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January 2024 Transfer Rumours (D/day starts pg.263)
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Seems these owners are having a go although the last few years leave me feeling there’s a twist in the tale. It’s made most of us so cynical when it comes to Charlton.
I still think having Michael Appleton manage potentially one of the strongest squads in the division next season is like asking a corner shop boss to lead Amazon.A bit mean but I just don’t think he’s a dynamic, winning coach.8 -
Right before we get into the next calvacade of supposition I am sorry but while am long past vilifying anybody can we please stop this nonsense.ElfsborgAddick said:
100%NabySarr said:
Scott surely knew he was going to be coming back? And it’s not like we aren’t signing well-known names at this level, Scott would have been aware of them all before even getting the job. I don’t think that excuse holds up reallyRoytheBoy said:Simple answer, the new owners did not have enough time to research new players after taking over and the transfer window closing.
It is not legally possible for Andy Scott to have acted on behalf of the club from early Feb 2023.
1. The previous takeover talks broke down to the point of threatened litigation.
2. Sandgaard terminated Scotts’ contract.3. Sandgaard was actively pursuing alternative investment.
4. As at Feb 13, Jon Smith was set to be appointed Technical Director
On what basis do you suppose Sandgaard would allow an ex employee to talk to clubs, agents and if allowed players representing an alternative opportunity with the club to the one he was overseeing? As a minimum Sandgaard would have secured a cease & desist order with financial penalties.
How could Scott position himself as representing the club? It would be blatant misrepresentation with specific reputation, fiscal and future career consequences.
Please run me through the dialogue Scott could possibly have had with prospective players, their clubs and their agents? What exactly would be your sales pitch on behalf of a club you are palpably not authorised to represent?Any suggestion he could have acted on behalf of the new investors still registers as not only gross interference in club affairs but in direct it breach of EFL rules. No party may seek to influence club affairs without having been specifically vetted & approved by the EFL.
Even when headline agreements was reached in June the restrictions would have remained in place. It was not even at this point within the remit of either Sandgaard or Global Partners. After the Jan 2020 debacle for any transfer of ownership agreement to be binding it specifically required EFL sanction. It was not provided until 23 July.
If you know otherwise then I am sure the EFL would pleased to hear about it.
That is the reality.
When 90% of our competitors were able to act without restriction why is any club, agent or player going to hold talks with any unauthorised and unlicensed party. Being palpably unable to put any money on the table positions any contract discussions as meaningless.37 -
Thank you for adding your wisdom to this.. and 100% spot onGrapevine49 said:
Right before we get into the next calvacade of supposition I am sorry but while am long past vilifying anybody can we please stop this nonsense.ElfsborgAddick said:
100%NabySarr said:
Scott surely knew he was going to be coming back? And it’s not like we aren’t signing well-known names at this level, Scott would have been aware of them all before even getting the job. I don’t think that excuse holds up reallyRoytheBoy said:Simple answer, the new owners did not have enough time to research new players after taking over and the transfer window closing.
It is not legally possible for Andy Scott to have acted on behalf of the club from early Feb 2023.
1. The previous takeover talks broke down to the point of threatened litigation.
2. Sandgaard terminated Scotts’ contract.3. Sandgaard was actively pursuing alternative investment.
4. As at Feb 13, Jon Smith was set to be appointed Technical Director
On what basis do you suppose Sandgaard would allow an ex employee to talk to clubs, agents and if allowed players representing an alternative opportunity with the club to the one he was overseeing? As a minimum Sandgaard would have secured a cease & desist order with financial penalties.
How could Scott position himself as representing the club? It would be blatant misrepresentation with specific reputation, fiscal and future career consequences.
Please run me through the dialogue Scott could possibly have had with prospective players, their clubs and their agents? What exactly would be your sales pitch on behalf of a club you are palpably not authorised to represent?Any suggestion he could have acted on behalf of the new investors still registers as not only gross interference in club affairs but in direct it breach of EFL rules. No party may seek to influence club affairs without having been specifically vetted & approved by the EFL.
