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January 2024 Transfer Rumours (D/day starts pg.263)
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To add to the above. Scott appointed Holden, surely what he wants a squad to look like was discussed in his interview? This mess all goes back to Scott, he’s appointed 2 poor managers and signed a load of rubbish. If it wasn’t for Holden and Storey bringing in Jones and May imagine where we’d be now?10
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I hope Gillesphey is just centre back cover and not also competition with Edun, need a real attacking full back. Ethan Bristow would’ve been my choice but he’s already gone Stockport.0
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we need 2 first choice full backs, neither Watson or Edun are good enough - both are poor defensively (especially Edun) and neither are good going forward8
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Need to remember (sorry if this sounds harsh) that Holden was a very limited manager and a bit of a people pleaser/ yes-man.
No manager in the world would be happy with a smaller squad and younger one at that. A pure recipe for disaster, I imagine he said that to keep the board happy as he was given a golden ticket getting a job here.
I am amazed how often I see fans suggest he gets jobs elsewhere and find it rather telling he hasn't landed a gig yet. I would take things Holden said with a pinch of salt.
This club and squad being decimated has sod all to do with Holden. It has everything to do with the conmen and chancers who got their grubby little hands on our fantastic club.
The proof will be in the pudding if we are going to have a good window. I see the same posts every year and although I am sure the posters mean well, I don't trust the people giving them the Intel.
I already have my bingo card of soundbites from the club ready to go for deadine day. I will be immeasurably happy to be proven wrong on my scepticism20 -
What position do you think we would be in the table if we had a good manager?NabySarr said:To add to the above. Scott appointed Holden, surely what he wants a squad to look like was discussed in his interview? This mess all goes back to Scott, he’s appointed 2 poor managers and signed a load of rubbish. If it wasn’t for Holden and Storey bringing in Jones and May imagine where we’d be now?
And if Jones and May are good enough players to keep us from a relegation battle as I believe you are suggesting where do you think we would be if we got two new players of similar quality in?
I only ask as it feels like we all make very simplistic observations all the time, but in reality I just feel like there is so much complexity going on.1 -
"“We’ve got our targets” said Holden. “Andy Scott (technical director) and the recruitment team will be dealing with them type of things."DubaiCAFC said:
Go look at the interviews back end of last season… Holden was the one coming out saying he wanted a younger smaller squad…SELR_addicks said:
Passing the buck of course. Squad building isn't down to Holden.DubaiCAFC said:
Lot of this now is down to Holden, he wanted a young small squad.. now we have a few injuries, Appleton left to pick it up.mart77 said:
Where have we heard this before?!DubaiCAFC said:This window will be very busy, the idea is to get as many bedded this season for next year. But let’s see what happens. Action speaks loud than words!
Thanks for dropping on what you know Dubai. It’ll be one thing signing some ‘good’ players but if the wrong man is at the helm then it could all be pointless as we change him further down the line.
But sure saves Scott and Methven from any kind of criticism, which you have a habit of doing since they've taken over (and before too).
"“We’re working as hard as we can. Of course we’d like to have more players in but, at the same time, it’s important we keep going. We’ve got a period of time in the transfer window. What’s most important is what we look like at the end of the transfer window, making sure we have got a squad that can really attack the rest of this League One season.”"
Dated 19th August. He knew what he'd been stuck with. Sound like a man happy with his 'younger smaller squad'?6 -
Surely, with the season all but dead as the proverbial parrot, Scott should be getting players in now that can gel over the next 4 months and then add a few in the summer. A statement of intent needs to be put down, to try, and it'll be hard, to entice people to buy ST"s for next season.
So let's get half a dozen quality experienced and fit players in NOW, and try to get some positivity back in the club. If he can't do that....then he needs to fuck off!
So does the geezer from Plymouth fit the bill? I know sod all about him!
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Both of those signed whilst Scott was in the door at SE7Elthamaddick said:we need 2 first choice full backs, neither Watson or Edun are good enough - both are poor defensively (especially Edun) and neither are good going forward
The only two decent ones in the door since Scott’s 2nd go last January at transfers is L Watson and Appleton will not give him a start plus Chem Campbell who is finally getting a run
Maybe Wolves had a word with Scott to say play him or we recall him. Your choice0 -
Sorry to play devils advocate, but if you’re just picking quotes, you do know we got 5 players in after the 19th right?SELR_addicks said:Sound like a man happy with his 'younger smaller squad'?
