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Fraser and Camera injuries
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Anyone else sick to death of this stupid nickname?Billy_Mix said:
A&Eke was on the field for 25 odd minutes last Saturday. Based on years of experience with him there can't even be a 50% chance he's 50% fit for this Saturday.paulsturgess said:
I mean aneke was fit and played last week so I’d hope hes not already a 50-50 doubt again!Athletico Charlton said:Appletons "we have a couple who are 50/50 for the game" comment maybe in relation to Fraser... and, dare I hope.... Aneke??Can’t wait for him to score the winner in the next couple of games and shut a few people up.41 -
Every manager since Slade has commented on fitness, "standards" and unacceptable things at the training ground when they have taken over. It's gone on so long it's very hard to find a common denominator.Gillis said:alburyaddick said:
I think this is a regular beef of yoursPragueAddick said:
Easy jibe. If Holden had even a half decent replacement on the bench he’d of course have taken him off. Anyway this “foot injury”’ seems not to have occurred during a game, like a lot of our injuries.matt88 said:I feel like that Camara injury was so preventable. The idea that he'd play back-to-back 90 minutes Saturday-Tuesday after having barely played for a year and not had a full pre-season was pretty stupid.You could see in that Bristol Rovers game that he was blowing after an hour but Holden kept him on, and he looked absolutely done in by the last 10 minutes.Thought it was poor management from Holden not to take him off earlier, and we've now lost a very good player for what seems like long term.
Fraser seems to me to be perennially not 100% fit. I can’t remember many games where he maintained influence on the game for anything like the full 90.Methven has said he knows our “performance” dept. needs a major upgrade. I look forward to it happening. Until it does, we will be having the same discussions every bloody week.
is there actually any evidence that our medical team is any worse than anyone else’s
i only hear really good things about Adam Coe and he has outlived loads of managers now - if he was useless at least one of the managers would have got rid of him.Football players get injured that’s because of the high intensity game they play.
But performance encompasses more than medical: it's fitness, conditioning and sports science as well. Appleton has commented on the condition of the players since his arrival.0 -
Remember the good old days* when players with concussion, broken nose or dislocated shoulder were stuck out on the left wing to see out the game.
All for less than £20 a week.
Or Killer being sent out to play after being given multiple injections to "hide" his injury and numb the pain he was in.
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Sadly many ex players in there 60’s and 70’s can no longer remember the good old days.Six-a-bag-of-nuts said:Remember the good old days* when players with concussion, broken nose or dislocated shoulder were stuck out on the left wing to see out the game.
All for less than £20 a week.
Or Killer being sent out to play after being given multiple injections to "hide" his injury and numb the pain he was in.
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ExactlyShrew said:
Sadly many ex players in there 60’s and 70’s can no longer remember the good old days.Six-a-bag-of-nuts said:Remember the good old days* when players with concussion, broken nose or dislocated shoulder were stuck out on the left wing to see out the game.
All for less than £20 a week.
Or Killer being sent out to play after being given multiple injections to "hide" his injury and numb the pain he was in.
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Witb 10 minutes of injury time becoming normal, you can't have all your subs on by the 75th minute and expect to see the game out with 11 uninjured players on the field.TEL said:
I may be wrong, but I think we had used our quota of subs and that's why Fraser stayed on for the remaining minutes. Not a good excuse really as it possibly only exasperated the injury.PragueAddick said:
Easy jibe. If Holden had even a half decent replacement on the bench he’d of course have taken him off. Anyway this “foot injury”’ seems not to have occurred during a game, like a lot of our injuries.matt88 said:I feel like that Camara injury was so preventable. The idea that he'd play back-to-back 90 minutes Saturday-Tuesday after having barely played for a year and not had a full pre-season was pretty stupid.You could see in that Bristol Rovers game that he was blowing after an hour but Holden kept him on, and he looked absolutely done in by the last 10 minutes.Thought it was poor management from Holden not to take him off earlier, and we've now lost a very good player for what seems like long term.
