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January 2024 Transfer Rumours (D/day starts pg.263)
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Bakinson is experienced and a good age. Has presence and would perhaps be the defensive anchor we’ve been sorely missing.0
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I think it’s important to remember that with trying to get better players there will be more competition. Players like Coventry are apparently being looked at by Derby and P’boro, in some instances there’s is going to a need to change targets to choice b,c ect. TB is better than the majority of the midfielders we have atm and has experience in a team that got promoted through play offs last year. It’s not just first team signings we need also it’s the depth that we are lacking. If this is first of our signings then if think it’s a pretty decent one.4
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You'd hope that any signings today would be done in time to feature tomorrow.3
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Gotta be honest I know very little about Bakinson.
The cynical part of me struggles to get excited about signing a player that can't even get into a team 22nd in the league above. Loan means that if he is somewhat decent he'll probably not stay with us.
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Want a betbillysboots said:redbuttle said:
We will see won't we. No matter what happens there will be moaning.supaclive said:If it is Barkinson and Fiorini we can write off Coventry and Doherty unless Dobson goes and it's also not spending a penny in transfer fees. Perfect for balancing the books - which ultimately, is all the senior management are interested in as their business plan said that's what they would be able to do.
I dont think anyone would be moaning if we kept Dobson and signed the Coventry , Doherty and Bakinson ?8 -
He's out of contract in the summer so it's basically a 6 month trial. You'd like to think if he does well for us then he'd want to stay, especially as he's from London.Laddick01 said:Gotta be honest I know very little about Bakinson.
The cynical part of me struggles to get excited about signing a player that can't even get into a team 22nd in the league above. Loan means that if he is somewhat decent he'll probably not stay with us.3 -
Chris_from_Sidcup said:
He's out of contract in the summer so it's basically a 6 month trial. You'd like to think if he does well for us then he'd want to stay, especially as he's from London.Laddick01 said:Gotta be honest I know very little about Bakinson.
The cynical part of me struggles to get excited about signing a player that can't even get into a team 22nd in the league above. Loan means that if he is somewhat decent he'll probably not stay with us.
This is how I see it ultimately with Bakinson, 6 month trial see how he fits in and if he's worth signing on a free in the summer as I doubt Sheffield Wednesday will be keeping him around. Hopefully Sir Chris has told him what to expect and sold him a bit on the club too.0 -
Come on guys, any loan with a view to buy is a positive.2
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We were told we would be focussing on permanent acquisitions to add to the squad for next season now. We are going with a loan - nowhere, apart from the journo does that say it's with a view to a permanent deal.bolloxbolder said:Come on guys, any loan with a view to buy is a positive.
We were told we would be going for permanent signings. He isn't.
Why am I happy about being lied to?
But each to their own.
I'm not saying it's a bad thing - the loan - I am saying the owners stated they wanted permanent transfers......3 -
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Have you forgotten that our recent form has changed our attitude to this window and accelerated recruitment? We need a couple of bodies pdq. It’s only 5th January. When were you lied to ?supaclive said:
We were told we would be focussing on permanent acquisitions to add to the squad for next season now. We are going with a loan - nowhere, apart from the journo does that say it's with a view to a permanent deal.bolloxbolder said:Come on guys, any loan with a view to buy is a positive.
We were told we would be going for permanent signings. He isn't.
Why am I happy about being lied to?
But each to their own.
I'm not saying it's a bad thing - the loan - I am saying the owners stated they wanted permanent transfers......4 -
They can't say with a view to a permanent deal because when his loan ends he will no longer be Sheffield Wednesday's player to sell.supaclive said:
We were told we would be focussing on permanent acquisitions to add to the squad for next season now. We are going with a loan - nowhere, apart from the journo does that say it's with a view to a permanent deal.bolloxbolder said:Come on guys, any loan with a view to buy is a positive.
We were told we would be going for permanent signings. He isn't.
Why am I happy about being lied to?
But each to their own.
I'm not saying it's a bad thing - the loan - I am saying the owners stated they wanted permanent transfers......
But it's pretty obvious a player coming on loan in the last 6 months of his contract is with a view to being a permanent signing. It's effectively a trial. If he's shit we've not lost anything, if he's good we will try and sign him.13 -
I believe the management said only weeks ago they wanted permanent transfersShootersHillGuru said:
Have you forgotten that our recent form has changed our attitude to this window and accelerated recruitment? We need a couple of bodies pdq. It’s only 5th January. When were you lied to ?supaclive said:
We were told we would be focussing on permanent acquisitions to add to the squad for next season now. We are going with a loan - nowhere, apart from the journo does that say it's with a view to a permanent deal.bolloxbolder said:Come on guys, any loan with a view to buy is a positive.
We were told we would be going for permanent signings. He isn't.
Why am I happy about being lied to?
But each to their own.
I'm not saying it's a bad thing - the loan - I am saying the owners stated they wanted permanent transfers......
