The new mob told us that it would be actions over words when they came in. I really appreciate @Swisdom post but until I see proof of actual improvements being made I’ll remain unimpressed by their actions to date. I’ve been duped too many times in the past and as hopeful as I want/try to be, I’m still seeing the club I love on a painful descent.
Mind numbing stuff from some who are saying, 'move on from JCH' already. With absolutely no clue what stage the negotiations are or what is happening in the deal. Just assumed, cos some teenager has suggested the deal is off on another forum?
Note: I have no clue either
The deal not off .. but there does seem to be some feet dragging from his agent and possibly Peterbro who would rather he signed in Monday after the game
sorry Baziliance but I have to take issue with this quote of yours
"It sounds like his skillset might be best set somewhere else in football then, cause he isn't a good manager.
I've also heard he's a good coach but if he can't implement his ideas on the pitch then it's not really worthwhile. I'd love us to invest into him but his record doesn't suggest he can do it and the footballing we are all watching doesn't suggest he can either.
1 win in 10 and the amount of late goals conceded just looks like someone who isn't up to it imo, as harsh as that may sound. "
I think that Apples was introduced as the Head Coach not the Manager, also he is coaching a team that he did not select and he has had an ever mounting list of injured 1st team players since his arrival, so I suggest we all give him a little leeway for the rest of the season rather than opinionate that he isn't up to it.
A lot of football fans are clueless. They seem to think if a manager has not set the world alight after four months you sack them
It's not that he hasn't set the world alight. It's that we are not improving. We are getting worse. He is not learning. Our football is turgid. Please explain the following.
Taking ages to move the ball quickly. Our build up is far too slow AKA known as poncing about at the back. Playing May wide right Abankwah, not one opportunity at his natural position.(accept he may not be good enough) Bringing In Rylah, Mbick ahead of Kanu, Good prospects, but clearly not ready. Freezing players out, then bringing them out of the wilderness. C Campbell, Anderson. Not playing Louie Watson, then after a few weeks playing him, then not accepting he was knackered after 70 mins His constant tinkering and playing players out of position. His substitutions which have cost us several times. Most notably Cambridge where he threw 2 points away.
When we're struggling for the last 4 -5 weeks, playing wrong formation and not steeling things up. (see below) Playing the most powder midfield, I can ever remember. Insistence on playing Anderson ( who I still think is gonna be a good player) when he's having mares and is clearly not ready.
His unwillingness to accept responsibiliy, just blames it on a weak squad.
I am generalising.
Managers cannot keep getting the bullet every five minutes.
Mind numbing stuff from some who are saying, 'move on from JCH' already. With absolutely no clue what stage the negotiations are or what is happening in the deal. Just assumed, cos some teenager has suggested the deal is off on another forum?
Note: I have no clue either
The deal not off .. but there does seem to be some feet dragging from his agent and possibly Peterbro who would rather he signed in Monday after the game
You don't have to believe this if you don't want to
CAFC have made numerous offers for players. CAFC have identified the weaknesses in the squad and are working to resolve One of the offers is over £500k but the guy is likely going up AT LEAST one division so we are no longer in with a shout but a once highly rated team mate of his might be in scope. One of them has been made a very good offer. His club are ok with it but the agent has got in his ear. (Personally I'm not fussed about that - could easily be Marcus Maddison MkII) Another has something we are desperately short of and is widely regarded in the game for his leadership qualities. Another is a name that has been mentioned in the past but not so much in the last 6-12 months. Again not someone I am overly fussed about but some people would love him. Another is someone I have been very keen on or some time, soon to be out of contract and is on a shortlist.
I am not going to confirm any names here but what I am saying is there are plans in place, the right sorts of players being identified and we are not scraping the barrel as we have in the past.
sorry Baziliance but I have to take issue with this quote of yours
"It sounds like his skillset might be best set somewhere else in football then, cause he isn't a good manager.
I've also heard he's a good coach but if he can't implement his ideas on the pitch then it's not really worthwhile. I'd love us to invest into him but his record doesn't suggest he can do it and the footballing we are all watching doesn't suggest he can either.
1 win in 10 and the amount of late goals conceded just looks like someone who isn't up to it imo, as harsh as that may sound. "
I think that Apples was introduced as the Head Coach not the Manager, also he is coaching a team that he did not select and he has had an ever mounting list of injured 1st team players since his arrival, so I suggest we all give him a little leeway for the rest of the season rather than opinionate that he isn't up to it.
