downs.
I agree he shouldn't be being played out of position as he looks nervous but to say that me criticising him on here won't do his confidence any good is way over estimating my influence on the player !
Did you watch the game?2 -
He has that x factor you want in any striker: an instinct for movement. He doesn't appear to have much else to his game, but that's the thing you want most. Chuks almost put him through earlier and he knew exactly where and when to move. He's going to look rubbish and score loads of goals. League One Inzaghicafctom said:Tedic is one of those players, who in three matches of seeing him, hasn’t touched the ball or done that much besides a scuffed goal.
But there’s just something about him that tells me he’s decent. Can’t put my finger on it.4 -
It was well hit no doubt about it but it was from outside the box & he just stood & watched it. He just looked flat footed, if the ball is dropping to a player shaping to welly it he should be on his toes. I said he looked dodgy after the millwall friendly though I did say it was early days but suggested maybe that's why he had only played 20 odd games in his league career but got criticised & told that he was outstanding while on loan for barnsley last season. Shame that he didn't sign for Barnsley then.Talal said:
I thought he'd made one at the time but turns out it was blocked. Six games now but there wasn't much he could do today, was never likely to save the goal. Took a few crosses well.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:Still haven't seen Isted make a save. I'm assuming he's getting the nod as his distribution is better than AMB?
3-1 flattered us - Wycombe need some decent forwards.2 - Sponsored links:
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A good win which I wasn’t expecting after their equaliser.
When I arrived at the ground and saw the team sheet, I was looking forward to seeing Miles up top with Alfie, so was disappointed when Miles was out wide.The goal came from Campbell going wide and Miles going into the centre.I understand Apples point about the front 4 being fluid, but let’s give the Miles and May partnership a chance…5 -
The problem I see is you play wider, you make different runs. The naturalness of the position and the space behind and touch line will see him at various points stretching more to get outside, get behind etc. And I see a massive risk of hamstrings and other strains. It’s not a natural position for someone’s his size and stature. @Sage will know more than me on this and I may well be talking rubbish.Smithy said:
Have to disagree with that, I think Leaburn is actually much more suited to playing on the right. He’s a big guy but he’s so good with the ball at his feet it sometimes feels like a waste of his talent having his back to the defenders. Give him the ball running towards the opposition and he’s more effective in my opinion.RC_CAFC said:Delighted with the win and really happy about how much influence the last set of substitutions made. Appleton got a lot of credit with me for that.
But for me, he didn't set the team up in the way that suited that team he put out. I feel that it would have had far more threat and balance with Campbell out wide and Leaburn down the middle where they are both more comfortable. The goal even came from those players being in their more natural positions. Both players put in a decent shift, but I just felt we would have been better.
We won so it's all great. Just thought we'd have looked stronger against this Wycombe team with that set up.
It’s not a negative, Miles is a proper class act with the ball and will be going to a higher level than us very soon.1 -
Basically the approach he took trying to avert Stevenage’s goal the other week too!charltonbob said:
It was well hit no doubt about it but it was from outside the box & he just stood & watched it. He just looked flat footed, if the ball is dropping to a player shaping to welly it he should be on his toes. I said he looked dodgy after the millwall friendly though I did say it was early days but suggested maybe that's why he had only played 20 odd games in his league career but got criticised & told that he was outstanding while on loan for barnsley last season. Shame that he didn't sign for Barnsley.Talal said:
I thought he'd made one at the time but turns out it was blocked. Six games now but there wasn't much he could do today, was never likely to save the goal. Took a few crosses well.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:Still haven't seen Isted make a save. I'm assuming he's getting the nod as his distribution is better than AMB?
3-1 flattered us - Wycombe need some decent forwards.0 -
With the squad we have, despite only "dinosaurs" playing it - we have to play 4-4-2 so we can get CBT, Leaburn and May into the side.
I dream of a commanding goalkeeper and center half in the January transfer window4 -
I think Tedic might have scored (the wonder goal) with his first touch.
Rare to see the referee overrule the assistant (correctly) for that Tyreece corner.
Good and necessary win, and if we win at Shrewsbury next Saturday that will recover two points from our eight point deficit.0 -
I'd like to see Corey and Dobbo sign new deals soon, think that would show real intent that we're working on something long term here9
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Criticism of Isted for their goal is incredibly harsh. I've checked the replay, not only was it a superb strike, but there were 9 players between the keeper and the shot, there's no way he could have even seen it until it was too late to save it.
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I actually thought being in the middle exposed TCs lightweight nature but did well to get an assist - not sure that0
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Ok. Let’s assume that was the reason.Leuth said:What is this bizarre consensus that Hector was rubbish, btw? He defended really quite well? Yeah, he's not the quickest, and he was subbed off because he was exhausted, but he didn't really screw up much except one clearance?