I've been told we're too good to go down
The manager still thinks we can make the play offs
Why the change of tack?
Is it because we need bodies, or is it because we actually don't have any money to compete for good players.....
I'm simply asking the question0 -
Or it's a cheap option compared to spending actual money on better players.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
They can't say with a view to a permanent deal because when his loan ends he will no longer be Sheffield Wednesday's player to sell.supaclive said:
We were told we would be focussing on permanent acquisitions to add to the squad for next season now. We are going with a loan - nowhere, apart from the journo does that say it's with a view to a permanent deal.bolloxbolder said:Come on guys, any loan with a view to buy is a positive.
We were told we would be going for permanent signings. He isn't.
Why am I happy about being lied to?
But each to their own.
I'm not saying it's a bad thing - the loan - I am saying the owners stated they wanted permanent transfers......
But it's pretty obvious a player coming on loan in the last 6 months of his contract is with a view to being a permanent signing. It's effectively a trial. If he's shit we've not lost anything, if he's good we will try and sign him.
if you are a conspiracy theorist.1 -
There was a big influx of Italians into Scotland back at the end of the 19th century.ForeverAddickted said:
Yup that should be the biggest complaint about Fiorini (How is he Scottish with a name like that) - All our Man City loans have ended up being absolute shite; Danny Mills was signed on loan from them when he decided he didnt want to play over ChristmasFishCostaFortune said:Didn’t one of the Matt Smiths come from City as well.They’ve done a great job of stitching us up.
’Between 1876 and 1914 fourteen million Italians emigrated to escape poverty in their homeland. Many walked across Europe to find new homes. Thousands settled in Scotland, bringing with them such treats as Italian ice-cream, chip shops and confectionery.’6 -
supaclive said:
We were told we would be focussing on permanent acquisitions to add to the squad for next season now. We are going with a loan - nowhere, apart from the journo does that say it's with a view to a permanent deal.bolloxbolder said:Come on guys, any loan with a view to buy is a positive.
We were told we would be going for permanent signings. He isn't.
Why am I happy about being lied to?
But each to their own.
I'm not saying it's a bad thing - the loan - I am saying the owners stated they
lied to ….. come on it’s a loan with a view to a permanent deal win win for us2 -
It's the 5 Jan and we've already had bids in for Coventry, JCH and Gillesphey.supaclive said:
Or it's a cheap option compared to spending actual money on better players.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
They can't say with a view to a permanent deal because when his loan ends he will no longer be Sheffield Wednesday's player to sell.supaclive said:
We were told we would be focussing on permanent acquisitions to add to the squad for next season now. We are going with a loan - nowhere, apart from the journo does that say it's with a view to a permanent deal.bolloxbolder said:Come on guys, any loan with a view to buy is a positive.
We were told we would be going for permanent signings. He isn't.
Why am I happy about being lied to?
But each to their own.
I'm not saying it's a bad thing - the loan - I am saying the owners stated they wanted permanent transfers......
But it's pretty obvious a player coming on loan in the last 6 months of his contract is with a view to being a permanent signing. It's effectively a trial. If he's shit we've not lost anything, if he's good we will try and sign him.
if you are a conspiracy theorist.
I understand the wider frustration with things but i really don't see why you're knocking a loan signing who is 25, local, good experience in this division with clubs who were promoted and could potentially sign for us in the summer.3 -
Permanent signings will always take a bit longer than loans as there is so much more haggling and negotiation involved generally. (providing the quality of the players is good enough) Two loans of players who are out of contract at the end of the season makes sense and in principle can't really be criticised as they could be our players next year.
As long as it is then backed up by more permanent signings (again of the sufficient quality) to improve us this year and then have a go next year then that is a good window.
Realistically we will have to wait a little longer to see if that happens.3 -
I seem to remember Aribo mainly coming on as sub for us in his early days. We knew he was good, but needed to be introduced gradually because of his age and inexperience.Scoham said:
Why’s he not a regular starter if he’s one of their better players? Only 9 of those are starts.Braziliance said:
Completely wrong, Goodrham has played about 25 times for Oxford this season at least and if you remember, scored a brace against us earlier this season.Callumcafc said:
He’s a young academy player who’s made nine starts this season. Surely his new contract is akin to these below?Braziliance said:
Oxford United manage to keep one of their better players who was wanted by championship clubs..