Fraser seems to me to be perennially not 100% fit. I can’t remember many games where he maintained influence on the game for anything like the full 90.Methven has said he knows our “performance” dept. needs a major upgrade. I look forward to it happening. Until it does, we will be having the same discussions every bloody week.0 -
It certainly is, and I make no apologies for it, although at various times I've also said that we may just over-focus on our own team and its injuries because we have no benchmark for judging comparatively how bad it is or has been over periods of time.alburyaddick said:
I think this is a regular beef of yoursPragueAddick said:
Easy jibe. If Holden had even a half decent replacement on the bench he’d of course have taken him off. Anyway this “foot injury”’ seems not to have occurred during a game, like a lot of our injuries.matt88 said:I feel like that Camara injury was so preventable. The idea that he'd play back-to-back 90 minutes Saturday-Tuesday after having barely played for a year and not had a full pre-season was pretty stupid.You could see in that Bristol Rovers game that he was blowing after an hour but Holden kept him on, and he looked absolutely done in by the last 10 minutes.Thought it was poor management from Holden not to take him off earlier, and we've now lost a very good player for what seems like long term.
Fraser seems to me to be perennially not 100% fit. I can’t remember many games where he maintained influence on the game for anything like the full 90.Methven has said he knows our “performance” dept. needs a major upgrade. I look forward to it happening. Until it does, we will be having the same discussions every bloody week.
is there actually any evidence that our medical team is any worse than anyone else’s
i only hear really good things about Adam Coe and he has outlived loads of managers now - if he was useless at least one of the managers would have got rid of him.Football players get injured that’s because of the high intensity game they play.
And then along comes Charlie Methven to confirm that it really is a problem. Now I'm no CM cheer-leader, but he is quite good at benchmarking the "business's" performance against the "competition". With some benchmarks, the basic financials, he'll have got hold of the EFL syndicated data. I have no idea whether any such data is supplied by clubs for benchmarking incidence ofs injuries. I kind of doubt it, but if it does exist it will be very P&C. Otherwise he'll have gone for a more qualitative evaluation of our situation based on his "I know everyone in the game" claim. Which to be fair, will give him insights none of us have. And there, he's said it. Now I'm waiting for him to do something about it.
To end on a more optimistic note, there is one player that they seem to have sorted out in close-season: Corey Blackett-Taylor. He's been doing the full 100 minutes, whereas up to now he's been one of those that Curbs would say can't do the full 90. Maybe he himself takes the credit, I don't know. Maybe it's been partly work on his mental approach - I was hugely impressed with him stepping up to take that pen last week. Now, if he keeps up this sustained level of performance, for full games, most of the season, that is a major upgrade on last year. I want to see the same from Fraser. Like CBT, he's a Champ player if he fully deploys his skills for a whole game, in most of our games.5 -
Fraser still not even making the 18, then….1
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And we have injured another one in the week!PragueAddick said:Fraser still not even making the 18, then….1 -
Yeah kind of bored of all the shite nicknames.Covered_End_Lad said:
Anyone else sick to death of this stupid nickname?Billy_Mix said:
A&Eke was on the field for 25 odd minutes last Saturday. Based on years of experience with him there can't even be a 50% chance he's 50% fit for this Saturday.paulsturgess said:
I mean aneke was fit and played last week so I’d hope hes not already a 50-50 doubt again!Athletico Charlton said:Appletons "we have a couple who are 50/50 for the game" comment maybe in relation to Fraser... and, dare I hope.... Aneke??Can’t wait for him to score the winner in the next couple of games and shut a few people up.
A&Eke, Mansfield etc. They were funny for a fleeting moment, but like all jokes they've gone on too long.7 - Sponsored links:
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Weren't you Mr Rak-Leko all last season?Dazzler21 said:
Yeah kind of bored of all the shite nicknames.Covered_End_Lad said:
Anyone else sick to death of this stupid nickname?Billy_Mix said:
A&Eke was on the field for 25 odd minutes last Saturday. Based on years of experience with him there can't even be a 50% chance he's 50% fit for this Saturday.paulsturgess said:
I mean aneke was fit and played last week so I’d hope hes not already a 50-50 doubt again!Athletico Charlton said:Appletons "we have a couple who are 50/50 for the game" comment maybe in relation to Fraser... and, dare I hope.... Aneke??Can’t wait for him to score the winner in the next couple of games and shut a few people up.