Looks Lancs, I don't appreciate you calling me Baziliance so please don't make yourself familiar with it
He was appointed as a head coach yes, but that's just a way of saying manager in the modern age.
I believe almost any manager/coach, in the history of football would be dealing with players they didn't necessarily sign or want, that isn't an excuse for this shocking form. He can't just sign 11 new players as that's not how it works, he also isn't worth shelling out for like that.
You are more than welcome to give him leeway, nothing wrong with that at all, me on the other hand, my view is he's a poor choice for us. Not much can change that unless he starts winning games, which I imagine he won't.
I'm contemplating buying a ticket for Sat but wanted to see some signings first (ones that are likely to make it out onto the pitch). If JCH signs in time to play then great, I'll buy a ticket. If not I probably wont, unless over the next 2 days we sign a couple of players that are going to get me off my seat (wasn't that what Methven said). Doesn't seem likely though.
You don't have to believe this if you don't want to
CAFC have made numerous offers for players. CAFC have identified the weaknesses in the squad and are working to resolve One of the offers is over £500k but the guy is likely going up AT LEAST one division so we are no longer in with a shout but a once highly rated team mate of his might be in scope. One of them has been made a very good offer. His club are ok with it but the agent has got in his ear. (Personally I'm not fussed about that - could easily be Marcus Maddison MkII) Another has something we are desperately short of and is widely regarded in the game for his leadership qualities. Another is a name that has been mentioned in the past but not so much in the last 6-12 months. Again not someone I am overly fussed about but some people would love him. Another is someone I have been very keen on or some time, soon to be out of contract and is on a shortlist.
I am not going to confirm any names here but what I am saying is there are plans in place, the right sorts of players being identified and we are not scraping the barrel as we have in the past.
It looks as if Appleton is going to be given a chance to stamp his authority on the squad so I suggest we get behind him, and the team. And we need to overlook the fact Appleton is no good at interviews and the media side of things - that's just his demeanour and if he can get the best from the players then I'll ignore the cringeworthy interviews
I've been told by someone in the game what a brilliant coach he is. Not just that he was good - but he is the best he's worked for. I guess we need to trust the process and give him the opportunity to do his thing. Fiorini was desperate to come and play for him again so he must have done something right
In the immortal words of Russel Slade and Gary Barlow.......Patience! :-)
You don't have to believe this if you don't want to
CAFC have made numerous offers for players. CAFC have identified the weaknesses in the squad and are working to resolve One of the offers is over £500k but the guy is likely going up AT LEAST one division so we are no longer in with a shout but a once highly rated team mate of his might be in scope. One of them has been made a very good offer. His club are ok with it but the agent has got in his ear. (Personally I'm not fussed about that - could easily be Marcus Maddison MkII) Another has something we are desperately short of and is widely regarded in the game for his leadership qualities. Another is a name that has been mentioned in the past but not so much in the last 6-12 months. Again not someone I am overly fussed about but some people would love him. Another is someone I have been very keen on or some time, soon to be out of contract and is on a shortlist.
I am not going to confirm any names here but what I am saying is there are plans in place, the right sorts of players being identified and we are not scraping the barrel as we have in the past.
It looks as if Appleton is going to be given a chance to stamp his authority on the squad so I suggest we get behind him, and the team. And we need to overlook the fact Appleton is no good at interviews and the media side of things - that's just his demeanour and if he can get the best from the players then I'll ignore the cringeworthy interviews
I've been told by someone in the game what a brilliant coach he is. Not just that he was good - but he is the best he's worked for. I guess we need to trust the process and give him the opportunity to do his thing. Fiorini was desperate to come and play for him again so he must have done something right
In the immortal words of Russel Slade and Gary Barlow.......Patience! :-)
I completely understand Rich's point that makes a lot of sense , JCH staying , getting Posh possibly promoted and then going on a free abroad with a large signing bonus he wouldn't get over here makes a lot of sense.
I just hope we have other players in mind , @Swisdom 's earlier post definitely sounded like there isn't going to be a repeat of what happened in the summer and ended up with Tedic.