"“We’ve got our targets” said Holden. “Andy Scott (technical director) and the recruitment team will be dealing with them type of things."DubaiCAFC said:
Go look at the interviews back end of last season… Holden was the one coming out saying he wanted a younger smaller squad…SELR_addicks said:
Passing the buck of course. Squad building isn't down to Holden.DubaiCAFC said:
Lot of this now is down to Holden, he wanted a young small squad.. now we have a few injuries, Appleton left to pick it up.mart77 said:
Where have we heard this before?!DubaiCAFC said:This window will be very busy, the idea is to get as many bedded this season for next year. But let’s see what happens. Action speaks loud than words!
Thanks for dropping on what you know Dubai. It’ll be one thing signing some ‘good’ players but if the wrong man is at the helm then it could all be pointless as we change him further down the line.
But sure saves Scott and Methven from any kind of criticism, which you have a habit of doing since they've taken over (and before too).
"“We’re working as hard as we can. Of course we’d like to have more players in but, at the same time, it’s important we keep going. We’ve got a period of time in the transfer window. What’s most important is what we look like at the end of the transfer window, making sure we have got a squad that can really attack the rest of this League One season.”"
Dated 19th August. He knew what he'd been stuck with.
He mentions that the most important thing is how we look at the end of the window. Do we have any quotes from him then?2 -
Exactly. It was such a disappointment when his shortcoming were revealed, because he seemed to connect very well with fans, (although perhaps tried too hard?)Braziliance said:Need to remember (sorry if this sounds harsh) that Holden was a very limited manager and a bit of a people pleaser/ yes man.
He did warn us in that early interview where he said something along the lines of ‘I don’t do tactics’.1 -
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TS gave Holden the contractNabySarr said:To add to the above. Scott appointed Holden, surely what he wants a squad to look like was discussed in his interview? This mess all goes back to Scott, he’s appointed 2 poor managers and signed a load of rubbish. If it wasn’t for Holden and Storey bringing in Jones and May imagine where we’d be now?1 -
Would any manager come out with quotes after a window saying their squad is terrible and we need more reinforcements?FishCostaFortune said:
Sorry to play devils advocate, but if you’re just picking quotes, you do know we got 5 players in after the 19th right?SELR_addicks said:Sound like a man happy with his 'younger smaller squad'?
"“We’ve got our targets” said Holden. “Andy Scott (technical director) and the recruitment team will be dealing with them type of things."DubaiCAFC said:
Go look at the interviews back end of last season… Holden was the one coming out saying he wanted a younger smaller squad…SELR_addicks said:
Passing the buck of course. Squad building isn't down to Holden.DubaiCAFC said:
Lot of this now is down to Holden, he wanted a young small squad.. now we have a few injuries, Appleton left to pick it up.mart77 said:
Where have we heard this before?!DubaiCAFC said:This window will be very busy, the idea is to get as many bedded this season for next year. But let’s see what happens. Action speaks loud than words!
Thanks for dropping on what you know Dubai. It’ll be one thing signing some ‘good’ players but if the wrong man is at the helm then it could all be pointless as we change him further down the line.
But sure saves Scott and Methven from any kind of criticism, which you have a habit of doing since they've taken over (and before too).
"“We’re working as hard as we can. Of course we’d like to have more players in but, at the same time, it’s important we keep going. We’ve got a period of time in the transfer window. What’s most important is what we look like at the end of the transfer window, making sure we have got a squad that can really attack the rest of this League One season.”"
Dated 19th August. He knew what he'd been stuck with.
He mentions that the most important thing is how we look at the end of the window. Do we have any quotes from him then?
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I don’t think we’d be much better off tbh, the 2 managers have both had their hands tied behind their backs. At least in Holden’s run he was changing things around and trying to find a way to get the best out of what he had to work with, Appleton has shown no sign of that. Appleton isn’t the biggest problem we have, far from it, but I just don’t have any faith that he is part of the solution eitherFishCostaFortune said:
What position do you think we would be in the table if we had a good manager?NabySarr said:To add to the above. Scott appointed Holden, surely what he wants a squad to look like was discussed in his interview? This mess all goes back to Scott, he’s appointed 2 poor managers and signed a load of rubbish. If it wasn’t for Holden and Storey bringing in Jones and May imagine where we’d be now?
And if Jones and May are good enough players to keep us from a relegation battle as I believe you are suggesting where do you think we would be if we got two new players of similar quality in?
I only ask as it feels like we all make very simplistic observations all the time, but in reality I just feel like there is so much complexity going on.
