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Paul Elliott and Steve Sutherland guest at Bromley Addicks on Thursday 5 October.
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I've been in the museum all day (Paul Elliott popped in as did plenty of others, very busy) but I'll type more notes when I have time, probably Sunday or Monday8
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Taken over, you’re not wrong.addickson said:l
Feel that this issue has kinda taken over - point is that you can be sure that the Bromley Addicks won't skirt issues and I'd thoroughly recommend attending any future events if you can 🙂Henry Irving said:
Thanks,addickson said:
The point was that at least the question was raised and TK named by Ben, and I for one appreciate that he did that in a public forum, but as for the SMT, actions not words...T_C_E said:Davo55 said:I hope someone raised the point about a bullying culture.
Still hearing positive comments, trusting in the new guys and their procedures (why wouldn't I ?)
Individual responsible playing the normal game, being seen as the nice guy, super efficient (or was that effluent) etc
Quite rightly a director and a manager would not discuss a serious allegation made against a named member of staff in public but I linked the bullying to Paul's mentions of culture and to his role regarding mental health. I also pointed out the business imperative of not losing good staff or staff not being as productive as possible due to a bullying culture.
I think Steve was slightly miffed as he said that as soon as he joined people on social were saying "are you going to sort out the bullying?" which isn't his role but he did say that it wouldn't have been tolerated when Varney was in charge.
Over 3 years ago, I asked Nathan “What’s up mate”
I was never going to drop it because it was “my football club”
When the club is promoting Mentalhealth awareness and long term staff are leaving to protect their Mentalhealth questions should be asked and answered.
Hopefully the new guys will answer them, we shall see?3 -
Our posts crossed there! Hope you feel better soon @T_C_E - having been involved in the politics of football at Dumbarton, I'm acutely aware that it's very dispiriting if people accuse you of not asking the challenging question when you know that even if you do that in any public forum you won't receive a decisive reply, simply because it would be inappropriate to do so there.T_C_E said:
Sorry if my comment was misleading, I trying to add what I was told a week or so ago obviously rather clumsily.addickson said:
The point was that at least the question was raised and TK named by Ben, and I for one appreciate that he did that in a public forum, but as for the SMT, actions not words...T_C_E said:Davo55 said:I hope someone raised the point about a bullying culture.
Still hearing positive comments, trusting in the new guys and their procedures (why wouldn't I ?)
Individual responsible playing the normal game, being seen as the nice guy, super efficient (or was that effluent) etc
Had I have been well enough to travel up, I'd have asked the question too.
If Ben named this horrible individual during his question, that's even better the more publicity to his antics the better.
Ben's always been there with advice and his area of expertise has been more than helpful when I needed it.
I tried to support those that needed it when I could and probably got that wrong sometimes too, like you said "action not words" is what's needed.
Arranging a meeting with the then owner, listening to his BS and promises remains in my head, if he was to promise what he did to his then staff, what is going to say to win over the punters (fans)
It's now known that I asked to speak to him at The Valley purely ask him to comment and he declined to meet me, because he was "Busy"
He's also denied knowing anything of fans attending SE9 to answer police questions despite his name being on official court documents of the fans that refused to sign the
" I promise not to say upsetting things or call him Burger Boy" so he's a liar as well.
Since hearing what I heard a week or so ago, I left it to the employment experts at the club to see how it plays out but its certainly not forgotten and if the new ownership let their staff/former staff down then we/I will pick it up again.
So I shouldn't have made comment about a "politicians" answer in the first place - I'm so confused 🤣🤪
What I would say is that I'm glad that the likes of you and Ben put your head above the parapet, I got sick of it at Dumbarton to my shame. I wish I could just ignore the politics of football and just go and watch a game - but I wouldn't have been drawn to Charlton without the back story of the return to the Valley. Damned if you do...8 -
Like I’ve said before, it could’ve been a child or staff member at a school, a resident or carer at a Care home, it happened to be a Groundsman at my football club who broke down and told me he was being bullied!addickson said:
Our posts crossed there! Hope you feel better soon @T_C_E - having been involved in the politics of football at Dumbarton, I'm acutely aware that it's very dispiriting if people accuse you of not asking the challenging question when you know that even if you do that in any public forum you won't receive a decisive reply, simply because it would be inappropriate to do so there.T_C_E said:
Sorry if my comment was misleading, I trying to add what I was told a week or so ago obviously rather clumsily.addickson said:
The point was that at least the question was raised and TK named by Ben, and I for one appreciate that he did that in a public forum, but as for the SMT, actions not words...T_C_E said:Davo55 said:I hope someone raised the point about a bullying culture.