There are three weeks plus left of the window and it’s only sensible for a player who has offers like JCH for example to drag their feet in putting pen to paper in the hope of getting the offer improved or another club getting involved. Can be a risk if the offering club move on but I wouldn’t expect JCH to be rushing to sign a contrast. I’m sure his agent will spend the next week or so phoning clubs. I think one thing Charlton have to their advantage with JCH is that a fee has been agreed and at the rumoured £500k fee and £10k wages there won’t be too many clubs competing with us and I don’t see Championship clubs getting involved but with three weeks of the window left you never know and JCH knows that.
Transforming the JCH bid into a signing is shaping up to be a real test of our ambitions in this window. The outcome can't be allowed to detract from the squad strengthening required in other areas, and given the money involved it needs to be sorted out quickly so that the remaining budget is known. It might even be worth offering him that bit extra to get that certainty early this week, for there's value to be had from the positive messaging it would give Club and supporters in securing the services of a proven goal scorer. He does have his detractors of course, but overall I think he'd be seen as a welcome addition.
The problem with that is the club has at this point done all it can. It’s had a bid accepted by Peterborough and put a rumoured very good contract in front of the player. Now there might be a few extra baubles on offer from CAFC but I would imagine we’re at or very close to our limit with JCH. It’s now very much up to when and if the player puts pen to paper. For Charlton it’s a case of when they decide they can’t afford to wait any longer and have to look at an alternative. Every day that passes makes that more difficult and risky. We might end up with nobody. Quite when that point where we say to JCH take it or leave it is is anybodies guess. For me I’d guess it’s about ten days from now.
I would like to think letting Tedic go was a sign they have had the right noises back from JCH.
Could be, though if it's true that we were paying £11,000 of his £15,000 a week salary then I would have cancelled it at 00.01am on the 1st of January even if there weren't any other strikers left on planet Earth.
I think his loan at Barnsley would stop anyone paying £11k per week.
I completely understand Rich's point that makes a lot of sense , JCH staying , getting Posh possibly promoted and then going on a free abroad with a large signing bonus he wouldn't get over here makes a lot of sense.
I just hope we have other players in mind , @Swisdom 's earlier post definitely sounded like there isn't going to be a repeat of what happened in the summer and ended up with Tedic.
Unfortunately, I am not remotely convinced of that fact at the moment. To me it currently sounds like Methven or Scott or both have had the idea that they could win a bit of a PR coup by signing a big name proven striker like JCH (which it probably WOULD be in fairness.) Good player, genuinely would improve the squad as the ball might actually stick up front, a "name" player at this level, and Posh want to cash in so a deal is doable. It would be a statement if nothing else.
BUT
Absolutely no evidence at present that they have a plan B or even considered that he might not actually want to sign, or that wages might scupper it. There are rather too many eggs in a single basket on current evidence for me to be completely comfortable. If we don't sign JCH then have we got a viable idea for another option? I remain unconvinced.
Sounds to me like certain people are being briefed in the knowledge it will reach the greater fanbase. Whether this positivity comes to fruition I have my doubts.
Sounds to me like certain people are being briefed in the knowledge it will reach the greater fanbase. Whether this positivity comes to fruition I have my doubts.
Just like when there's a small but very vocal part of the fanbase that shit on absolutely anything the club does to win internet points.
The reality will be somewhere in the middle, as always
Sounds to me like certain people are being briefed in the knowledge it will reach the greater fanbase. Whether this positivity comes to fruition I have my doubts.
Just like when there's a small but very vocal part of the fanbase that shit on absolutely anything the club does to win internet points.
The reality will be somewhere in the middle, as always
Hmmmmm based on current form definitely below middle......
Sounds to me like certain people are being briefed in the knowledge it will reach the greater fanbase. Whether this positivity comes to fruition I have my doubts.
Just like when there's a small but very vocal part of the fanbase that shit on absolutely anything the club does to win internet points.
The reality will be somewhere in the middle, as always
Small? I don’t agree with that. Yes some people are more vocal than others but the general consensus amongst those I speak to around the ground and on the coach is one of despair and apathy.
Sounds to me like certain people are being briefed in the knowledge it will reach the greater fanbase. Whether this positivity comes to fruition I have my doubts.
Just like when there's a small but very vocal part of the fanbase that shit on absolutely anything the club does to win internet points.
The reality will be somewhere in the middle, as always
Small? I don’t agree with that. Yes some people are more vocal than others but the general consensus amongst those I speak to around the ground and on the coach is one of despair and apathy.
