I’m really not liking the way this search is going in terms of the kind of names in the frame.
Just my opinion but I really don’t think it will end well come May if this is the road we go down.
Who was you expecting 🤔
Oh this is what I was expecting….. experience from an exceptionally large sample size states that managers like these who have decent CVs but don’t have a special bond never work out.
anyway it is what it is - let’s see where we are in May and then we will know if it was the right approach.
If I were pushed I probably go Rowett - but then again you can already see the Agent Rowett jokes from that lot from a mile off!
The reality of all this is that it is pretty much pot luck. We could find that Herr Klopp really does fancy a challenge only to discover that his flush is busted. Back in reality land we could discover that Jones really is the fruitloop that some of us fear rather than the Messiah (pun intended). We could get Eustace and discover that he was a one hit wonder. We could get Darren Moore and discover that his flush is likewise busted. We could get Duff and discover that he’s aptly named after all. We could get a bright young manager on the make and pull another Garner out of the hat. The success stories are really hard to find in this game. The list of candidates being touted this time is generally a little more appetizing than last time round but there is no truly outstanding candidate (I was kidding about Klopp btw!). We just need to hope that whoever gets it doesn’t crash and burn. We don’t need to like them to support them. I really can’t abide Jones but I didn’t much care for Bowyer either. I really liked JJ but didn’t rate him as a manager. I went through various emotions with Robinson and ended up with a begrudging respect for him. I thought Garner was a little prick. I really liked Nigel but he was pretty ridiculous with all that walking is wonderful crap. And so it goes on. Whoever we get is going to have to work hard to get us on board because we are, let’s face it, pretty low on expectation and patience these days. I’m not expecting miracles (sorry Nathan).
A team 18th in League One getting Nathan Jones is really impressive. It's just over a year ago a pretty well run Premier League club opted for him as manager. Although it didn't work out, his achievements at Luton are remarkable and I really hope if we give him time, he could do the same here.
the 'remarkable achievements' at Luton were, as I have opined before, more down to Mick Harford than Jones .. as I have also said before, Jones is NOT NOT NOT the manager we need, he is at best a fair to middling player coach
Nathan Jones managed them for 170 games between January 2016 and January 2019. He got them promoted from L2 in that time and managed the first half of their L1 winning season.
Mick Harford managed them for 21 games between January 2019 and May 2019 (when they won L1).
Nathan Jones then came back in 2020, kept them up in the Championship, then finished 12th and improved again when they finished 6th and lost in the playoffs. He managed them for another 133 games.
Wanted to look this up to understand your point. In the 5 months Harford was there how could he have had a greater influence than the 300+ games Jones was there, in which they improved every season?
two main points .. Harford was the manager for the important five months during which Luton were promoted from L1, secondly he was with the club, and I believe he still is for far longer than 5 months .. and on TWO occasions he has taken over Luton's management following Jones's desertion of the club. Harford was there during Luton's 'success' in the Championship. Jones is a serial loser more than a serial winner and is not to be trusted .. yes he got Luton out of L2, BUT what has he achieved since as a solo act ?
ANYWAY, we all have our opinions about good/bad managers, I say once more, I wouldn't touch Nathan Jones with a bargepole when it comes to managing CAFC
Lincs…..I’ve always viewed you as a sound and sensible poster but on this occasion I am cheesed off at your negative comments……CL has been plagued with negative posters for months now(even years), I for one would love all the negative posters to just go away for a while and I’m really quite surprised to see you joining them at this time which is certainly more encouraging than we have seen in several years.🫤
IMO i do feel the club needs to have someone in before the final day of the transfer window to give us much stronger footing for any perspective signings.
With Darren Moore suddenly available, is he an option ?
I felt this way about Moore in September and still feel this way now: 1) I think he is a Championship manager now. I know he didn't do well at Hudds, man did they draw a lot, but Hudds aren't a good side and following Neil Warnock is always hard because he's pretty good at leaving before things get really bad.
