New Tv series (REMEMBER: No Spoilers)

Jints said:

Wilma said:

Mr Bates vs the Post Office on ITV is good but is making me angry! Even if you know the background to the scandal it's well worth a watch.  I've only watched the first two episodes and I've learnt more about the story than I already knew. 

Very good but not good for my blood pressure

Hopefully it will catapult those responsible into the general publics attention. I think its one of the greatest corruptions of our time how innocent people were persecuted and sent to prison yet those accountable (as per fucking usual) walked away 

I want to watch but think I'll blow a gasket if I do 

Fargo Season 5 - outstanding 

By mistake last night , instead of Mr Bates, I watched on catch -up the Real Story doc. that ITV have made to go alongside the series. It features interviews with Alan Bates and some of the others. I was so effing  angry that i was easy meat for the 38 Degrees petition. Paula Vennells the CEO “left” the Post Office and next year picked up a CBE. Can you effing believe that, well yes I expect you can… Anyway Alan Bates  was awarded an OBE but refuses to accept it until Vennells is stripped of hers. Thats what the 38 Degrees petition demands. When I signed it last night it was on 30,000. I just got another mail from them (after watching episode 1) and its now on 247,000. Here you go, people. Sign it for Alan Bates…

https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/strip-paula-vennells-of-her-cbe?utm_source=email&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=blast43900

PragueAddick said:

By mistake last night , instead of Mr Bates, I watched on catch -up the Real Story doc. that ITV have made to go alongside the series. It features interviews with Alan Bates and some of the others. I was so effing  angry that i was easy meat for the 38 Degrees petition. Paula Vennells the CEO “left” the Post Office and next year picked up a CBE. Can you effing believe that, well yes I expect you can… Anyway Alan Bates  was awarded an OBE but refuses to accept it until Vennells is stripped of hers. Thats what the 38 Degrees petition demands. When I signed it last night it was on 30,000. I just got another mail from them (after watching episode 1) and its now on 247,000. Here you go, people. Sign it for Alan Bates…

https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/strip-paula-vennells-of-her-cbe?utm_source=email&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=blast43900

It's up by 50K in the last two and a half hours to almost 300K. And rightly so. 

Blucher said:

I've just watched the first three episodes, which made my blood boil. Thank you for posting a link to the petition, which I've signed.

A great drama and, most importantly, it helps keeps this scandal very much in the public eye.

Surprised it hasn't got its own thread.
Couid have massive implications for Ed Davey and the Lib Dems at the next election.

PragueAddick said:

carly burn said:

Blucher said:

I've just watched the first three episodes, which made my blood boil. Thank you for posting a link to the petition, which I've signed.

A great drama and, most importantly, it helps keeps this scandal very much in the public eye.

Surprised it hasn't got its own thread.
Couid have massive implications for Ed Davey and the Lib Dems at the next election.

How so?

He was minister in charge of the post office during the coalition government, and was also a paid advisor for the law firm that represented the PO. He's blaming the post office for misleading the government but either way it's embarrassing for him 

PragueAddick said:

McBobbin said:

PragueAddick said:

carly burn said:

Blucher said:

I've just watched the first three episodes, which made my blood boil. Thank you for posting a link to the petition, which I've signed.

A great drama and, most importantly, it helps keeps this scandal very much in the public eye.

Surprised it hasn't got its own thread.
Couid have massive implications for Ed Davey and the Lib Dems at the next election.

How so?

He was minister in charge of the post office during the coalition government, and was also a paid advisor for the law firm that represented the PO. He's blaming the post office for misleading the government but either way it's embarrassing for him 

Ok. The system was installed way before they even got into power though. The first court case was in 2006. 

This is a classic case of over-ambitIous IT ( which the UK knows a lot about, ask an NHS GP, but the UK is hardly alone) plus a second-rate management (typical of the privatised utilities) which also adopted a bullying culture. None of that is anything to do with Ed Davey. Jesus…

Regardless. He was in one of the highest positions of power in this matter and chose to ignore the noise of these poor people and take the word of the lying scumbags that he was supposed to run the rule over.
He's now asking you to vote for him to run the country.
Capiche?

carly burn said:

PragueAddick said:

McBobbin said:

PragueAddick said:

carly burn said:

Blucher said:

I've just watched the first three episodes, which made my blood boil. Thank you for posting a link to the petition, which I've signed.

A great drama and, most importantly, it helps keeps this scandal very much in the public eye.

Surprised it hasn't got its own thread.
Couid have massive implications for Ed Davey and the Lib Dems at the next election.

How so?