Still hearing positive comments, trusting in the new guys and their procedures (why wouldn't I ?)
Individual responsible playing the normal game, being seen as the nice guy, super efficient (or was that effluent) etc
Had I have been well enough to travel up, I'd have asked the question too.
If Ben named this horrible individual during his question, that's even better the more publicity to his antics the better.
Ben's always been there with advice and his area of expertise has been more than helpful when I needed it.
I tried to support those that needed it when I could and probably got that wrong sometimes too, like you said "action not words" is what's needed.
Arranging a meeting with the then owner, listening to his BS and promises remains in my head, if he was to promise what he did to his then staff, what is going to say to win over the punters (fans)
It's now known that I asked to speak to him at The Valley purely ask him to comment and he declined to meet me, because he was "Busy"
He's also denied knowing anything of fans attending SE9 to answer police questions despite his name being on official court documents of the fans that refused to sign the
" I promise not to say upsetting things or call him Burger Boy" so he's a liar as well.
Since hearing what I heard a week or so ago, I left it to the employment experts at the club to see how it plays out but its certainly not forgotten and if the new ownership let their staff/former staff down then we/I will pick it up again.
So I shouldn't have made comment about a "politicians" answer in the first place - I'm so confused 🤣🤪
What I would say is that I'm glad that the likes of you and Ben put your head above the parapet, I got sick of it at Dumbarton to my shame. I wish I could just ignore the politics of football and just go and watch a game - but I wouldn't have been drawn to Charlton without the back story of the return to the Valley. Damned if you do...I’ve been told, “no one’s interested” “it’s boring” “stop s*it stirring”
I’d rather stop attending football than not listen to someone struggling at work because their complaints of bullying are not taken seriously or someone tearfully telling me on the phone they want to leave to protect their health but have bills to pay.Bullying is wrong on so many levels but walking away because “it’s not my problem “ is criminal.17 -
@TCE, keep it going, bullying has NO place in any employment. It's time its was wiped out at our club! Don't give up mate!
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This ⬆️Redmidland said:@TCE, keep it going, bullying has NO place in any employment. It's time its was wiped out at our club! Don't give up mate!4 -
Won't quote Henry's whole post for obvious reasons but what do all those initials stand for in PEs role?0
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EDI =Equality, Diversity & inclusion.CSR = Corporate social responsibility
ESG= Environment, social & governance
I believe.7 -
Just read this for the first time, written by Steve Sutherland-
https://www.valleygold.org.uk/2019/08/20/valley-gold-celebrates-30-years/
Quite enlightening i thought..
I was actually trying to find out the name of the commercial manager Steve succeeded; friendly northern chap with Preston North End connections, but no luck so far..0 -
Wayne Doreswords_alive said:Just read this for the first time, written by Steve Sutherland-
https://www.valleygold.org.uk/2019/08/20/valley-gold-celebrates-30-years/
Quite enlightening i thought..
I was actually trying to find out the name of the commercial manager Steve succeeded; friendly northern chap with Preston North End connections, but no luck so far..1 - Sponsored links:
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Thank you @johnnyh2JohnnyH2 said:
Wayne Doreswords_alive said:Just read this for the first time, written by Steve Sutherland-
https://www.valleygold.org.uk/2019/08/20/valley-gold-celebrates-30-years/
Quite enlightening i thought..
I was actually trying to find out the name of the commercial manager Steve succeeded; friendly northern chap with Preston North End connections, but no luck so far..1 -
Author of the article has made me smile1
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Often I would see him in Bromley. Charlton to the core he is.Rock Spectacle said:Author of the article has made me smile0
