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The bar that you trust the current set up more than Duchatelet, Sandgaard and Southall !!!YannTheMann said:
What bar are you thinking about? The wave a magic wand a woosh we are successful overnight one? Cause hate to break it to you we have spent most of our last 10 years in league one, not being particularly well managed, it's clear it will take time to fix and unpick the neglect we have been undersupaclive said:
Oh greatYannTheMann said:
They literally said that permanent transfers are the focus during the next few windows, some stuff was frustrating to hear but I feel more confident with this structure than I ever did with Thomas, Roland or Mouthallcabbles said:Contradicts what’s been communicated to Swisdom and Dubai a bit if loans are going to be the focus
Setting the bar high there.
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So that’s one elite player…AdTheAddicK said:
Yes to them all.se9addick said:Just finished work so couldn’t make this.
Couple of questions:
- did Rodwell really say - "Where could we sign anyone from that is better than Karoy Anderson?" ?
- did they intimate that CBT & Dobson would be sold this window?
However he also said Lionel Messi has passed his medical, and him and Andy Scott are crossing the T's and dotting the i's at wimpy as we speak.5 -
Again, did you want them to publically chastise staff members past and present and then publically reveal our list of transfer targets? Not even mouthy MacAntony is that naive. I feel like a lot of the frustration as more to do with Appleton than anything and they explained their rationale behind sticking with him, I'm not a huge fan of what we've seen from Mickey Apples but thought their reasoning was fair enough in that they want to see what he can do with a full squad available and try to bed in some consistency. There were people in the comments calling for us to go and appoint Steve Cooper and you have to wonder what fantasy land people are living in if you think we're an attractive option to himthenewbie said:
Substance, mostly. That was the kind of presentation that probably would work quite well if you pitched it at some American speculators looking to invest in that limey soccerball game but to a bunch of fans who've been sold a whole series of pigs in pokes recently it was fluff and soft-soap stuff at best.YannTheMann said:
Rather that than approach everything everyone says with cynicism. What out of interest did you think it was missing and wasn't addressed amongst general fan concerns?sillav nitram said:
You're easily pleased.YannTheMann said:I honestly doubted the vision behind it all but thought they addressed all the questions well, so much talk of scripted questions but they clearly answered some difficult ones? They conceded that it's not gone amazingly well so far but are committed to improvement? Much better than the last 4 boards have presented imo
Sign good players on a permanent basis, give them to a manager/coach with actual vision and charisma and then and only then will I be convinced that they are anything other than deluded at best, chancers at worst.11 -
Going to be interesting to see what Henry Irving has to say about this! 🫣billysboots said:Rodwell chucking Bromley addicks under the bus.0 -
What other reference point can we work off of in terms of recent ownership? Did you prefer Jimimez and Slater driving us into admin?supaclive said:
The bar that you trust the current set up more than Duchatelet, Sandgaard and Southall !!!YannTheMann said:
What bar are you thinking about? The wave a magic wand a woosh we are successful overnight one? Cause hate to break it to you we have spent most of our last 10 years in league one, not being particularly well managed, it's clear it will take time to fix and unpick the neglect we have been undersupaclive said:
Oh greatYannTheMann said:
They literally said that permanent transfers are the focus during the next few windows, some stuff was frustrating to hear but I feel more confident with this structure than I ever did with Thomas, Roland or Mouthallcabbles said:Contradicts what’s been communicated to Swisdom and Dubai a bit if loans are going to be the focus
Setting the bar high there.0 -
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First time I’ve seen Steve Cooper and ‘attractive’ in the same sentence.YannTheMann said:
There were people in the comments calling for us to go and appoint Steve Cooper and you have to wonder what fantasy land people are living in if you think we're an attractive option to himthenewbie said:
Substance, mostly. That was the kind of presentation that probably would work quite well if you pitched it at some American speculators looking to invest in that limey soccerball game but to a bunch of fans who've been sold a whole series of pigs in pokes recently it was fluff and soft-soap stuff at best.YannTheMann said:
Rather that than approach everything everyone says with cynicism. What out of interest did you think it was missing and wasn't addressed amongst general fan concerns?sillav nitram said:
You're easily pleased.YannTheMann said:I honestly doubted the vision behind it all but thought they addressed all the questions well, so much talk of scripted questions but they clearly answered some difficult ones? They conceded that it's not gone amazingly well so far but are committed to improvement? Much better than the last 4 boards have presented imo
Sign good players on a permanent basis, give them to a manager/coach with actual vision and charisma and then and only then will I be convinced that they are anything other than deluded at best, chancers at worst.16 -
Are there no well-run clubs we can compare ourselves with then?YannTheMann said:
What other reference point can we work off of in terms of recent ownership? Did you prefer Jimimez and Slater driving us into admin?supaclive said:
The bar that you trust the current set up more than Duchatelet, Sandgaard and Southall !!!YannTheMann said:
What bar are you thinking about? The wave a magic wand a woosh we are successful overnight one? Cause hate to break it to you we have spent most of our last 10 years in league one, not being particularly well managed, it's clear it will take time to fix and unpick the neglect we have been undersupaclive said:
Oh greatYannTheMann said:
They literally said that permanent transfers are the focus during the next few windows, some stuff was frustrating to hear but I feel more confident with this structure than I ever did with Thomas, Roland or Mouthallcabbles said:Contradicts what’s been communicated to Swisdom and Dubai a bit if loans are going to be the focus
Setting the bar high there.9 -
I think the only thing I'm mildly enthused about from this lot to date is the fella they've managed to nab from Brighton.
However I remember feeling quite impressed when Sandgaard managed to get Ged Roddy on board.5 - Sponsored links:
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YannTheMann said:
1. No he didn't phrase it like and as per the status quo at the moment our fans are being melodramatic in response to a quote about how we've asked a lot of young players this season dude to injuriesse9addick said:Just finished work so couldn’t make this.
Couple of questions:
- did Rodwell really say - "Where could we sign anyone from that is better than Karoy Anderson?" ?
- did they intimate that CBT & Dobson would be sold this window?
2. They made it clear we've made what they consider good offers to both of them but the ball is in their court regarding signing, it didn't sound overly promising in that regard but they can't force them at gunpoint to sign a new deal1. fair enough
2. correct, whether the players sign the contracts is up to them (I think they’d be mad to if I’m being honest). But regardless of whether they sign or not, we can’t let them go this window. Let’s have it right, if we lose CBT & Dobson the previously unthinkable relegation to the bottom tier will become a distinct possibility.5 -
The 8 Academy players don't count on the FFP allowing you to spend more on the other 16.Braziliance said:
Haha, great minds;supaclive said:
Imagine signing 8 elite players and another is avaliable but we say "nah you're alright, we've got to ensure Karoy Anderson gets a game"golfaddick said:MarcusH26 said:golfaddick said:Can someone tell me what all this 8+8+8 is all about.
Rodwell presented a slide earlier with a 24 man squad broken down into 8 "Elite League 1 players ", 8 Solid League 1 Players and 8 Academy graduates.
Thank you.supaclive said:
8 elite playersgolfaddick said:Can someone tell me what all this 8+8+8 is all about.
8 league one normal players
8 players promoted from the youth squad
Hey Presto
Our Relegation Squad for 2024/25 right there for you
Love to know the measurement for an "Elite" player compared to your "normal"one ? Can they eat 3 weetabix for breakfast perhaps ?
