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England vs Italy - Euro 2024 Qualifier - KO @ 7:45pm - C4
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Exiled_Addick said:What's perhaps more impressive is, right now, if you're picking a world XI, which is obviously hugely subjective, I think 3 or 4 English players are legitimate considerations for that team - not saying you'd pick them all - but I don't think anyone would say you are mad to have them as potential inclusions.
I think we have a habit of seeing English players as better and more indispensible than they really were. We are a bit biased after all.
I dont think Bellingham and Kane is about bias this time.2 -
Manic_mania said:Exiled_Addick said:What's perhaps more impressive is, right now, if you're picking a world XI, which is obviously hugely subjective, I think 3 or 4 English players are legitimate considerations for that team - not saying you'd pick them all - but I don't think anyone would say you are mad to have them as potential inclusions.
I think we have a habit of seeing English players as better and more indispensible than they really were. We are a bit biased after all.
I dont think Bellingham and Kane is about bias this time.
John Terry made the World XI at FIFA awards several times. Beckham was 2nd in World Player of the Year twice, nearly won it one of those, Lampard came second another year in that and the Ballon d'Or, Gerrard 3rd, Shearer 2nd or 3rd around Euro 96.
But I feel like Bellingham could be better than all of them.
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North Lower Neil said:Manic_mania said:Exiled_Addick said:What's perhaps more impressive is, right now, if you're picking a world XI, which is obviously hugely subjective, I think 3 or 4 English players are legitimate considerations for that team - not saying you'd pick them all - but I don't think anyone would say you are mad to have them as potential inclusions.
I think we have a habit of seeing English players as better and more indispensible than they really were. We are a bit biased after all.
I dont think Bellingham and Kane is about bias this time.
John Terry made the World XI at FIFA awards several times. Beckham was 2nd in World Player of the Year twice, nearly won it one of those, Lampard came second another year in that and the Ballon d'Or, Gerrard 3rd, Shearer 2nd or 3rd around Euro 96.
But I feel like Bellingham could be better than all of them.
At any stage of their respective careers?
Not on your nelly
Thats England bias mate. sorry.
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Manic_mania said:North Lower Neil said:Manic_mania said:Exiled_Addick said:What's perhaps more impressive is, right now, if you're picking a world XI, which is obviously hugely subjective, I think 3 or 4 English players are legitimate considerations for that team - not saying you'd pick them all - but I don't think anyone would say you are mad to have them as potential inclusions.
I think we have a habit of seeing English players as better and more indispensible than they really were. We are a bit biased after all.
I dont think Bellingham and Kane is about bias this time.
John Terry made the World XI at FIFA awards several times. Beckham was 2nd in World Player of the Year twice, nearly won it one of those, Lampard came second another year in that and the Ballon d'Or, Gerrard 3rd, Shearer 2nd or 3rd around Euro 96.
But I feel like Bellingham could be better than all of them.
At any stage of their respective careers?
Not on your nelly
Thats England bias mate. sorry.4 -
North Lower Neil said:Manic_mania said:North Lower Neil said:Manic_mania said:Exiled_Addick said:What's perhaps more impressive is, right now, if you're picking a world XI, which is obviously hugely subjective, I think 3 or 4 English players are legitimate considerations for that team - not saying you'd pick them all - but I don't think anyone would say you are mad to have them as potential inclusions.
I think we have a habit of seeing English players as better and more indispensible than they really were. We are a bit biased after all.
I dont think Bellingham and Kane is about bias this time.
John Terry made the World XI at FIFA awards several times. Beckham was 2nd in World Player of the Year twice, nearly won it one of those, Lampard came second another year in that and the Ballon d'Or, Gerrard 3rd, Shearer 2nd or 3rd around Euro 96.
But I feel like Bellingham could be better than all of them.
At any stage of their respective careers?