Even when headline agreements was reached in June the restrictions would have remained in place. It was not even at this point within the remit of either Sandgaard or Global Partners. After the Jan 2020 debacle for any transfer of ownership agreement to be binding it specifically required EFL sanction. It was not provided until 23 July.
If you know otherwise then I am sure the EFL would pleased to hear about it.
That is the reality.
When 90% of our competitors were able to act without restriction why is any club, agent or player going to hold talks with any unauthorised and unlicensed party. Being palpably unable to put any money on the table positions any contract discussions as meaningless.7 -
I also think, rightly or wrongly, the money men needed to see the issues of our squad for themselves before agreeing to make not-insignificant funds available.
Scott & co. could have absolutely been doing their own research for themselves prior to coming in. And I’m sure that they were.
But I do think they were severely limited in what they could achieve in that shorter time period because of all the circumstances mentioned above.
Now they have their feet under the table, we’re seeing far more aggressive moves being made.12 -
I’ve been told our bid for Collins was rejected but the player is keen on the move. One that might develop over the next 10 days if there is pressure from the player side, ultimately might be one we have to re-visit in the summer if we can’t agree a reasonable figure with Brizzle now.11
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Do we know more about the story with Uche?
Was he always a backup option if we failed to get Ladapo? (If so a bit harsh to have him there having his medical the same time as Ladapo). Or were we actually after another striker but something went wrong with him so we are still looking?
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I thought somebody said it was location hence looking for increased personal terms. How reliable that info was I don’t know🤷♂️. A shame because we need another forward and he ticked the hold up player box for me if not the prolific scoring one.cantersaddick said:Do we know more about the story with Uche?
Was he always a backup option if we failed to get Ladapo? (If so a bit harsh to have him there having his medical the same time as Ladapo). Or were we actually after another striker but something went wrong with him so we are still looking?1 -
Apparently we were not 100% happy with his medical ? whether we will investigate more who knows perhaps Aneke being back in the next two weeks may have made us switch to a diff type of striker ??. but bit disappointed because I think we will still a person like himcantersaddick said:Do we know more about the story with Uche?
Was he always a backup option if we failed to get Ladapo? (If so a bit harsh to have him there having his medical the same time as Ladapo). Or were we actually after another striker but something went wrong with him so we are still looking?1 -
Doubt if the curry would work that quick, khazi dash in the morning 🤔Mendonca In Asdas said:Just got back from my curry, any more ‘in’s and outs’ whilst I’ve been away?5 -
I don't know anything but my personal guess is that he was always 3rd or 4th choice and Ladapo becoming available/signing meant that a striker was no longer such a priority.cantersaddick said:Do we know more about the story with Uche?
Was he always a backup option if we failed to get Ladapo? (If so a bit harsh to have him there having his medical the same time as Ladapo). Or were we actually after another striker but something went wrong with him so we are still looking?
I suspect we have other options and deals to focus on and we will come back to him later IF those do not work out.
Probably harsh on Uche but that's football sadly.0 -
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If bids of 500k were going in for JCH with 6 months left on his contract, there's no way Bristol Rovers are accepting 700k for a guy with 18 months left. I'd expect they'll want a 1m+.Callumcafc said:Reams says we’ve put in a 700k bid for Aaron Collins.2 -
Starting bid to test the water .. most likely have to go to 1 mill - 1.2 mill to get him but worth every pennyChris_from_Sidcup said:
If bids of 500k were going in for JCH with 6 months left on his contract, there's no way Bristol Rovers are accepting 700k for a guy with 18 months left. I'd expect they'll want a 1m+.Callumcafc said:Reams says we’ve put in a 700k bid for Aaron Collins.1 -
things are looking more positive for us today than they have for many years - a shame we're so far off the play offs but its been a very good couple of weeks in the transfer market and at long last, things are starting to look up - formation change and good new players and things appear not to be built on sand which was the case in the powell and bowyer booms - christ have we needed this - we're all set for take off !!! COYR!!!10
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I thought I recognised you as I was leaving just as you were arriving.KiwiValley said:Mendonca In Asdas said:Just got back from my curry, any more ‘in’s and outs’ whilst I’ve been away?