A&Eke, Mansfield etc. They were funny for a fleeting moment, but like all jokes they've gone on too long.5 -
Yep. It was a bad joke that I started to use seriously, but quickly it became used ironically because it was clear how much better Rak Sakyi was than LekoTalal said:
Weren't you Mr Rak-Leko all last season?Dazzler21 said:
Yeah kind of bored of all the shite nicknames.Covered_End_Lad said:
Anyone else sick to death of this stupid nickname?Billy_Mix said:
A&Eke was on the field for 25 odd minutes last Saturday. Based on years of experience with him there can't even be a 50% chance he's 50% fit for this Saturday.paulsturgess said:
I mean aneke was fit and played last week so I’d hope hes not already a 50-50 doubt again!Athletico Charlton said:Appletons "we have a couple who are 50/50 for the game" comment maybe in relation to Fraser... and, dare I hope.... Aneke??Can’t wait for him to score the winner in the next couple of games and shut a few people up.
A&Eke, Mansfield etc. They were funny for a fleeting moment, but like all jokes they've gone on too long.9 -
It was noticeable today against Wycombe how more often Charlton players were on the floor receiving treatment, and on two occasions from WW players, compared to Wycombe players.
Maybe bad luck on the day, but the fitnes/conditioning/physio team at Charlton needs to take some responsibility for the injury record in recent seasons.0 -
Dazzler21 said:
Yeah kind of bored of all the shite nicknames.Covered_End_Lad said:
Anyone else sick to death of this stupid nickname?Billy_Mix said:
A&Eke was on the field for 25 odd minutes last Saturday. Based on years of experience with him there can't even be a 50% chance he's 50% fit for this Saturday.paulsturgess said:
I mean aneke was fit and played last week so I’d hope hes not already a 50-50 doubt again!Athletico Charlton said:Appletons "we have a couple who are 50/50 for the game" comment maybe in relation to Fraser... and, dare I hope.... Aneke??Can’t wait for him to score the winner in the next couple of games and shut a few people up.
A&Eke, Mansfield etc. They were funny for a fleeting moment, but like all jokes they've gone on too long.
I know right, all that Cheat code, The beast and he's a league one *insert ridiculous world famous Brazilian player reference* bollocks1 -
This reminds me of the Aussie cricket team's stance on "banter". 10/10 for trying!Dazzler21 said:
Yep. It was a bad joke that I started to use seriously, but quickly it became used ironically because it was clear how much better Rak Sakyi was than LekoTalal said:
Weren't you Mr Rak-Leko all last season?Dazzler21 said:
Yeah kind of bored of all the shite nicknames.Covered_End_Lad said:
Anyone else sick to death of this stupid nickname?Billy_Mix said:
A&Eke was on the field for 25 odd minutes last Saturday. Based on years of experience with him there can't even be a 50% chance he's 50% fit for this Saturday.paulsturgess said:
I mean aneke was fit and played last week so I’d hope hes not already a 50-50 doubt again!Athletico Charlton said:Appletons "we have a couple who are 50/50 for the game" comment maybe in relation to Fraser... and, dare I hope.... Aneke??Can’t wait for him to score the winner in the next couple of games and shut a few people up.
A&Eke, Mansfield etc. They were funny for a fleeting moment, but like all jokes they've gone on too long.0 -
Scottish PirloCL_Phantom said:Dazzler21 said:
Yeah kind of bored of all the shite nicknames.Covered_End_Lad said:
Anyone else sick to death of this stupid nickname?Billy_Mix said:
A&Eke was on the field for 25 odd minutes last Saturday. Based on years of experience with him there can't even be a 50% chance he's 50% fit for this Saturday.paulsturgess said:
I mean aneke was fit and played last week so I’d hope hes not already a 50-50 doubt again!Athletico Charlton said:Appletons "we have a couple who are 50/50 for the game" comment maybe in relation to Fraser... and, dare I hope.... Aneke??Can’t wait for him to score the winner in the next couple of games and shut a few people up.
A&Eke, Mansfield etc. They were funny for a fleeting moment, but like all jokes they've gone on too long.
I know right, all that Cheat code, The beast and he's a league one *insert ridiculous world famous Brazilian player reference* bollocks1 -
Noticed the club referring to Tedic as "Teddy".
I wonder what other real nicknames the player's use.
I imagine most are just shortened versions of their names that are easy to shout during the game.0 -
T.Watson is called TwentyB in the dressing room, no honestly.Henry Irving said:Noticed the club referring to Tedic as "Teddy".
I wonder what other real nicknames the player's use.
I imagine most are just shortened versions of their names that are easy to shout during the game.4 - Sponsored links:
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What I noticed was how much less the physios are on the pitch since the 30 second rule. Seems to be working.Arthur_Trudgill said:It was noticeable today against Wycombe how more often Charlton players were on the floor receiving treatment, and on two occasions from WW players, compared to Wycombe players.