So could you then explain how come our most experienced defender, who had a pre-season, of sorts, is “exhausted” after 65 minutes?3 -
He also having got himself in the pocket slipped two excellent through balls to Mayjams said:I actually thought being in the middle exposed TCs lightweight nature but did well to get an assist - not sure that5 - Sponsored links:
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Some of the negative comments are as always a matter of opinions.
we were the best team overall and yes we did not start the second half as well as the first, however
our new manager did what he is paid for changed three players and went 442, then we improved and we were worthy winners,
also Wycombe were assisted on several occasions by one of the worst referees I have seen here in years, has was a total WANKER 👍👍🤣🤣. COYRs.3 -
The ball went in 2 feet to his left and he did not move. Last week he stood still too when he let one in. Maybe he was unsighted but I genuinely cannot remember a single save he has made since he has been in the side..Covered End said:
What should he have saved?Southbank said:Defence is still porous. The centre backs do not command the area and the boy from Udinese is too raw. Maybe T Watson will make some difference.
But some of our attacking play is very good and we look dangerous going forward. If Appleton can improve the defence we should be able to climb the table.
Oh and although Isted's handling was good he did not make one save. Has he made one since he got in the first team?
He had no chance with the goal.
His handling was very good today and some of his kicking.
But his main job is to make saves.1 -
Possession stat has no bearing on who wins a game but big change after Charlton had 60% Possession in the first half, yet ended up with 48% possession by the end of the match.
My mantra is we have to be fluid in movement after the two wide men and the isolated central striker over the last few years rarely works for Cafc (Jayden and Conor eventually played in a 2) and it was good to see Campbell doing some great work out wide in going past the defender and Leaburn being central and getting his feet correct and taking his chance. Alfie was also attacking the 6 yard box.
I alway like to see strikers work together and with Corey Blackett-Taylor being more consistent and Fraser coming back soon our attacking play at least have lots of possibilities including the Campbells, Kanu, and Tedic.
I did say it would take until Mid September until our results would improve because of the undercooked players and players with injuries and hopefully 2 wins and a draw show the results are improving even if we are still quite a way off from being the real deal.
Good result and positive use of subs.
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I seem to recall a fair few on here calling JRS pony after his first game for us last season!Covered End said:
Beds is right.swordfish said:
Why can't you make allowances. 'Abankwah was pony again' could read 'yet to see the best of him in his natural position in a Charlton shirt' but no, abuse it is. Crack on!Bedsaddick said:
Bring the lols on ! Those who gave me them know I’m right they just didn’t have the intelligence to see it ! 😂LargeAddick said:Bedsaddick said:3-1 totally flattered us . Wycombe looked like a decent side . When they equalised there looked like only one team was going to win and it wasn’t us but thanks to a scuffed shot and a brilliant individual goal from CBT, I can go home happy .Still lots of work to do. The right back Abankwah was pony again and when Watson came on to replace him , we looked far more assured .COYR!
Don't know why this got two lol's, was exactly how I saw it.
He was pony last week & pony today.
He may be playing right back instead of right sided centre half, but you wouldn't want him in your Welling/Bromley etc team playing like that.
He's a complete liability & it's not his fault but hopefully he doesn't feature again for some time.He doesn’t get signed by Udinese and given the plaudits he gets by being pony.
I actually think he did ok in the first half, it was the second half where he struggled. Pony though? Come on, he’s a 19 year old professional, get a grip!15 -
Which is what I said in a previous post. 👍king addick said:
Work in progress is fine but we deserved that win...no more, no less.JamesSeed said:
You can’t expect people not to analyse the game with a critical eye, even after a win. Would be a pretty dull thread if we didn’t. I celebrated Corey’s goal like it was a last second winner, but I still left the Valley thinking we’re very much a work in progress.Valley11 said:We’ve got some proper strange fans. Unbeaten in 3 and a thumping win at home in the sun, and still the little digs and spiteful comments.
Enjoy the win people. We as a fanbase know more than most that when the sun shines you bask in it.0 -
What happened at the Blackwall tunnel , my mrs and couple of the kids were in the car for 2 hours before turning around at gone 3pm .
i was busy playing a cricket friendly with my eldest son skippering for the first time in an adult match .
brilliant scoreline to see , Michael Appletons my man , I have faith in him and a couple of the players .