2) We do not have a side to play Darren Moore football.
For me it's the second thing that's most disqualifying. By all accounts a great guy, think we'd grow to love him, I just don't think he's the right manager.
I remember people complaining about the football under Powell as I enjoyed my favourite season of all time followed by getting as close as we have got to having a go at a return to the PL since we were relegated.
Cannot beat the feeling at the Valley after a win, I could not care less how many sideways passes we take to get that vital goal.
And a clean sheet.
A CLEAN SHEET WIN.
Notice that we stopped getting Clean Sheet wins since we stopped playing that song.
Unless there is a stumbling block I would expect him to be appointed on Wednesday and taking the game on Saturday
He would be such a huge step up in terms of recent appointments and hopefully someone that can really galvanise the club. I know there are some who aren’t convinced but it would be such a huge leap in the right direction for me.
A team 18th in League One getting Nathan Jones is really impressive. It's just over a year ago a pretty well run Premier League club opted for him as manager. Although it didn't work out, his achievements at Luton are remarkable and I really hope if we give him time, he could do the same here.
the 'remarkable achievements' at Luton were, as I have opined before, more down to Mick Harford than Jones .. as I have also said before, Jones is NOT NOT NOT the manager we need, he is at best a fair to middling player coach
Nathan Jones managed them for 170 games between January 2016 and January 2019. He got them promoted from L2 in that time and managed the first half of their L1 winning season.
Mick Harford managed them for 21 games between January 2019 and May 2019 (when they won L1).
Nathan Jones then came back in 2020, kept them up in the Championship, then finished 12th and improved again when they finished 6th and lost in the playoffs. He managed them for another 133 games.
Wanted to look this up to understand your point. In the 5 months Harford was there how could he have had a greater influence than the 300+ games Jones was there, in which they improved every season?
two main points .. Harford was the manager for the important five months during which Luton were promoted from L1, secondly he was with the club, and I believe he still is for far longer than 5 months .. and on TWO occasions he has taken over Luton's management following Jones's desertion of the club. Harford was there during Luton's 'success' in the Championship. Jones is a serial loser more than a serial winner and is not to be trusted .. yes he got Luton out of L2, BUT what has he achieved since as a solo act ?
ANYWAY, we all have our opinions about good/bad managers, I say once more, I wouldn't touch Nathan Jones with a bargepole when it comes to managing CAFC
Lincs…..I’ve always viewed you as a sound and sensible poster but on this occasion I am cheesed off at your negative comments……CL has been plagued with negative posters for months now(even years), I for one would love all the negative posters to just go away for a while and I’m really quite surprised to see you joining them at this time which is certainly more encouraging than we have seen in several years.🫤
I'm being negative re Nathan Jones .. NOT the club as a whole .. you should read more of my posts .. and t b h I don't give a hoot if you're cheesed of with the Jones situation .. I just do not want this geezer anywhere near us EVER .. OK ? .. anyway thanks for the errr complimentary (I think) comments re my posts in general
I've only just logged on today - busy day post Sundance trip.
I haven't put my £50 on Rowett..... yet....but my betting account has enough in it.....
One of the candidates will only come if he can be Manager not Head Coach.
He feels if Charlton want to progress they need to make changes.
I'm not sure why any Millwall fan was unhappy with Rowett's time there. Consistently bottom six lowest budget and 90 minutes away from the play offs before the chairman died.
I really will have to log off here if GR gets the job - could be a win-win for some of you!!!
I've only just logged on today - busy day post Sundance trip.
I haven't put my £50 on Rowett..... yet....but my betting account has enough in it.....
One of the candidates will only come if he can be Manager not Head Coach.
He feels if Charlton want to progress they need to make changes.
I'm not sure why any Millwall fan was unhappy with Rowett's time there. Consistently bottom six lowest budget and 90 minutes away from the play offs before the chairman died.