He was minister in charge of the post office during the coalition government, and was also a paid advisor for the law firm that represented the PO. He's blaming the post office for misleading the government but either way it's embarrassing for him 

Ok. The system was installed way before they even got into power though. The first court case was in 2006. 

This is a classic case of over-ambitIous IT ( which the UK knows a lot about, ask an NHS GP, but the UK is hardly alone) plus a second-rate management (typical of the privatised utilities) which also adopted a bullying culture. None of that is anything to do with Ed Davey. Jesus…

Regardless. He was in one of the highest positions of power in this matter and chose to ignore the noise of these poor people and take the word of the lying scumbags that he was supposed to run the rule over.
He's now asking you to vote for him to run the country.
Capiche?

No that's really trite, and tribal. But let's try and dial down the tribal politics of this, otherwise others will rightly call us out. For me the lessons of this are

- Big IT projects are the 2nd  most risky national infrastructure projects of the lot, as highlighted in a book I've just finished. Hold back on the hubris, test rigorously and stay humble.
- the Honours system needs a major overhaul
- at the same time I'm a bit uneasy if the only response to the programme is to pile-on the now hapless Vennings woman. She should be stripped of her medal. But all those reporting to her who helped build and signed off on this shitshow need to be named and shamed. You wanna earn the same big bucks as in the proper private sector? Then you need to accept the same price of incompetence and failure.
- Our political system is far from perfect but the geographical constituency system encourages individual MPs with no big career ambitions to do real good. In this case James Arbuthnot. Tracey Crouch is another example. They are both Tories. The BBC Hillsborough doc. highlighted the pivotal role of Andy Burnham. 
- Hats off to ITV. Over at the BBC they should be asking themselves how come they didn't make this.

PragueAddick said:

carly burn said:

PragueAddick said:

McBobbin said:

PragueAddick said:

carly burn said:

Blucher said:

I've just watched the first three episodes, which made my blood boil. Thank you for posting a link to the petition, which I've signed.

A great drama and, most importantly, it helps keeps this scandal very much in the public eye.

Surprised it hasn't got its own thread.
Couid have massive implications for Ed Davey and the Lib Dems at the next election.

How so?

He was minister in charge of the post office during the coalition government, and was also a paid advisor for the law firm that represented the PO. He's blaming the post office for misleading the government but either way it's embarrassing for him 

Ok. The system was installed way before they even got into power though. The first court case was in 2006. 

This is a classic case of over-ambitIous IT ( which the UK knows a lot about, ask an NHS GP, but the UK is hardly alone) plus a second-rate management (typical of the privatised utilities) which also adopted a bullying culture. None of that is anything to do with Ed Davey. Jesus…

Regardless. He was in one of the highest positions of power in this matter and chose to ignore the noise of these poor people and take the word of the lying scumbags that he was supposed to run the rule over.
He's now asking you to vote for him to run the country.
Capiche?

No that's really trite, and tribal. But let's try and dial down the tribal politics of this, otherwise others will rightly call us out. For me the lessons of this are

- Big IT projects are the 2nd  most risky national infrastructure projects of the lot, as highlighted in a book I've just finished. Hold back on the hubris, test rigorously and stay humble.
- the Honours system needs a major overhaul
- at the same time I'm a bit uneasy if the only response to the programme is to pile-on the now hapless Vennings woman. She should be stripped of her medal. But all those reporting to her who helped build and signed off on this shitshow need to be named and shamed. You wanna earn the same big bucks as in the proper private sector? Then you need to accept the same price of incompetence and failure.
- Our political system is far from perfect but the geographical constituency system encourages individual MPs with no big career ambitions to do real good. In this case James Arbuthnot. Tracey Crouch is another example. They are both Tories. The BBC Hillsborough doc. highlighted the pivotal role of Andy Burnham. 
- Hats off to ITV. Over at the BBC they should be asking themselves how come they didn't make this.

pretty sure the BBC did a documentary on this the other year

MrOneLung said:

PragueAddick said:

carly burn said:

PragueAddick said:

McBobbin said:

PragueAddick said:

carly burn said:

Blucher said:

I've just watched the first three episodes, which made my blood boil. Thank you for posting a link to the petition, which I've signed.

A great drama and, most importantly, it helps keeps this scandal very much in the public eye.

Surprised it hasn't got its own thread.
Couid have massive implications for Ed Davey and the Lib Dems at the next election.

How so?

He was minister in charge of the post office during the coalition government, and was also a paid advisor for the law firm that represented the PO. He's blaming the post office for misleading the government but either way it's embarrassing for him 

Ok. The system was installed way before they even got into power though. The first court case was in 2006. 