That 888 nonsense is some of the most embarrassing shit I've ever seen1 -
And not knowing what they mean.oohaahmortimer said:PauL Elliott the master of using lots of words and saying nothing4 -
be good to hear Airmans take on all this but sounded a lot of old bollocks to me2
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Sure, who should we be comparing ourselves to that have had success within a new upstairs staff in 6 months? They referenced Bolton & Portsmouth as well run clubs, so if that's going to be our anchor point should we not give them the benefit of the doubt in regards to time, both of those clubs have built their successes over a few seasons now whereas we have had consistent turmoil upstairsAirman Brown said:
Are there no well-run clubs we can compare ourselves with then?YannTheMann said:
What other reference point can we work off of in terms of recent ownership? Did you prefer Jimimez and Slater driving us into admin?supaclive said:
The bar that you trust the current set up more than Duchatelet, Sandgaard and Southall !!!YannTheMann said:
What bar are you thinking about? The wave a magic wand a woosh we are successful overnight one? Cause hate to break it to you we have spent most of our last 10 years in league one, not being particularly well managed, it's clear it will take time to fix and unpick the neglect we have been undersupaclive said:
Oh greatYannTheMann said:
They literally said that permanent transfers are the focus during the next few windows, some stuff was frustrating to hear but I feel more confident with this structure than I ever did with Thomas, Roland or Mouthallcabbles said:Contradicts what’s been communicated to Swisdom and Dubai a bit if loans are going to be the focus
Setting the bar high there.1 -
No I don't. There is literally nothing that they can say that will convince me - that's going to take actions. That's my point. Meetings like this one, statements that Scott and Methven make through the OS or local press, it's good stuff to hear, truly. But unless it's actually backed up by actions and results... it's just noise.YannTheMann said:
Again, did you want them to publically chastise staff members past and present and then publically reveal our list of transfer targets? Not even mouthy MacAntony is that naive. I feel like a lot of the frustration as more to do with Appleton than anything and they explained their rationale behind sticking with him, I'm not a huge fan of what we've seen from Mickey Apples but thought their reasoning was fair enough in that they want to see what he can do with a full squad available and try to bed in some consistency. There were people in the comments calling for us to go and appoint Steve Cooper and you have to wonder what fantasy land people are living in if you think we're an attractive option to himthenewbie said:
Substance, mostly. That was the kind of presentation that probably would work quite well if you pitched it at some American speculators looking to invest in that limey soccerball game but to a bunch of fans who've been sold a whole series of pigs in pokes recently it was fluff and soft-soap stuff at best.YannTheMann said:
Rather that than approach everything everyone says with cynicism. What out of interest did you think it was missing and wasn't addressed amongst general fan concerns?sillav nitram said:
You're easily pleased.YannTheMann said:I honestly doubted the vision behind it all but thought they addressed all the questions well, so much talk of scripted questions but they clearly answered some difficult ones? They conceded that it's not gone amazingly well so far but are committed to improvement? Much better than the last 4 boards have presented imo
Sign good players on a permanent basis, give them to a manager/coach with actual vision and charisma and then and only then will I be convinced that they are anything other than deluded at best, chancers at worst.
Maybe I am being too harsh and this time next year we'll have an amazing squad playing progressive football that blows other teams off the pitch but until then whilst I have absolutely no issue with what they WANT to do I remain deeply sceptical of their ability to achieve it.8 -
It was pretty much as I expected, a non event full of management talk. I haven't warmed to Rodwell or Elliot either time I have head them now but that doesn't matter.
My overall impression is that, just like previous owners, everyone wants it to be a success, of course in this instance the SMT (and there are a lot of them) are clearly not as financially invested and dependent on the success.
All the noise of catering, match day experience, ticket pricing, academy... EVERYTHING... is silly side stuff now.
After the years of slide and rubbish, this club needs to start performing on the pitch and that is really it; everything else is "nice to have" but we are beyond "nice to have" and the fans need to see entertainment and success; all the rest can and would follow.
As others have said the 8+8+8 slide was depressing; if we are serious about promotion, that needs to be better. I wonder how many academy kids Pompey, Bolton, Ipswich, Plymouth etc had / have in their match day squads.7 -
Because it feels like the same old rhetoric, whoever is occupying the chairs gives out every Q&A.YannTheMann said:
Rather that than approach everything everyone says with cynicism. What out of interest did you think it was missing and wasn't addressed amongst general fan concerns?sillav nitram said:
You're easily pleased.YannTheMann said:I honestly doubted the vision behind it all but thought they addressed all the questions well, so much talk of scripted questions but they clearly answered some difficult ones? They conceded that it's not gone amazingly well so far but are committed to improvement? Much better than the last 4 boards have presented imoHow many times have we heard ‘the right players’ and every time they get it hopelessly wrong!4 -
Lose lose situation.e.g. The man makes a valid point using Karoy Anderson as an example and it gets used against, in a way that wasn’t meant, and blatantly obviously wasn’t meant, as another reason why it’s all going to fail!!I’ve also seen “buy some players, win some games and it’ll improve”. Appleton was averaging 2 points a game for 8 games…when did anything improve? We were just waiting for the chance to jump on him when he messed up.Guess what guys and girls, we’re utter shite right now and comparing us against where you want us to be isn’t going to make us any better, but it will make you all feel a lot worse!