I don’t think 2 players of Jones/May quality is enough, that would probably be enough to steer us safely into 10th-12th with players returning from injury also. If we are serious about next season we probably need 6-8 new players of that level4 -
Watson was MOM yesterday he was excellent ,, Edun is very good player but was not helped again yesterday with CBT not tracking the full back and leaving Edun with two men to mark …Elthamaddick said:we need 2 first choice full backs, neither Watson or Edun are good enough - both are poor defensively (especially Edun) and neither are good going forward
we finally have two very good young full backs even wing backs if MA plays his favoured 3 at the back .. who will get better and better7 -
Blaming there own man now are they?DubaiCAFC said:
Lot of this now is down to Holden, he wanted a young small squad.. now we have a few injuries, Appleton left to pick it up.mart77 said:
Where have we heard this before?!DubaiCAFC said:This window will be very busy, the idea is to get as many bedded this season for next year. But let’s see what happens. Action speaks loud than words!
Thanks for dropping on what you know Dubai. It’ll be one thing signing some ‘good’ players but if the wrong man is at the helm then it could all be pointless as we change him further down the line.
Andy Scott created this mess. My bet is it will probably get messier.
And then I suppose it will be blamed on Appleton11 -
Scott interviewed and appointed him though. He was Scott’s choiceRonnieMoore said:
TS gave Holden the contractNabySarr said:To add to the above. Scott appointed Holden, surely what he wants a squad to look like was discussed in his interview? This mess all goes back to Scott, he’s appointed 2 poor managers and signed a load of rubbish. If it wasn’t for Holden and Storey bringing in Jones and May imagine where we’d be now?5 -
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Blaming there own man now are they?DubaiCAFC said:
Lot of this now is down to Holden, he wanted a young small squad.. now we have a few injuries, Appleton left to pick it up.mart77 said:
Where have we heard this before?!DubaiCAFC said:This window will be very busy, the idea is to get as many bedded this season for next year. But let’s see what happens. Action speaks loud than words!
Thanks for dropping on what you know Dubai. It’ll be one thing signing some ‘good’ players but if the wrong man is at the helm then it could all be pointless as we change him further down the line.
Andy Scott created this mess. My bet is it will probably get messier.
And then I suppose it will be blamed on Appleton
Why do you continually seem to be the vessel by which these useless ownership regime's communicate?
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Holden came in as part of the SE7 group (Scott, Warwick, Rodwell) back in December 2022RonnieMoore said:
TS gave Holden the contractNabySarr said:To add to the above. Scott appointed Holden, surely what he wants a squad to look like was discussed in his interview? This mess all goes back to Scott, he’s appointed 2 poor managers and signed a load of rubbish. If it wasn’t for Holden and Storey bringing in Jones and May imagine where we’d be now?
Sandgaard and Storrie were in control when they gave Holden an extension on his contract back in March
https://www.charltonafc.com/news/manager-dean-holden-pens-long-term-contract
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Tedic, Abankwah, L Watson, T Watson and C Campbell.FishCostaFortune said:
Sorry to play devils advocate, but if you’re just picking quotes, you do know we got 5 players in after the 19th right?SELR_addicks said:Sound like a man happy with his 'younger smaller squad'?
"“We’ve got our targets” said Holden. “Andy Scott (technical director) and the recruitment team will be dealing with them type of things."DubaiCAFC said:
Go look at the interviews back end of last season… Holden was the one coming out saying he wanted a younger smaller squad…SELR_addicks said:
Passing the buck of course. Squad building isn't down to Holden.DubaiCAFC said:
Lot of this now is down to Holden, he wanted a young small squad.. now we have a few injuries, Appleton left to pick it up.mart77 said:
Where have we heard this before?!DubaiCAFC said:This window will be very busy, the idea is to get as many bedded this season for next year. But let’s see what happens. Action speaks loud than words!
Thanks for dropping on what you know Dubai. It’ll be one thing signing some ‘good’ players but if the wrong man is at the helm then it could all be pointless as we change him further down the line.
But sure saves Scott and Methven from any kind of criticism, which you have a habit of doing since they've taken over (and before too).
"“We’re working as hard as we can. Of course we’d like to have more players in but, at the same time, it’s important we keep going. We’ve got a period of time in the transfer window. What’s most important is what we look like at the end of the transfer window, making sure we have got a squad that can really attack the rest of this League One season.”"
Dated 19th August. He knew what he'd been stuck with.
He mentions that the most important thing is how we look at the end of the window. Do we have any quotes from him then?
How many of them actually have added something to our season? Maybe one.2 -
Get 3-5 of real quality this window then the same in the early summer and we might be able to start next season properly rather than 10 games in with shite loans and freebies that no one else wanted6
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Did he say his squad was terrible? Or are you just fitting his quote into matching your narrative which is a habit you very much have.SELR_addicks said:
Would any manager come out with quotes after a window saying their squad is terrible and we need more reinforcements?FishCostaFortune said:
Sorry to play devils advocate, but if you’re just picking quotes, you do know we got 5 players in after the 19th right?SELR_addicks said:Sound like a man happy with his 'younger smaller squad'?