Not on your nelly
Thats England bias mate. sorry.0 -
Manic_mania said:North Lower Neil said:Manic_mania said:North Lower Neil said:Manic_mania said:Exiled_Addick said:What's perhaps more impressive is, right now, if you're picking a world XI, which is obviously hugely subjective, I think 3 or 4 English players are legitimate considerations for that team - not saying you'd pick them all - but I don't think anyone would say you are mad to have them as potential inclusions.
I think we have a habit of seeing English players as better and more indispensible than they really were. We are a bit biased after all.
I dont think Bellingham and Kane is about bias this time.
John Terry made the World XI at FIFA awards several times. Beckham was 2nd in World Player of the Year twice, nearly won it one of those, Lampard came second another year in that and the Ballon d'Or, Gerrard 3rd, Shearer 2nd or 3rd around Euro 96.
But I feel like Bellingham could be better than all of them.
At any stage of their respective careers?
Not on your nelly
Thats England bias mate. sorry.
The FIFA one is chosen by international journalists, international team's managers, and international team's captains.
The World XI is chosen by all professional men's and women's footballers.
So yeah, to answer your question, I think our international friends would definitely have picked those players in their World XIs. Because they did.9 -
fair play mate i got it wrong then.1
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Manic_mania said:Exiled_Addick said:What's perhaps more impressive is, right now, if you're picking a world XI, which is obviously hugely subjective, I think 3 or 4 English players are legitimate considerations for that team - not saying you'd pick them all - but I don't think anyone would say you are mad to have them as potential inclusions.
I think we have a habit of seeing English players as better and more indispensible than they really were. We are a bit biased after all.
I dont think Bellingham and Kane is about bias this time.
Weirdly, two of the best players in the Premier League right now are Norwegian, but Scotland of all teams have qualified ahead of Norway.0 -
Laddick01 said:Replaces Henderson and starts Foden. Wow.
Wonder if Southgate feels a bit under pressure.0 -
Exiled_Addick said:Manic_mania said:Exiled_Addick said:What's perhaps more impressive is, right now, if you're picking a world XI, which is obviously hugely subjective, I think 3 or 4 English players are legitimate considerations for that team - not saying you'd pick them all - but I don't think anyone would say you are mad to have them as potential inclusions.
I think we have a habit of seeing English players as better and more indispensible than they really were. We are a bit biased after all.
I dont think Bellingham and Kane is about bias this time.
Weirdly, two of the best players in the Premier League right now are Norwegian, but Scotland of all teams have qualified ahead of Norway.0 - Sponsored links:
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That was a really decent performance by England. Moved the ball quickly and having the x factor of Bellingham cannot be underplayed, he is well on his way to making a claim for the best footballer on the planet.
Italy don't get beaten by 2 goal margins as a rule and to do that coming from behind against an Italy side isn't to be sniffed at regardless of who is in the squad
For me the next tournament has to be the one we win, I said after France beat us at the mickey mouse world cup we were 2 thirds of the way up the mountain and I genuinely believe in Bellingham we are fortunate enough to have a genuine match winner to support our other crucial, essential player in Kane.3 -
A few points.
Every other country's fans are biased, though few have as many cynics as we do in England.
Every country's commentators are biased, many far more biased than ours.
Bellingham will get injured in April. Probably by a player who will be up against us in Germany.
VAR is shit.
Sam 3110 has gone very quiet.
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Took my lad to the match last night, decent match and glad I took the day off today.One thing though, when we arrived they were interviewing Trevor Sinclair on the pitch, call me old fashioned but when the FA are (rightfully so) being strong on the likes of Black Lives Matter and Kick Racism out etc is it really advisable to be putting a man who was convicted of racially abusing a policeman front and centre there?2
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Carter said:That was a really decent performance by England. Moved the ball quickly and having the x factor of Bellingham cannot be underplayed, he is well on his way to making a claim for the best footballer on the planet.