This is going to be a slow build, unless that’s accepted fairly quickly and you can start to enjoy the small steps of progress (hopefully soon)…a lot of you are going to spend your time being utterly miserable.
P.S. 8+8+8 isn’t a rigid structure, it’s flexible where needed. It’s a concept that won’t always fit season on season e.g If Leaburn, Karoy, Assimwe & Ness are here in 3 years, they’d be 23, 22, 22 & 24…you’ve then only got 4 x 18/19 year old academy kids in the squad. (That’s an example, not saying Leaburn is staying)13 -
That is absolutely fair, we have been burnt a number of times over the last 20 years so I do understand the heavy degree of skepticism, I think a lot of people are with you reading the comments on this thread & the comments in the chat during the Q&A, in that their mind is already made up with this board.thenewbie said:
No I don't. There is literally nothing that they can say that will convince me - that's going to take actions. That's my point. Meetings like this one, statements that Scott and Methven make through the OS or local press, it's good stuff to hear, truly. But unless it's actually backed up by actions and results... it's just noise.YannTheMann said:
Again, did you want them to publically chastise staff members past and present and then publically reveal our list of transfer targets? Not even mouthy MacAntony is that naive. I feel like a lot of the frustration as more to do with Appleton than anything and they explained their rationale behind sticking with him, I'm not a huge fan of what we've seen from Mickey Apples but thought their reasoning was fair enough in that they want to see what he can do with a full squad available and try to bed in some consistency. There were people in the comments calling for us to go and appoint Steve Cooper and you have to wonder what fantasy land people are living in if you think we're an attractive option to himthenewbie said:
Substance, mostly. That was the kind of presentation that probably would work quite well if you pitched it at some American speculators looking to invest in that limey soccerball game but to a bunch of fans who've been sold a whole series of pigs in pokes recently it was fluff and soft-soap stuff at best.YannTheMann said:
Rather that than approach everything everyone says with cynicism. What out of interest did you think it was missing and wasn't addressed amongst general fan concerns?sillav nitram said:
You're easily pleased.YannTheMann said:I honestly doubted the vision behind it all but thought they addressed all the questions well, so much talk of scripted questions but they clearly answered some difficult ones? They conceded that it's not gone amazingly well so far but are committed to improvement? Much better than the last 4 boards have presented imo
Sign good players on a permanent basis, give them to a manager/coach with actual vision and charisma and then and only then will I be convinced that they are anything other than deluded at best, chancers at worst.
Maybe I am being too harsh and this time next year we'll have an amazing squad playing progressive football that blows other teams off the pitch but until then whilst I have absolutely no issue with what they WANT to do I remain deeply sceptical of their ability to achieve it.
Personally I think they outlined a relatively pragmatic approach without giving it any Saandgardisms of Premier League in 5 years, I went into that session not expecting much and personally came out pleasantly surprised with their explanation, maybe through naive optimism, maybe through giving them more of a chance than perhaps some others have, but ultimately you are correct, the proof will be in the pudding8 - Sponsored links:
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Hmmmm, what did Scott say about bringing permanent transfers in?!Chunes said:Rodwell says January will be mostly about loans rather than permanents
What a load of b*******.0 -
What did I miss that filled you with optimism?YannTheMann said:We've got to have one of the most depressed fanbases of all time0 -
We have a manager who bemoans having to play young players, but he has a board who want a 3rd of the squad made up of Academy players.
A board member who talks about diversity and equality all the time but added nothing of substance on the Senda case
We are going to redevelop the ground despite having no plan our actually own it.