Yeah, I popped around to see your wife …0 -
Really hope more than anything MA proves me wrong, but I just can't see it his whole demeanour since he's been with us is like meh like it's just another job to him, I'd never really heard of Holden until he joined but he got everyone onside from the beginning same with Bowyer, and I just haven't seen any of this with Appleton hes got this annoying shrug of the shoulders sort of attitude like he don't care enough, but as I said really hope with all this backing more than Holden had and probably more than Bowyer as well that he turns things round.
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Not Charlton related, but an interesting one:
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Shame we didn't get the last two signings in for todays game, but at least Appleton can put a more experienced back line and midfield together for the game, get the other side of the window then see if Appleton can put a team together, there will be no excuses if can't. 3, 5, 2 Doucher ?DOUCHER said:things are looking more positive for us today than they have for many years - a shame we're so far off the play offs but its been a very good couple of weeks in the transfer market and at long last, things are starting to look up - formation change and good new players and things appear not to be built on sand which was the case in the powell and bowyer booms - christ have we needed this - we're all set for take off !!! COYR!!!0 -
There’ll probably be a lot more outs from your rear end later;)Mendonca In Asdas said:Just got back from my curry, any more ‘in’s and outs’ whilst I’ve been away?0 -
That’s a fair point about Appleton as I kind of agree but the players speak highly of him and I really like the fact he went to meet Conor Coventry’s parents for a tea to convince him to sign, hopefully now he’s got the players he wants he can prove the doubters wrong 🤞🏻jondon76 said:Really hope more than anything MA proves me wrong, but I just can't see it his whole demeanour since he's been with us is like meh like it's just another job to him, I'd never really heard of Holden until he joined but he got everyone onside from the beginning same with Bowyer, and I just haven't seen any of this with Appleton hes got this annoying shrug of the shoulders sort of attitude like he don't care enough, but as I said really hope with all this backing more than Holden had and probably more than Bowyer as well that he turns things round.6 -
Yann897 said:
That’s a fair point about Appleton as I kind of agree but the players speak highly of him and I really like the fact he went to meet Conor Coventry’s parents for a tea to convince him to sign, hopefully now he’s got the players he wants he can prove the doubters wrong 🤞🏻jondon76 said:Really hope more than anything MA proves me wrong, but I just can't see it his whole demeanour since he's been with us is like meh like it's just another job to him, I'd never really heard of Holden until he joined but he got everyone onside from the beginning same with Bowyer, and I just haven't seen any of this with Appleton hes got this annoying shrug of the shoulders sort of attitude like he don't care enough, but as I said really hope with all this backing more than Holden had and probably more than Bowyer as well that he turns things round.
Agreed the owners and SMT have done their part, Apples needs to prove he can get a tune out of what is now a strong league one side, if he can't by summer I'm sure changes will be made to protect their investment.
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yes - i told scott what he needed to do and it looks like him and apples have finally accepted it and got with the programme - onwards and upwards !!Bailey said:
Shame we didn't get the last two signings in for todays game, but at least Appleton can put a more experienced back line and midfield together for the game, get the other side of the window then see if Appleton can put a team together, there will be no excuses if can't. 3, 5, 2 Doucher ?DOUCHER said:things are looking more positive for us today than they have for many years - a shame we're so far off the play offs but its been a very good couple of weeks in the transfer market and at long last, things are starting to look up - formation change and good new players and things appear not to be built on sand which was the case in the powell and bowyer booms - christ have we needed this - we're all set for take off !!! COYR!!!3 -
Fair play to the board, they have put their hands in their pockets, been aggressive and swift, more refreshingly no longer shopping in Poundland.
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Can’t argue with the owners, they seem to have spent well. Coventry and REG sound like v good signings for us.6
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yes and haven't been looking for the last day reductions - makes a nice changeWhenIwasLittleBoy said:Fair play to the board, they have put their hands in their pockets, been aggressive and swift, more refreshingly no longer shopping in Poundland.1 -
As usual an informative and accurate appraisal of the situation mate thank you.Grapevine49 said:
Right before we get into the next calvacade of supposition I am sorry but while am long past vilifying anybody can we please stop this nonsense.ElfsborgAddick said:
100%NabySarr said:
Scott surely knew he was going to be coming back? And it’s not like we aren’t signing well-known names at this level, Scott would have been aware of them all before even getting the job. I don’t think that excuse holds up reallyRoytheBoy said:Simple answer, the new owners did not have enough time to research new players after taking over and the transfer window closing.
