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Who will be the new Charlton coach? - p103. Nathan Jones confirmed

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  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,352
    edited January 2024
    DubaiCAFC said:
    That’s the one 
    I hope they're aware Neil had a lot of success with his trademark 4-2-3-1 at other clubs, but at Stoke he was forced to play with wingbacks because of the squad and we know how that turned out. 
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,231
    edited January 2024
    soapboxsam said:
    Welcome to Charlton Athletic, Jürgen Klopp.

    23 minutes too late MR Dick !

    The only Problem is, Klopp can't Join until the end of the season 🤷🏻‍♂️
  • DubaiCAFC
    DubaiCAFC Posts: 2,461
    CAFCBill said:
    Gravesend_Addick said:
    Think whoever guessed Alex Neal has cracked it. Fits all the clues.

    Don't know how I'd feel about it.  Could do worse 
    I'm kind of in the same boat, he's got a great record of doing well at Sunderland and Norwich getting them promoted but also a record of taking teams close to relegation at Stoke and Preston. To be fair the same can be said of Nathan Jones and most managers to be honest. 
    He also took Preston to there highest championship finish as well.. To be honest, he did well to keep them in that league with the budget Preston have had. For me, only Stoke he failed.
  • Gravesend_Addick
    Gravesend_Addick Posts: 7,299
    So guessing the shortlist is
    Neal
    Jones
    Warnock 

    1 other - duff maybe?
  • DubaiCAFC
    DubaiCAFC Posts: 2,461
    Chunes said:
    DubaiCAFC said:
    That’s the one 
    I hope they're aware Neil had a lot of success with his trademark 4-2-3-1 at other clubs, but at Stoke he was forced to play with wingbacks because of the squad and we know how that turned out. 
    Fair points.. To be honest that formation you have mentioned, I believe will suit our midfield well.. I would say we are certainly looking to bring a winger or two in, to give us flexbility.
  • valleynick66
    valleynick66 Posts: 4,891
    Oh well - if we aren't going the ex-player / Charlton connection route then the rest of the season holds limited interest / no opportunity to at least short term enthuse the fan base.
  • swordfish
    swordfish Posts: 4,234
    DubaiCAFC said:
    swordfish said:
    As an alternative to win percentages, as Scott talked about stopping the losing mentality, here are some loss rates for comparison over managerial careers.

    Jones (29.4%)
    Duff (30.8%)
    Eustace (32.4%)
    Warnock (32.7%)
    Pearson (34.1%)
    Adkins (35.0%)
    Appleton (35.5%)
    Powell (35.9%)
    Ainsworth (37.2%)
    Bowyer (38.3%)
    Bonner (40.3%)

    Obviously of limited value, but it appears our current favourite has the best track record in avoiding defeat.
    Not on this list

    Neil's losing percentage rate is 35.2%, placing him between Adkins and Appleton.
  • Curbs_Ball
    Curbs_Ball Posts: 61
    DubaiCAFC said:
    Won promotion from the championship and league one.. But that being said, his last job didn't go to well..
    aahh this is exciting and painful in equal measures!!
  • Curbs_Ball
    Curbs_Ball Posts: 61
    L0rd_M0ntagu3 said:
    DubaiCAFC said:
    Won promotion from the championship and league one.. But that being said, his last job didn't go to well..
    Alex Neil??

    Won promotion with Norwich to the Prem and with S’Land from League One

    Last job didn’t go well with Stoke
    This could be on the money, what a shout
  • DubaiCAFC
    DubaiCAFC Posts: 2,461
    swordfish said:
    DubaiCAFC said:
    swordfish said:
    As an alternative to win percentages, as Scott talked about stopping the losing mentality, here are some loss rates for comparison over managerial careers.