I'd say it's a pretty small part of fanbase who are actively critical of the club and putting comparable amounts of effort into negative interpretation as the positive few.
Apathy/resignation is not the same thing. Most people might be disillusioned right now but I doubt many are genuinely interested in picking up torches and pitchforks. Those are the ones who might be won over by a signing like JCH for example.
Does anyone believe this guff about decent players not being signed due to circumstances beyond the clubs's control despite the heroic efforts of Scott and the professional football people?
I am no expert in recruitment but I would imagine the primary objective is to recruit strong candidates not just leak information about how you tried to recruit them, offered big money, but in the end it was all too difficult and anyway we would probably be better off looking elsewhere.
Unfortunately there is no league table for clubs with the best press releases and information management.
Deal isn't off as of yet.. But why should the club pay over the top? Pay him a stupid wage that might upset the rest of the squad?
They are looking to spend money this January and in the summer.. But it isn't that easy to get deals over the line, and that's not only Charlton that is every club up and down the country!
You can get any deal done at anytime, you’ve just gotta come up with the money.
I personally think it’ll be a travesty if we let this one go, we have the opportunity to start next season with the third tiers best two attacking players.
Anything about JCH’s age and “attitude” is nonsense the geeza is a menace and just the sort of player we’ve been crying out for.
The money he wants is miles over the top.. Charlton are offering him a deal to be one of the highest if not the highest paid player.. Not about the money, it's about taking the piss!
We always seem to hear this in transfer windows as if it’s a surprise. It’s been said about fees as well as wages.
It should be expected, JCH is probably in no rush as he can wait a few weeks and see if he gets an even better offer. I expect he’ll also be weighing up waiting until the summer vs the risk of picking up a serious injury.
He might not get what he’s asking for, but in his position why wouldn’t you ask for a huge wage and hope a club is desperate enough to pay it?
All comes down to fan pressure right? I really hope Charlton don't fall in to that trap, of a desperate signing........., Made to may signings over the last few years, because of desperation and pressure.
Sorry, but that is nonsense.
No fan pressure "made" Sandgaard or SE7 Partners make signings; they are supposed to be serious business people in control of budgets.
Of course fans clamour on forums and social media for more and bigger signings but that happens at every club, every window.
SE7 can't even use the excuse TS had of being a nieve yank new to football.
Rodwell, Lengahan, Methven and Scott have all been in football for years.
They know how the transfer market works. Perhaps they just aren't very good at it.
I agree that they shouldn't just pay any price but please don't try to spin it as the fans' fault that they have overpaid for poor players in past.
Disagree - clubs do make some signings on fan pressure, and certainly happened during Sandgaard time as well. Pressure to spend money, and sometimes rushed in to a signing!
And I didn't say SE7 will do that, I just said I hope they don't fall in to that trap... Will Grigg and Sunderland is a very good example, money to spend, need a striker but instead of waiting, the pressure of the fans and expectations of the window.
But the issue is down to the club not having the right recruitment in place in the past.. And unless Scott pulls his finger out, he is in the same boat.
But you are blaming the fans for the owners giving into that pressure when all the power and decision making is in the hands of the club. A minority, and it is a minority, of the fans moaning on forums is just noise or at least it should be.
It is a pathetic excuse.
The Will Grigg signing is a very good example. There were no Sunderland fans in that room making Methven pay £5m for him, that was his decision.
Fans do put pressure on club owners, and it does lead them to make rash signings and sacking managers as well.... Also the same, when fans put owners to sell a club as well..
Fans do play a huge part in everything positive and negative way, that is a fact!
But you're spinning it as it's the fans fault that poor old owners give into that pressure.
Every parent on here will know about pester pressure from their kids for sweets, toys or whatever but sometimes you have to say no because you can't afford them or they won't be good for them.
To be fair, the current owners have done very well in resisting the fan pressure to build a balanced, talented and fit squad capable of challenging at the top of this division!!!!!
Not blaming the fans.. I said it comes down fan pressure .. You are the one turning it around! Fan pressure has an impact at every single club on the decisions they make.