Maybe bad luck on the day, but the fitnes/conditioning/physio team at Charlton needs to take some responsibility for the injury record in recent seasons.1 -
What's the 30 second rule?Southbank said:
What I noticed was how much less the physios are on the pitch since the 30 second rule. Seems to be working.Arthur_Trudgill said:It was noticeable today against Wycombe how more often Charlton players were on the floor receiving treatment, and on two occasions from WW players, compared to Wycombe players.
Maybe bad luck on the day, but the fitnes/conditioning/physio team at Charlton needs to take some responsibility for the injury record in recent seasons.
I did read it but forgotten.1 -
If you get treated by the physio, you have to go off the field for 30 seconds before coming back onCovered End said:
What's the 30 second rule?Southbank said:
What I noticed was how much less the physios are on the pitch since the 30 second rule. Seems to be working.Arthur_Trudgill said:It was noticeable today against Wycombe how more often Charlton players were on the floor receiving treatment, and on two occasions from WW players, compared to Wycombe players.
Maybe bad luck on the day, but the fitnes/conditioning/physio team at Charlton needs to take some responsibility for the injury record in recent seasons.
I did read it but forgotten.3 -
Officials get a lot of stick, but keeping up with new and everchanging rules makes life more difficult than it already is.killerandflash said:
If you get treated by the physio, you have to go off the field for 30 seconds before coming back onCovered End said:
What's the 30 second rule?Southbank said:
What I noticed was how much less the physios are on the pitch since the 30 second rule. Seems to be working.Arthur_Trudgill said:It was noticeable today against Wycombe how more often Charlton players were on the floor receiving treatment, and on two occasions from WW players, compared to Wycombe players.
Maybe bad luck on the day, but the fitnes/conditioning/physio team at Charlton needs to take some responsibility for the injury record in recent seasons.
I did read it but forgotten.0 -
Some responsibility, I imagine that's fair.Arthur_Trudgill said:It was noticeable today against Wycombe how more often Charlton players were on the floor receiving treatment, and on two occasions from WW players, compared to Wycombe players.
Maybe bad luck on the day, but the fitnes/conditioning/physio team at Charlton needs to take some responsibility for the injury record in recent seasons.
I guess what none of us know is how much poor football management and cost saving initiatives contributed through players being asked to play when they shouldn't have been and whether effective/best treatments couldn't be accessed or used for long enough.2 -
Yep, I hate it. But it's still only second in stupid cl nicknamesCovered_End_Lad said:
Anyone else sick to death of this stupid nickname?Billy_Mix said:
A&Eke was on the field for 25 odd minutes last Saturday. Based on years of experience with him there can't even be a 50% chance he's 50% fit for this Saturday.paulsturgess said:
I mean aneke was fit and played last week so I’d hope hes not already a 50-50 doubt again!Athletico Charlton said:Appletons "we have a couple who are 50/50 for the game" comment maybe in relation to Fraser... and, dare I hope.... Aneke??Can’t wait for him to score the winner in the next couple of games and shut a few people up.
the winner....Mansfield for DJ. Terrible!!!!?3 -
If you drop a chip on the floor, that's how long you have to pick it up and eat itCovered End said:
What's the 30 second rule?Southbank said:
What I noticed was how much less the physios are on the pitch since the 30 second rule. Seems to be working.Arthur_Trudgill said:It was noticeable today against Wycombe how more often Charlton players were on the floor receiving treatment, and on two occasions from WW players, compared to Wycombe players.
Maybe bad luck on the day, but the fitnes/conditioning/physio team at Charlton needs to take some responsibility for the injury record in recent seasons.
I did read it but forgotten.5 -
Talk about inflation, it wasn’t that long ago, it was 5 seconds.Todds_right_hook said:
If you drop a chip on the floor, that's how long you have to pick it up and eat itCovered End said:
What's the 30 second rule?Southbank said:
What I noticed was how much less the physios are on the pitch since the 30 second rule. Seems to be working.Arthur_Trudgill said:It was noticeable today against Wycombe how more often Charlton players were on the floor receiving treatment, and on two occasions from WW players, compared to Wycombe players.
Maybe bad luck on the day, but the fitnes/conditioning/physio team at Charlton needs to take some responsibility for the injury record in recent seasons.
I did read it but forgotten.0 -
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