"“We’ve got our targets” said Holden. “Andy Scott (technical director) and the recruitment team will be dealing with them type of things."DubaiCAFC said:
Go look at the interviews back end of last season… Holden was the one coming out saying he wanted a younger smaller squad…SELR_addicks said:
Passing the buck of course. Squad building isn't down to Holden.DubaiCAFC said:
Lot of this now is down to Holden, he wanted a young small squad.. now we have a few injuries, Appleton left to pick it up.mart77 said:
Where have we heard this before?!DubaiCAFC said:This window will be very busy, the idea is to get as many bedded this season for next year. But let’s see what happens. Action speaks loud than words!
Thanks for dropping on what you know Dubai. It’ll be one thing signing some ‘good’ players but if the wrong man is at the helm then it could all be pointless as we change him further down the line.
But sure saves Scott and Methven from any kind of criticism, which you have a habit of doing since they've taken over (and before too).
"“We’re working as hard as we can. Of course we’d like to have more players in but, at the same time, it’s important we keep going. We’ve got a period of time in the transfer window. What’s most important is what we look like at the end of the transfer window, making sure we have got a squad that can really attack the rest of this League One season.”"
Dated 19th August. He knew what he'd been stuck with.
He mentions that the most important thing is how we look at the end of the window. Do we have any quotes from him then?
Im not saying you are wrong, but the only actual evidence we have from Holden’s mouth is he wanted a smaller squad. I know he did that interview recently - does he mention anything about what he thinks about the squad he was given then?
I agree with this on the whole.NabySarr said:
I don’t think we’d be much better off tbh, the 2 managers have both had their hands tied behind their backs. At least in Holden’s run he was changing things around and trying to find a way to get the best out of what he had to work with, Appleton has shown no sign of that. Appleton isn’t the biggest problem we have, far from it, but I just don’t have any faith that he is part of the solution eitherFishCostaFortune said:
What position do you think we would be in the table if we had a good manager?NabySarr said:To add to the above. Scott appointed Holden, surely what he wants a squad to look like was discussed in his interview? This mess all goes back to Scott, he’s appointed 2 poor managers and signed a load of rubbish. If it wasn’t for Holden and Storey bringing in Jones and May imagine where we’d be now?
And if Jones and May are good enough players to keep us from a relegation battle as I believe you are suggesting where do you think we would be if we got two new players of similar quality in?
I only ask as it feels like we all make very simplistic observations all the time, but in reality I just feel like there is so much complexity going on.
I don’t think 2 players of Jones/May quality is enough, that would probably be enough to steer us safely into 10th-12th with players returning from injury also. If we are serious about next season we probably need 6-8 new players of that level1 -
Plymouth ITK saying Holden has got an interview with them!7
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Has any manager in living history come out and said a transfer window was poor while still being employed?FishCostaFortune said:
Did he say his squad was terrible? Or are you just fitting his quote into matching your narrative which is a habit you very much have.SELR_addicks said:
Would any manager come out with quotes after a window saying their squad is terrible and we need more reinforcements?FishCostaFortune said:
Sorry to play devils advocate, but if you’re just picking quotes, you do know we got 5 players in after the 19th right?SELR_addicks said:Sound like a man happy with his 'younger smaller squad'?
"“We’ve got our targets” said Holden. “Andy Scott (technical director) and the recruitment team will be dealing with them type of things."DubaiCAFC said:
Go look at the interviews back end of last season… Holden was the one coming out saying he wanted a younger smaller squad…SELR_addicks said:
Passing the buck of course. Squad building isn't down to Holden.DubaiCAFC said:
Lot of this now is down to Holden, he wanted a young small squad.. now we have a few injuries, Appleton left to pick it up.mart77 said:
Where have we heard this before?!DubaiCAFC said:This window will be very busy, the idea is to get as many bedded this season for next year. But let’s see what happens. Action speaks loud than words!
Thanks for dropping on what you know Dubai. It’ll be one thing signing some ‘good’ players but if the wrong man is at the helm then it could all be pointless as we change him further down the line.
But sure saves Scott and Methven from any kind of criticism, which you have a habit of doing since they've taken over (and before too).
"“We’re working as hard as we can. Of course we’d like to have more players in but, at the same time, it’s important we keep going. We’ve got a period of time in the transfer window. What’s most important is what we look like at the end of the transfer window, making sure we have got a squad that can really attack the rest of this League One season.”"