Italy don't get beaten by 2 goal margins as a rule and to do that coming from behind against an Italy side isn't to be sniffed at regardless of who is in the squad
For me the next tournament has to be the one we win, I said after France beat us at the mickey mouse world cup we were 2 thirds of the way up the mountain and I genuinely believe in Bellingham we are fortunate enough to have a genuine match winner to support our other crucial, essential player in Kane.
Apart from that we're really strong at the moment.
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buckshee said:Took my lad to the match last night, decent match and glad I took the day off today.One thing though, when we arrived they were interviewing Trevor Sinclair on the pitch, call me old fashioned but when the FA are (rightfully so) being strong on the likes of Black Lives Matter and Kick Racism out etc is it really advisable to be putting a man who was convicted of racially abusing a policeman front and centre there?0
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North Lower Neil said:Carter said:That was a really decent performance by England. Moved the ball quickly and having the x factor of Bellingham cannot be underplayed, he is well on his way to making a claim for the best footballer on the planet.
Italy don't get beaten by 2 goal margins as a rule and to do that coming from behind against an Italy side isn't to be sniffed at regardless of who is in the squad
For me the next tournament has to be the one we win, I said after France beat us at the mickey mouse world cup we were 2 thirds of the way up the mountain and I genuinely believe in Bellingham we are fortunate enough to have a genuine match winner to support our other crucial, essential player in Kane.
Apart from that we're really strong at the movement.
I'm a natural pessimist with football and there is plenty of time before the tournament. Hopefully Maguire gets loaned abroad for 6 months to get some mileage in his legs1 -
Manic_mania said:I don't think i've ever known less players by name in an Italian team in my lifetime - I think maybe 4 of them ring a bell?2
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Wellred said:3-1 to us Come On England0
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Cafc43v3r said:Callumcafc said:Not only did Bellingham take a couple of Italian players out of the picture with his go go gadget leg, he continued his run after laying it off to Rashford.His movement made a couple of defenders step towards the right at the perfect time for Rashford to cut inside and get a clear sight at goal. And Rashford gave the keeper no chance.0
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Laddick01 said:How long has it been since England have had arguably the current 'best player in the world' ?0
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With my half Italian hat on, they have no pace and not enough goal threat. When you look at the riches England have in that respect, they may be a bit envious. I think they will scrape through though and they can always bore their way to success.
I was pleased for Rashford. He is off form but that goal may have helped him find some again. At his best he can be unplayable. I would have taken him off before that so that is a positive. Phillips should have come off sooner, he is not that important to the team where we could risk that second yellow and he probably should have got one in the second half.2 -
MuttleyCAFC said:With my half Italian hat on, they have no pace and not enough goal threat. When you look at the riches England have in that respect, they may be a bit envious. I think they will scrape through though and they can always bore their way to success.
I was pleased for Rashford. He is off form but that goal may have helped him find some again. At his best he can be unplayable. I would have taken him off before that so that is a positive.0 -
Manic_mania said:fair play mate i got it wrong then.0
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Looking back, I don’t think it was our best performance by any means. Poorest game I’ve seen Rice have, and the left side of Rashford and Trippier got overran first half. Then a couple of tweaks and regroup at HT and second half was so much better.2
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It's funny that there's a big discussion here around individuals, when the thing I really like about the current England team is that we have a system that numerous players can fit into. Kane would be deeply missed and Bellingham is a step up, but that team is stacked with options and when players are interchanged it doesn't unduly affect the quality.
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Manic_mania said:how the fuck did Zola only get 35 games for Italy.0
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thickandthin63 said:Manic_mania said:how the fuck did Zola only get 35 games for Italy.0
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cafcdave123 said:thickandthin63 said:Manic_mania said:how the fuck did Zola only get 35 games for Italy.1
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cafcdave123 said:thickandthin63 said:Manic_mania said:how the fuck did Zola only get 35 games for Italy.1
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thickandthin63 said:Manic_mania said:how the fuck did Zola only get 35 games for Italy.0