That was a horrible mess of a meeting that only Katrien would have done a worse job of.12 -
He's swallowed too many dictionaries._MrDick said:Paul Elliott has been reading too many management theory books.2 -
To be fair, that's what our manager does when we don't win games, blames his toolsYannTheMann said:
They actually addressed your points in the Q&A if you would have stopped listening with a negative agenda as far as I heardsupaclive said:
Are we going to stop signing loan players either currently injured or just coming back from injury because it hasn't served us well so farYannTheMann said:
Rather that than approach everything everyone says with cynicism. What out of interest did you think it was missing and wasn't addressed amongst general fan concerns?sillav nitram said:
You're easily pleased.YannTheMann said:I honestly doubted the vision behind it all but thought they addressed all the questions well, so much talk of scripted questions but they clearly answered some difficult ones? They conceded that it's not gone amazingly well so far but are committed to improvement? Much better than the last 4 boards have presented imo
If we have identified targets, have money to spend, why have we not spent any of it yet
If Andy Scott's performance isn't measured by results, what is it measured by
If training is going so well nowadays why do we only have one formation we can play, haven't kept a clean sheet in 13 games and only won once in 10 games and conceded a goal in 80+ minutes in the last seven games in a row
That do for starters??
1. They made the point that Bakinson is 'ready baked' and not injured and also added to the point that the deal was ratified by the EFL quite late into the window so didn't have the time they would have liked to bring in the players they wanted
2. They literally said it's a sellers market and that things at the moment look like they will happen late in the window, premier league clubs not releasing players as normal because of AFCON and Asian Championships which is affecting player movement down the chain
3. They said Scott is doing a lot behind the scenes and isn't solely measured on transfers, as people that work with him day in day out the 3 didn't seem to have concerns about what he's doing currently. I'm sure that will change if poor results continue
4. The only question that wasn't asked and probably one that would have been good to field to them but they alluded to the new head of fitness performance joining from Brighton having an impact on player fitness which they nodded to as a reason why were struggling to compete late into games.
It's been a rough couple of months but they didn't skirt around the fact it's been so, did you want them to publically come out and slate the staff and managers instead of explaining rationale around their decisions?3 -
And to point out both me and my son were at the Bromley Meeting and neither of us said CBT and Dobbo should be sold, so no idea where Mr Rodwell came to the conclusion that the whole meeting said they should be sold7
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Looking forward to Paul Elliot doing co commentary sometime this season. Will be halftime after he comes up for air2
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I think the majority of us are severely scarred from what has happened with our club over the years since we plummeted to Div 3. It’s very difficult listening to owners or their voice boxes without a hefty slice of pessimism. I’m going to smile from now on and look forward to a resurgence of our club returning to the higher echelons of the football pyramid. Onwards and upwards!
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lancashire lad said:The club has been run badly for many years, this lot at least seem to have put in an experienced management structure. Like most management teams they speak the speak which does include a fair amount of bullshit but ignore that and there is a decent foundation being put in place, whether they can build on that is open to discussion but at least it is now there.
Agree with this.cfgs said:I actually thought it was better than I expected. Learnt nothing really, but it was good to hear Rodwell speak. I didn’t expect anything tbh, but thought they might be more hostile. What disappointed me was the low viewing figures, hoped for better uptake than that.
As a first step it was "alright". Not awesome, but not a disaster either.
The talk of putting in place a proper structure is actually a good thing and is one of the things we've been missing for a long long time now, with maniacs making decisions on a whim rather than in line with any coherent plan.
It's all just words for now of course, but it's a step in the right direction and is a start - albeit I do wonder why it's taken until now to do it.
I think part of our problem, collectively, is that as a fan base we've been so badly let down and abused over the past 10 years or so that we don't really believe any bugger any more. Understandably, of course, but we don't really have much option than to give this lot a chance to back up their words with actions.18 -
I think the presentation was ill conceived given the audience but they wanted to convey that they had an understanding of the issues, so fair enough.bertpalmer said:be good to hear Airmans take on all this but sounded a lot of old bollocks to meThey didn’t persuade me that they really had a plan to address them and the failure to set or at least share clear objectives is a weakness.
i don’t buy the structure. it’s top heavy for L1. I was very sceptical about Paul Elliott’s involvement beforehand and he said nothing to persuade me I am wrong.
Took Carter at face value.
The club doesn’t need more consultants. All the expertise it needs to grow is in the fanbase but clearly it isn’t in the boardroom, which is a problem.
Thought the squad thing was nonsense and I don’t see Appleton being here long.
They are going to lose a lot of money. Rodwell may understand that. If the investors do too then fair enough and we may get there eventually, but it will be bumpy. Fingers crossed.34