Dated 19th August. He knew what he'd been stuck with.
He mentions that the most important thing is how we look at the end of the window. Do we have any quotes from him then?
Im not saying you are wrong, but the only actual evidence we have from Holden’s mouth is he wanted a smaller squad. I know he did that interview recently - does he mention anything about what he thinks about the squad he was given then?
I agree with this on the whole.NabySarr said:
I don’t think we’d be much better off tbh, the 2 managers have both had their hands tied behind their backs. At least in Holden’s run he was changing things around and trying to find a way to get the best out of what he had to work with, Appleton has shown no sign of that. Appleton isn’t the biggest problem we have, far from it, but I just don’t have any faith that he is part of the solution eitherFishCostaFortune said:
What position do you think we would be in the table if we had a good manager?NabySarr said:To add to the above. Scott appointed Holden, surely what he wants a squad to look like was discussed in his interview? This mess all goes back to Scott, he’s appointed 2 poor managers and signed a load of rubbish. If it wasn’t for Holden and Storey bringing in Jones and May imagine where we’d be now?
And if Jones and May are good enough players to keep us from a relegation battle as I believe you are suggesting where do you think we would be if we got two new players of similar quality in?
I only ask as it feels like we all make very simplistic observations all the time, but in reality I just feel like there is so much complexity going on.
I don’t think 2 players of Jones/May quality is enough, that would probably be enough to steer us safely into 10th-12th with players returning from injury also. If we are serious about next season we probably need 6-8 new players of that level
Holden is not responsible for the summer, Scott is. You know, the man that appointed Holden in the first place.
"What’s most important is what we look like at the end of the transfer window, making sure we have got a squad that can really attack the rest of this League One season.”"" - Sounds to me like he didn't think his squad was good enough to me. He was proved correct.
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Holden's sacking was announced on 27 August so 8 days later and had been speculated to have happened before that.FishCostaFortune said:
Sorry to play devils advocate, but if you’re just picking quotes, you do know we got 5 players in after the 19th right?SELR_addicks said:Sound like a man happy with his 'younger smaller squad'?
"“We’ve got our targets” said Holden. “Andy Scott (technical director) and the recruitment team will be dealing with them type of things."DubaiCAFC said:
Go look at the interviews back end of last season… Holden was the one coming out saying he wanted a younger smaller squad…SELR_addicks said:
Passing the buck of course. Squad building isn't down to Holden.DubaiCAFC said:
Lot of this now is down to Holden, he wanted a young small squad.. now we have a few injuries, Appleton left to pick it up.mart77 said:
Where have we heard this before?!DubaiCAFC said:This window will be very busy, the idea is to get as many bedded this season for next year. But let’s see what happens. Action speaks loud than words!
Thanks for dropping on what you know Dubai. It’ll be one thing signing some ‘good’ players but if the wrong man is at the helm then it could all be pointless as we change him further down the line.
But sure saves Scott and Methven from any kind of criticism, which you have a habit of doing since they've taken over (and before too).
"“We’re working as hard as we can. Of course we’d like to have more players in but, at the same time, it’s important we keep going. We’ve got a period of time in the transfer window. What’s most important is what we look like at the end of the transfer window, making sure we have got a squad that can really attack the rest of this League One season.”"
Dated 19th August. He knew what he'd been stuck with.
He mentions that the most important thing is how we look at the end of the window. Do we have any quotes from him then?
So he wasn't here at the end of the window to comment but Scott, who is said to have overall control, was.
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Absolutely bizarre 😂PWADDICK said:Plymouth ITK saying Holden has got an interview with them!
Their fans seem delighted with the link..1 -
DubaiCAFC said:Along with the MG we have put in bids for CM who we have been liked with previously, plus a winger who is 23 years old, has been extremely highly rated, but had a couple of years dip, it is hoped we can get him going. If we can, would be an outstanding signing.
Wow. Jadon Sancho will be a huge statement of intent TBF.13 -
Holden did quite well at Bristol City then was hit by a huge injury crisis. He did quite well here but then didn’t have a squad to start the season with. Be shocked if he got a championship job but his record isn’t that bad reallyBraziliance said:
Absolutely bizarre 😂PWADDICK said:Plymouth ITK saying Holden has got an interview with them!
Their fans seem delighted with the link..4 -
Wellens?0
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Just seen that Sarmiento has been recalled by Brighton after his West Brom loan was ended - Heart lifted for a moment, only to then read in the same tweet that he's off to Ipswich
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Sarimento to Ipswich is one hell of a signing I have to admit. He's looked excellent for West Brom.5