    Jones (29.4%)
    Duff (30.8%)
    Eustace (32.4%)
    Warnock (32.7%)
    Pearson (34.1%)
    Adkins (35.0%)
    Appleton (35.5%)
    Powell (35.9%)
    Ainsworth (37.2%)
    Bowyer (38.3%)
    Bonner (40.3%)

    Obviously of limited value, but it appears our current favourite has the best track record in avoiding defeat.
    Not on this list

    Neil's losing percentage rate is 35.2%, placing him between Adkins and Appleton.
    Well we need to win games.. What's the point of drawing 4 and then losing.. better to lose 2 and win 2

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  • CAFCBill
    CAFCBill Posts: 398
    DubaiCAFC said:
    CAFCBill said:
    Gravesend_Addick said:
    Think whoever guessed Alex Neal has cracked it. Fits all the clues.

    Don't know how I'd feel about it.  Could do worse 
    I'm kind of in the same boat, he's got a great record of doing well at Sunderland and Norwich getting them promoted but also a record of taking teams close to relegation at Stoke and Preston. To be fair the same can be said of Nathan Jones and most managers to be honest. 
    He also took Preston to there highest championship finish as well.. To be honest, he did well to keep them in that league with the budget Preston have had. For me, only Stoke he failed.
    Fair enough, I wasn't aware of that. I've also just looked at Stoke's wiki page and they've had 10 managers (including caretakers) in the last 5 years so working under bad ownership may have been a factor there as well (Remind you of any other clubs local to the Southeast London area? lol). Also of those 10 managers, Alex Neil lasted the second longest so they must have rated him a bit if they were willing to give him longer than most of the others. 
  • DubaiCAFC
    DubaiCAFC Posts: 2,461
    CAFCBill said:
    DubaiCAFC said:
    CAFCBill said:
    Gravesend_Addick said:
    Think whoever guessed Alex Neal has cracked it. Fits all the clues.

    Don't know how I'd feel about it.  Could do worse 
    I'm kind of in the same boat, he's got a great record of doing well at Sunderland and Norwich getting them promoted but also a record of taking teams close to relegation at Stoke and Preston. To be fair the same can be said of Nathan Jones and most managers to be honest. 
    He also took Preston to there highest championship finish as well.. To be honest, he did well to keep them in that league with the budget Preston have had. For me, only Stoke he failed.
    Fair enough, I wasn't aware of that. I've also just looked at Stoke's wiki page and they've had 10 managers (including caretakers) in the last 5 years so working under bad ownership may have been a factor there as well (Remind you of any other clubs local to the Southeast London area? lol). Also of those 10 managers, Alex Neil lasted the second longest so they must have rated him a bit if they were willing to give him longer than most of the others. 
    Spoke to Stoke supporter.. He said Neil actually done okay and was unlucky.. But said Jones was the worse appointment they have had.. More I think about Jones, the less I want him
  • valleynick66
    valleynick66 Posts: 4,891
    But there are 3 others being spoken to?
  • MarcusH26
    MarcusH26 Posts: 8,056
    Neil is an interesting one , another one that's had success in multiple places but didn't work out for him at Stoke. At least he knows how to get a side out of League 1.
  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,352
    edited January 2024
    DubaiCAFC said:
    Chunes said:
    DubaiCAFC said:
    That’s the one 
    I hope they're aware Neil had a lot of success with his trademark 4-2-3-1 at other clubs, but at Stoke he was forced to play with wingbacks because of the squad and we know how that turned out. 
    Fair points.. To be honest that formation you have mentioned, I believe will suit our midfield well.. I would say we are certainly looking to bring a winger or two in, to give us flexbility.
    I really dislike the idea that we might start playing a lone striker formation again when we've got Alfie May. Where is the joined up thinking from these guys. At least make it a switch between 352 and the diamond. Signing wingers doesn't make sense.
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,231
    MarcusH26 said:
    Neil is an interesting one , another one that's had success in multiple places but didn't work out for him at Stoke. At least he knows how to get a side out of League 1.