This is a classic case of over-ambitIous IT ( which the UK knows a lot about, ask an NHS GP, but the UK is hardly alone) plus a second-rate management (typical of the privatised utilities) which also adopted a bullying culture. None of that is anything to do with Ed Davey. Jesus…

Regardless. He was in one of the highest positions of power in this matter and chose to ignore the noise of these poor people and take the word of the lying scumbags that he was supposed to run the rule over.
He's now asking you to vote for him to run the country.
Capiche?

No that's really trite, and tribal. But let's try and dial down the tribal politics of this, otherwise others will rightly call us out. For me the lessons of this are

- Big IT projects are the 2nd  most risky national infrastructure projects of the lot, as highlighted in a book I've just finished. Hold back on the hubris, test rigorously and stay humble.
- the Honours system needs a major overhaul
- at the same time I'm a bit uneasy if the only response to the programme is to pile-on the now hapless Vennings woman. She should be stripped of her medal. But all those reporting to her who helped build and signed off on this shitshow need to be named and shamed. You wanna earn the same big bucks as in the proper private sector? Then you need to accept the same price of incompetence and failure.
- Our political system is far from perfect but the geographical constituency system encourages individual MPs with no big career ambitions to do real good. In this case James Arbuthnot. Tracey Crouch is another example. They are both Tories. The BBC Hillsborough doc. highlighted the pivotal role of Andy Burnham. 
- Hats off to ITV. Over at the BBC they should be asking themselves how come they didn't make this.

pretty sure the BBC did a documentary on this the other year

Panorama - Scandal at the Post Office

ValleyGary said:

MrOneLung said:

PragueAddick said:

carly burn said:

PragueAddick said:

McBobbin said:

PragueAddick said:

carly burn said:

Blucher said:

I've just watched the first three episodes, which made my blood boil. Thank you for posting a link to the petition, which I've signed.

A great drama and, most importantly, it helps keeps this scandal very much in the public eye.

Surprised it hasn't got its own thread.
Couid have massive implications for Ed Davey and the Lib Dems at the next election.

How so?

He was minister in charge of the post office during the coalition government, and was also a paid advisor for the law firm that represented the PO. He's blaming the post office for misleading the government but either way it's embarrassing for him 

Ok. The system was installed way before they even got into power though. The first court case was in 2006. 

This is a classic case of over-ambitIous IT ( which the UK knows a lot about, ask an NHS GP, but the UK is hardly alone) plus a second-rate management (typical of the privatised utilities) which also adopted a bullying culture. None of that is anything to do with Ed Davey. Jesus…

Regardless. He was in one of the highest positions of power in this matter and chose to ignore the noise of these poor people and take the word of the lying scumbags that he was supposed to run the rule over.
He's now asking you to vote for him to run the country.
Capiche?

No that's really trite, and tribal. But let's try and dial down the tribal politics of this, otherwise others will rightly call us out. For me the lessons of this are

- Big IT projects are the 2nd  most risky national infrastructure projects of the lot, as highlighted in a book I've just finished. Hold back on the hubris, test rigorously and stay humble.
- the Honours system needs a major overhaul
- at the same time I'm a bit uneasy if the only response to the programme is to pile-on the now hapless Vennings woman. She should be stripped of her medal. But all those reporting to her who helped build and signed off on this shitshow need to be named and shamed. You wanna earn the same big bucks as in the proper private sector? Then you need to accept the same price of incompetence and failure.
- Our political system is far from perfect but the geographical constituency system encourages individual MPs with no big career ambitions to do real good. In this case James Arbuthnot. Tracey Crouch is another example. They are both Tories. The BBC Hillsborough doc. highlighted the pivotal role of Andy Burnham. 
- Hats off to ITV. Over at the BBC they should be asking themselves how come they didn't make this.

pretty sure the BBC did a documentary on this the other year

Panorama - Scandal at the Post Office

Just finished Fool me once   8 part drama on Netflix.  Absolutely brilliant. 

The fact Michelle Keegan is hotter than the sun is an added bonus 

Anyone watching The Tourist season 2?
I’m two episodes in & it’s a bit bonkers.

Just started watching the Tourist series 2 on BBC iplayer
Really enjoyed the first series 
& it looks like this is going to be as good 👍 

TEL said:

Gravesend_Addick said:

Just finished Fool me once   8 part drama on Netflix.  Absolutely brilliant. 

The fact Michelle Keegan is hotter than the sun is an added bonus 

Watched the first episode. Thought the dialogue was pretty wooden to be honest. Hammy at best. 

The Coben dramas are very formulaic in terms of  filming style, dialogue and wooden acting (even from some stalwarts!). They are generally quite compelling despite themselves. We just finished Fool Me Once and, unusually for us, didn’t shrug and say “OFFS” at the conclusion as we do with many dramas.