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RIP Henry Kissinger

Algarveaddick
Algarveaddick Posts: 21,156
edited November 2023 in Not Sports Related
The controversial US statesman had died aged 100. RIP  

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  • Six-a-bag-of-nuts
    Six-a-bag-of-nuts Posts: 8,127
    No offence but it's Kissinger
  • Algarveaddick
    Algarveaddick Posts: 21,156
    Six-a-bag-of-nuts said:
    No offence but it's Kissinger
    None taken - amended accordingly... 
  • soapy_jones
    soapy_jones Posts: 21,358
    100 years of pure living.  RIP
  • usetobunkin
    usetobunkin Posts: 2,187
    Mr K and Jean Kirkpatrick were very anti-English. 

  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,643
    Big Statesman in his day. Said to have cried along with Nixon on the Presidents last night in office. 

    RIP
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,231
    edited November 2023
    The Jewish refugee from Nazi Germany is/was and will alway be a marmite character around the Globe.
    If you are Secretary of state and national security advisor to Republican Presidents in Nixon and Ford, it's fairly obvious what your remit is. 
    Realpolitik really doesn't tell the contrast between carpet bombing Cambodia,  supporting Pinochet and his army to defeat Allende with the killing and disappearance ot thousands of Chileans. In South America (and elsewhere) the USA elected government would always go with my enemy's enemy is our best friend and let off the right wing murderers and torturers. The CIA would alway pay a visit to encourage.

    Yet Détente with the Russians and an easing of tensions with China on his watch; at least for a short time while there were enough bombs to destroy the world. 

    Born Heinz Kissinger 27/5/23 there were many varieties to this man and it depends where you stand if you hate or love.
  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,356
    War criminal
  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,643
    usetobunkin said:
    Mr K and Jean Kirkpatrick were very anti-English. 

    from the (previously banned) Falklands Play she was dining at the Argentinian Embassy the day The Falklands were invaded. 
  • Bedsaddick
    Bedsaddick Posts: 24,759

     It'll be bloody hot where he is now. 

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  • LargeAddick
    LargeAddick Posts: 32,593
    I always find if you have nothing nice to say it’s better not saying anything at all on such threads.
  • Major
    Major Posts: 1,027
    LargeAddick said:
    I always find if you have nothing nice to say it’s better not saying anything at all on such threads.
    Fair enough, Large. I won't say anything.   >:)
  • LargeAddick
    LargeAddick Posts: 32,593
    Major said:
    LargeAddick said:
    I always find if you have nothing nice to say it’s better not saying anything at all on such threads.
    Fair enough, Large. I won't say anything.   >:)
    Me neither.
  • Garrymanilow
    Garrymanilow Posts: 13,176
    Bedsaddick said:

     It'll be bloody hot where he is now. 
    Not hot enough
  • Redskin
    Redskin Posts: 3,117
    edited December 2023
    LargeAddick said:
    I always find if you have nothing nice to say it’s better not saying anything at all on such threads.
    Soft censorship?
    War criminal and nothing less.
  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    Kissinger liked (proper) football, and after attending a match over here sometime, he opined ‘How like the British to make profanity musical’.
  • SDAddick
    SDAddick Posts: 14,468
    Leuth said:
    RIP to all his victims
    I wondered if I would regret opening this thread, and I didn't. Glad he is seen for what he was.

    I wasn't a big Anthony Bourdain guy, but I'm sad he didn't live to celebrate this day.
  • Wheresmeticket
    Wheresmeticket Posts: 17,304
    edited December 2023
    Taken too late. Wealthy wicked men die in their beds at an old age.
  • SDAddick
    SDAddick Posts: 14,468
    Jessie said:
    LargeAddick said:
    I always find if you have nothing nice to say it’s better not saying anything at all on such threads.
    It shouldn't be like that. If not for all the comments referring to what a "war criminal" he was, I wouldn't have known about it at all because here he was extremely highly regarded.
    I won't get too deep into this: but Nixon and Kissenger "normalizing" relations with Communist China is one of the things that somewhat complicates their legacy. It is a good thing, and they did what a lot of others either wouldn't or couldn't.

    Now, that does not make up for Loas, Cambodia, Vietnam, Chile, Iran, and so on. Not even a little bit. But it is noteworthy.

    I also recently learned that Nixon went back to China after he was President just to like, hang out. I guess he like genuinely got on well with some of the CCP leaders, which is weird both because Dick Nixon could be a very offputting man, and because he was an old school red baiter. 

    Anyway, I think there are people for whom the whole "if you don't have anything nice to say..." applies when they die. But my grandmother kvetching about how we didn't call her enough isn't really in the same league as one of (if not the) worst war criminals of the 20th century. That's the guy where you should remember him exactly for who he was. With my grandma, we tried to focus more on her excellent Matzo Ball soup recipe (and, weirdly enough, the fact that she was very pro-integration, but that's another story).

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