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It wasn’t ‘we stumbled a bit at the start of the second half’ it was for the first 25/30 minutes at the start of the second half. After they equalised there looked to be only one winner and it wasn’t us.eastterrace6168 said:
What about all of the first half, and 50% of the second half, would you and your 3 friends of been happy with a point then!...we won 3-1, and deserved to be at least 2 up on the balance of play at half time, agreed we stumbled a bit at the start of the second half, but that was the only point in the game that they had any real hold on the game, so no 3-1 didn't flatter us, maybe it flattered Wycombe...now there's another idea...🤔Covered End said:It did flatter us.
4 of us sitting together would all have been happy with a point for most of the 2nd half.1 -
I think we’d all like that but I can’t see it happening. More likely they leave in January or we lose them next summer for nothing. From their point of view I’m sure they will wait to see what league we will be in next season before committing themselves.YannTheMann said:I'd like to see Corey and Dobbo sign new deals soon, think that would show real intent that we're working on something long term here0 -
Totally agree. The kid is trying to settle in. He's been developed as a centre back and now doing his best playing out of position because of our injury/fitness issues.cafc_se7 said:
I seem to recall a fair few on here calling JRS pony after his first game for us last season!Covered End said:
Beds is right.swordfish said:
Why can't you make allowances. 'Abankwah was pony again' could read 'yet to see the best of him in his natural position in a Charlton shirt' but no, abuse it is. Crack on!Bedsaddick said:
Bring the lols on ! Those who gave me them know I’m right they just didn’t have the intelligence to see it ! 😂LargeAddick said:Bedsaddick said:3-1 totally flattered us . Wycombe looked like a decent side . When they equalised there looked like only one team was going to win and it wasn’t us but thanks to a scuffed shot and a brilliant individual goal from CBT, I can go home happy .Still lots of work to do. The right back Abankwah was pony again and when Watson came on to replace him , we looked far more assured .COYR!
Don't know why this got two lol's, was exactly how I saw it.
He was pony last week & pony today.
He may be playing right back instead of right sided centre half, but you wouldn't want him in your Welling/Bromley etc team playing like that.
He's a complete liability & it's not his fault but hopefully he doesn't feature again for some time.He doesn’t get signed by Udinese and given the plaudits he gets by being pony.
I actually think he did ok in the first half, it was the second half where he struggled. Pony though? Come on, he’s a 19 year old professional, get a grip!
And there is a marked difference.
Easier to read the game as a centre back and with hopefully your flanks protected and pretty much everyrhing in front of you ( Or it should be). The move from there to full back feels a much more isolated position, with balls over the top, down the wing, dealing with speedy wingers, or two on one overlaps, etc.
Expecting him to adapt in a couple of weeks at his age is ludicrous. So, let's cut him some slack.
Besides, despite the spite, was he responsible for the only goal against us today?3 -
Out of interest, did you see the game?Major said:
Totally agree. The kid is trying to settle in. He's been developed as a centre back and now doing his best playing out of position because of our injury/fitness issues.cafc_se7 said:
I seem to recall a fair few on here calling JRS pony after his first game for us last season!Covered End said:
Beds is right.swordfish said:
Why can't you make allowances. 'Abankwah was pony again' could read 'yet to see the best of him in his natural position in a Charlton shirt' but no, abuse it is. Crack on!Bedsaddick said:
Bring the lols on ! Those who gave me them know I’m right they just didn’t have the intelligence to see it ! 😂LargeAddick said:Bedsaddick said:3-1 totally flattered us . Wycombe looked like a decent side . When they equalised there looked like only one team was going to win and it wasn’t us but thanks to a scuffed shot and a brilliant individual goal from CBT, I can go home happy .Still lots of work to do. The right back Abankwah was pony again and when Watson came on to replace him , we looked far more assured .COYR!
Don't know why this got two lol's, was exactly how I saw it.
He was pony last week & pony today.
He may be playing right back instead of right sided centre half, but you wouldn't want him in your Welling/Bromley etc team playing like that.
He's a complete liability & it's not his fault but hopefully he doesn't feature again for some time.He doesn’t get signed by Udinese and given the plaudits he gets by being pony.
I actually think he did ok in the first half, it was the second half where he struggled. Pony though? Come on, he’s a 19 year old professional, get a grip!
And there is a marked difference.
Easier to read the game as a centre back and with hopefully your flanks protected and pretty much everyrhing in front of you ( Or it should be). The move from there to full back feels a much more isolated position, with balls over the top, down the wing, dealing with speedy wingers, or two on one overlaps, etc.
Expecting him to adapt in a couple of weeks at his age is ludicrous. So, let's cut him some slack.
Besides, despite the spite, was he responsible for the only goal against us today?
I hope he comes good, but there have been sloppy lapses and poor passes in his 2 games so far.3