Let's see if we can do the same thing as a club that we allegedly have more spend power than
https://www.charltonafc.com/news/nathan-asiimwe-signs-new-long-term-contract
Only Miles is on a similar level0 -
If CBT & Dobson are to leave (to be clear I want them to sign new deals). I think i'd rather offload them both now to help give a clearer picture of what is needed now & for next season.1
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I think if they both leave now we could go down.Pelling1993 said:If CBT & Dobson are to leave (to be clear I want them to sign new deals). I think i'd rather offload them both now to help give a clearer picture of what is needed now & for next season.6 -
We're crap but there's 100% 4 worse teams in this division.blackpool72 said:
I think if they both leave now we could go down.Pelling1993 said:If CBT & Dobson are to leave (to be clear I want them to sign new deals). I think i'd rather offload them both now to help give a clearer picture of what is needed now & for next season.0 -
And we haven’t beaten most of them recently !Pelling1993 said:
We're crap but there's 100% 4 worse teams in this division.blackpool72 said:
I think if they both leave now we could go down.Pelling1993 said:If CBT & Dobson are to leave (to be clear I want them to sign new deals). I think i'd rather offload them both now to help give a clearer picture of what is needed now & for next season.6 -
At present I agree with you.Pelling1993 said:
We're crap but there's 100% 4 worse teams in this division.blackpool72 said:
I think if they both leave now we could go down.Pelling1993 said:If CBT & Dobson are to leave (to be clear I want them to sign new deals). I think i'd rather offload them both now to help give a clearer picture of what is needed now & for next season.
But if we sell both Dobson and CBT and don't replace with better then we will struggle.4 -
That is a fair comment but without being argumentative, on your post we'll continue to make loans and do not get stability.covered_end_junior said:ElfsborgAddick said:
Agree with the first point as we are almost in the brown stuff, but long term loans are not the way forward.covered_end_junior said:Don't completely buy the there's no point of loans point of view.
1: The seasons not over, we still need to pick up points to stay clear of the bottom. If there are good players available for loan why would you not do it.
2: It's less expensive than a permanent deal, it allows us to save money for the summer window where the money can be better spent.
3: It allows us to take a look at a player for 6 months before deciding whether or not we want to try and get them permanently in the summer if that is an option.
It depends on the quality of the loan really doesn't it. If someone of the same level as a Cullen or Bielik is available and there was the possibility of agreeing a deal where it became permanent in the summer why would we not take advantage of that? We get them for 6 months, assess whether or not we want them for next seasons and then make a decision.
If it doesn't work out then we're not stuck paying someone high wages on a 4 year contact like we have been with some of our more recent expensive signings (e.g Kirk).
Of course if the quality of player is much lower and we don't think it improves us then there is no point.2 -
Did anyone ever say it would ONLY be permanent signings? Because if not you have not been lied to at all, even by implication.supaclive said:
We were told we would be focussing on permanent acquisitions to add to the squad for next season now. We are going with a loan - nowhere, apart from the journo does that say it's with a view to a permanent deal.bolloxbolder said:Come on guys, any loan with a view to buy is a positive.
We were told we would be going for permanent signings. He isn't.
Why am I happy about being lied to?
But each to their own.
I'm not saying it's a bad thing - the loan - I am saying the owners stated they wanted permanent transfers......1 -
One of the other comments on that thread…Callumcafc said:hhttps://avftt.co.uk/index.php?threads/lewis-fiorini.45367/“Got a real quality about him. Happy to make forward passes and constantly looking to create rather than passing back.
Just like Patino, he needed an enforcer next to him to let him shine. We didn’t give him a chance really did we?”
” As well as ditching the dinosaur, him coming back into the team greatly improved us.”
Appleton?0 -
It really is like rinse and repeat on here every window now.Linked with promising names.‘We’ll have to be patient to get them’
We’re short on bodies so we’ll bring in an average body to add to the ranks and appease the masses.Release every few days that we’re still trying on deals before ultimately missing out and signing our option f/g late on and saying how pleased we are to capture them.
The team play like a mid table team with management telling us that we’re unlucky and this will be addressed in the next window, where “we’ll have a real go”
We are a bang average team, led by a bang average manager, with a very average group of players.
I truly hope that things turn around but I’m genuinely worried about the future of the club.6 -
Sounds perfect for us.4 -
Its strange how soundbites get taken for gospel or feel we're being lied to, depending on what is believed in the first place - We get told we're making perm signings, we get frustrated when we make a loan signing... We get told that an injured player will be back soon, and we're being lied to because it wont be the casethenewbie said:
Did anyone ever say it would ONLY be permanent signings? Because if not you have not been lied to at all, even by implication.supaclive said:
We were told we would be focussing on permanent acquisitions to add to the squad for next season now. We are going with a loan - nowhere, apart from the journo does that say it's with a view to a permanent deal.bolloxbolder said:Come on guys, any loan with a view to buy is a positive.
We were told we would be going for permanent signings. He isn't.
Why am I happy about being lied to?
But each to their own.
I'm not saying it's a bad thing - the loan - I am saying the owners stated they wanted permanent transfers......
Heavy pinch of salt needs to be taken with whatever we're told... WIOTOS
Often a comment (especially when made Pre / Post Match) wont even be for the fans, its mind games to get in the head of the opposition Manager - Or an attempt to either try and ensure there isn't a drop in confidence, or gain a response depending what is said.2