There is such a thing as fan pressure as we see with Arsenal after losing 3 matches and the clamour for a regular Goal scorer. Whether Arsenal react and potentially panic buy will be interesting. Globally Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool and Man utd all have well over 100 million fans and growing all the time. It's not just sofa fans in the UK with access to social media to pressure clubs. Strong clubs have a plan as Man City and Liverpool have shown; always ahead of the game
Charlton Athletic are our club but we are small now and getting smaller all the time sadly. With Charlton the worry is the disappearing fans and with Aneke and Leaburn injured and the disappointing Tedic going back we don't have a central, hold up number 9.
Possibly the new owners were told that there was gold in the Charlton academy and the present crop of Cafc under 21's were in the class of Aribo, Gomez, Lookman, Konsa, Pope (These names would mean nothing to them other than money received and potentially more from any add on's)
Despite many being decent, the truth is Anderson, Campbell, Kanu, Asiimwe, Deji etc aren't at the levels that the Joe's, Ezri, Nick and Ademola reached. Still time, as all of the cafc lads above are still teenagers other than Deji Elerewe who was 20 last September. Leaburn was looking to be a good fee but his robustness may be an issue with 3 bad injuries in 15 months.
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Give em a chance FFS.
I like many others have no clue
Managers cannot keep getting the bullet every five minutes.
One of the offers is over £500k but the guy is likely going up AT LEAST one division so we are no longer in with a shout - Lewis Page
but a once highly rated team mate of his might be in scope. - Jake Forster-Caskey
One of them has been made a very good offer. - Charlie Kirk
Another has something we are desperately short of and is widely regarded in the game for his leadership qualities. - Peter Shirtliff
Another is a name that has been mentioned in the past but not so much in the last 6-12 months. - Reams
Another is someone I have been very keen on or some time, soon to be out of contract and is on a shortlist. - George Dobson
He was appointed as a head coach yes, but that's just a way of saying manager in the modern age.
I believe almost any manager/coach, in the history of football would be dealing with players they didn't necessarily sign or want, that isn't an excuse for this shocking form. He can't just sign 11 new players as that's not how it works, he also isn't worth shelling out for like that.
You are more than welcome to give him leeway, nothing wrong with that at all, me on the other hand, my view is he's a poor choice for us. Not much can change that unless he starts winning games, which I imagine he won't.
This post almost feels satire to me
I'm contemplating buying a ticket for Sat but wanted to see some signings first (ones that are likely to make it out onto the pitch). If JCH signs in time to play then great, I'll buy a ticket. If not I probably wont, unless over the next 2 days we sign a couple of players that are going to get me off my seat (wasn't that what Methven said). Doesn't seem likely though.
I just hope we have other players in mind , @Swisdom 's earlier post definitely sounded like there isn't going to be a repeat of what happened in the summer and ended up with Tedic.
BUT
Absolutely no evidence at present that they have a plan B or even considered that he might not actually want to sign, or that wages might scupper it. There are rather too many eggs in a single basket on current evidence for me to be completely comfortable. If we don't sign JCH then have we got a viable idea for another option? I remain unconvinced.
The reality will be somewhere in the middle, as always
Hmmmmm based on current form definitely below middle......
And hurtling towards the bottom
Apathy/resignation is not the same thing. Most people might be disillusioned right now but I doubt many are genuinely interested in picking up torches and pitchforks. Those are the ones who might be won over by a signing like JCH for example.
There is such a thing as fan pressure as we see with Arsenal after losing 3 matches and the clamour for a regular Goal scorer.
Whether Arsenal react and potentially panic buy will be interesting. Globally Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool and Man utd all have well over 100 million fans and growing all the time. It's not just sofa fans in the UK with access to social media to pressure clubs.
Strong clubs have a plan as Man City and Liverpool have shown; always ahead of the game
Charlton Athletic are our club but we are small now and getting smaller all the time sadly.
With Charlton the worry is the disappearing fans and with Aneke and Leaburn injured and the disappointing Tedic going back we don't have a central, hold up number 9.
Possibly the new owners were told that there was gold in the Charlton academy and the present crop of Cafc under 21's were in the class of Aribo, Gomez, Lookman, Konsa, Pope (These names would mean nothing to them other than money received and potentially more from any add on's)
Despite many being decent, the truth is Anderson, Campbell, Kanu, Asiimwe, Deji etc aren't at the levels that the Joe's, Ezri, Nick and Ademola reached.
Still time, as all of the cafc lads above are still teenagers other than Deji Elerewe who was 20 last September.
Leaburn was looking to be a good fee but his robustness may be an issue with 3 bad injuries in 15 months.