    Michael Appleton was on his way to getting Charlton out of league 1...😱
  • Six-a-bag-of-nuts
    Six-a-bag-of-nuts Posts: 8,127
    golfaddick said:
    Chunes said:
    My Southampton supporting mate says Nathan Jones is a born again Christian and he talks about Christ the Lord in his post-match interviews. That would be different!
    And if you think Appleton's tattoos were a bit much then Jones' are a' different kettle of fish. On his back he has Michelangelo's Creation of Man. 
    Now how would you know that you dirty boy  ;)
  • TeeC
    TeeC Posts: 311
    edited January 2024
    DubaiCAFC said:
    CAFCBill said:
    DubaiCAFC said:
    CAFCBill said:
    Gravesend_Addick said:
    Think whoever guessed Alex Neal has cracked it. Fits all the clues.

    Don't know how I'd feel about it.  Could do worse 
    I'm kind of in the same boat, he's got a great record of doing well at Sunderland and Norwich getting them promoted but also a record of taking teams close to relegation at Stoke and Preston. To be fair the same can be said of Nathan Jones and most managers to be honest. 
    He also took Preston to there highest championship finish as well.. To be honest, he did well to keep them in that league with the budget Preston have had. For me, only Stoke he failed.
    Fair enough, I wasn't aware of that. I've also just looked at Stoke's wiki page and they've had 10 managers (including caretakers) in the last 5 years so working under bad ownership may have been a factor there as well (Remind you of any other clubs local to the Southeast London area? lol). Also of those 10 managers, Alex Neil lasted the second longest so they must have rated him a bit if they were willing to give him longer than most of the others. 
    Spoke to Stoke supporter.. He said Neil actually done okay and was unlucky.. But said Jones was the worse appointment they have had.. More I think about Jones, the less I want him
    . 
  • SuedeAdidas
    SuedeAdidas Posts: 7,744
    Holdkneebomb said:
    It’s Klopp
    His choppers certainly pass the height test. 

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  • Athletico Charlton
    Athletico Charlton Posts: 14,281
    DubaiCAFC said:
    Understand list is down to 4 now.. And one has really impressed.. And I haven't seen him mentioned.. win rate of 41% and promotions to his record..

    Fairly certain this describes my boys U11 manager.  I will ask him on Sunday.
  • JamesSeed
    JamesSeed Posts: 17,380
    DubaiCAFC said:
    Understand list is down to 4 now.. And one has really impressed.. And I haven't seen him mentioned.. win rate of 41% and promotions to his record..
    Steve Cooper: 41.84% win rate. 
  • Braziliance
    Braziliance Posts: 8,359


    Charlton fans when deciding a new manager 😂
  • kafka
    kafka Posts: 2,369
    Airman Brown said:
    I think win/lose %s are pretty irrelevant unless they’re in the same division. Lennie wouldn’t score brilliantly in the old Division One, but he was a high-achieving manager in the circumstances. 

    Then you have to factor in resources across the board. Easier to win games at Sunderland in L1 than at Accrington, you would think.
    Agreed. Neil's is skewed by the 54% win rate at Hamilton Academicals.
  • grumpyaddick
    grumpyaddick Posts: 6,597
    I would like to aspire to an 8% lose rate.
  • CAFCOlly
    CAFCOlly Posts: 523
    Would take Warnock (preference) or Neil.

    For some reason I feel that Jones or Duff would end in tears (based upon nothing but gut feeling).
  • ValleyBen
    ValleyBen Posts: 572
    Warnock if he is actually in the running would be my first choice but prefer Neil over Jones 
  • FishCostaFortune
    FishCostaFortune Posts: 10,773
    kafka said:
    Airman Brown said:
    I think win/lose %s are pretty irrelevant unless they’re in the same division. Lennie wouldn’t score brilliantly in the old Division One, but he was a high-achieving manager in the circumstances. 

    Then you have to factor in resources across the board. Easier to win games at Sunderland in L1 than at Accrington, you would think.
    Agreed. Neil's is skewed by the 54% win rate at Hamilton Academicals.
    If you take out his best and worse performances as manager his win/loss % is 43.

    Not sure what any of that means or proves, but I wanted to look at it anyway.
  • CAFCsayer
    CAFCsayer Posts: 10,230
    Neil would be a bit of a meh appointment. Warnock would probably be my first choice, but dont think he would come here. Think Nathan Jones would be a good fit for us

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