It is not legally possible for Andy Scott to have acted on behalf of the club from early Feb 2023.
1. The previous takeover talks broke down to the point of threatened litigation.
2. Sandgaard terminated Scotts’ contract.3. Sandgaard was actively pursuing alternative investment.
4. As at Feb 13, Jon Smith was set to be appointed Technical Director
On what basis do you suppose Sandgaard would allow an ex employee to talk to clubs, agents and if allowed players representing an alternative opportunity with the club to the one he was overseeing? As a minimum Sandgaard would have secured a cease & desist order with financial penalties.
How could Scott position himself as representing the club? It would be blatant misrepresentation with specific reputation, fiscal and future career consequences.
Please run me through the dialogue Scott could possibly have had with prospective players, their clubs and their agents? What exactly would be your sales pitch on behalf of a club you are palpably not authorised to represent?Any suggestion he could have acted on behalf of the new investors still registers as not only gross interference in club affairs but in direct it breach of EFL rules. No party may seek to influence club affairs without having been specifically vetted & approved by the EFL.
Even when headline agreements was reached in June the restrictions would have remained in place. It was not even at this point within the remit of either Sandgaard or Global Partners. After the Jan 2020 debacle for any transfer of ownership agreement to be binding it specifically required EFL sanction. It was not provided until 23 July.
If you know otherwise then I am sure the EFL would pleased to hear about it.
That is the reality.
When 90% of our competitors were able to act without restriction why is any club, agent or player going to hold talks with any unauthorised and unlicensed party. Being palpably unable to put any money on the table positions any contract discussions as meaningless.
unfortunately it doesn’t suit the narrative pushed out at every opportunity by some that we are being plundered by a group of chancers3 -
We’ll face stiff competition too. Collins is a very good league one player and I’d guess a couple of Championship clubs will also be watching. Does he have a release clause I wonder ?Covered_End_Lad said:I’ve been told our bid for Collins was rejected but the player is keen on the move. One that might develop over the next 10 days if there is pressure from the player side, ultimately might be one we have to re-visit in the summer if we can’t agree a reasonable figure with Brizzle now.0 -
Let’s not forget Bakinson, who looked very useful on debut.Danny Addick said:Can’t argue with the owners, they seem to have spent well. Coventry and REG sound like v good signings for us.8 -
Addick_8 said:
Think it’s more to do with Jake Young then CollinsScoham said:
Could be right, as Collins can play up front maybe we’ve made progress with that deal there isn’t a need for Uche.Covered End said:Maybe it was going to be Ladapo & Ikpe, with May as 10.
Now Ladapo & May with Collins as 10.
Just thinking aloud.
Just watched some of Jake Young’s goals for Swindon - looks a very exciting player. Likes to run at defences, scores inside and outside the box, and is 6 ft 1 so passes the height test. Carlisle claim they can afford the price quoted but feel it’s too high. Might be ridiculous for them but affordable for us? A 21 year old with height, pace and goals is going to have a lot of potential, the sort of player who could step up to the Championship in time. https://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/sport/sportlatest/24062785.bradford-city-reject-third-bid-striker-jake-young/
https://youtu.be/2ZTtEF3CJfo?si=mpyEbpxGJQsgn5jF 5 -
I watched that vid aswell this morning @scoham totally agree he looks quality knows how to create space for himself and get shots off with either foot and a great age too, definitely the sort of young player we should be bringing in to learn off alfie/ladapo and contribute aswell.2
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all looking good but ladapo will make the biggest immediate impact out of them allJamesSeed said:
Let’s not forget Bakinson, who looked very useful on debut.Danny Addick said:Can’t argue with the owners, they seem to have spent well. Coventry and REG sound like v good signings for us.1