I really will have to log off here if GR gets the job - could be a win-win for some of you!!!
Are there many managers about any more ? It’s pretty much all head coaches these days.
NJ sounds *very* boom or bust to me. High ceiling, low floor.
He could be the man that leads us to the fringes of the Premier League BUT if he goes off the rails, he could be part of the succession of managers that send us into the fourth tier for the first time ever.
That is in stark contrast to the other front runners IMO who would I would say are more “low ceiling, high floor” appointments in Warnock, Neil, Rowett etc. They probably aren’t taking clubs to the Premier League these days, but they would definitely be able to get us up to the Championship and they certainly wouldn’t let us get relegated from League One.
If they want Jones I appreciate them having 1. the money to do it because it won’t be cheap and 2. the big bollocks to go with a risky appointment that might pay off in spades versus the safe pairs of hands.
Hang on, so what manager do we want? Someone who doesn’t have the capability of reaching the fringes of the premier league and rotting in the top half of league one every season? I’m not suggesting this is what you mean exactly but I think we need to have a bit of a reality check here. For where we are, Nathan Jones would be a very good appointment for the long term future of this club! Couldn’t give a toss about his Southampton and Stoke days…both clubs were in ruins before the day he joined them!!
It's not about turning him down - he absolutely has the most potential of all the candidates which is very exciting. I'm just saying that he has previous for going off the rails (Southampton didn't sack him so quickly without good reason) and if he goes off the rails again, the possibility of League 2 becomes even more real than it already is. That is not true of other candidates where there's a clear path/strategy to having them get us out of this league and then continue building on their work in a few years time with another manager who takes us up yet another level.
If this ownership is it for the long haul and can accept the risk that comes with that then more power to them. He could be the best manager we've had in a long long time.
Trying to think of one example of each scenario where a club has hired a "nutcase".
An example of it going well is probably Bielsa at Leeds. They got their promotion that they desperately wanted but you can't say that he was a safe pair of hands, he doesn't do things conventionally and has history of leaving clubs on a whim.
An example of it going very wrong might be Felix Magath at Fulham who was previously decently regarded in Germany, managing Bayern from 2004-07 among others. It went wrong quite quickly, sacked after 20 games that involved a relegation and he famously told one of their centre backs to treat a knee injury with a block of cheese soaked in alcohol.
To be fair, no one ever proved that the cheese thing DIDN'T heal the knee.
These are two good examples. I think the biggest difference I feel (apart from level of quality) is that Bielsa and Magath were known quantities, whereas Jones' record is mixed and he has only had success at one club. Bielsa was and is known as one of if not the greatest tactical minds of his generation who could be mercurial, distant, and downright weird, but was also beloved in places where things worked out (Athletic Bilbao). And it was brilliant at Leeds. And not to go on about it, but every time we had a managerial opening before he went to Leeds I said we should get him in.
And then Magath was known...well, for being a nutter from what I understand.
I'm kind of surprised that so many people are skeptical of Jones, but also, I am too. His meltdown at Southampton was...stark. And fast. So while on the one hand the last time we had a manager who'd manager in the Prem it was Pards ~15 years ago, on the other hand I just can't get past the fact that he has not had success at the senior level anywhere but Luton. Obviously was highly rated here, got two jobs off of his work at Luton, But I just don't know.
I will say, credit to the board/owners/whomever for talking to him. It shows intent, even if we have reservations. And it may be that this is the perfect place for Jones to rebuild his reputation. Whenever we hire a manager I want someone who is progressive in their outlook and who can hopefully grow with the club up the divisions (ideally, one day). And Jones feels like he has the highest upside of anyone out there. The risk is also pretty high, but I'm not sure the "doomsday scenario" is that drastically worse than for say a Neil or Rowett, it just might happen faster.
I've only just logged on today - busy day post Sundance trip.
I haven't put my £50 on Rowett..... yet....but my betting account has enough in it.....
One of the candidates will only come if he can be Manager not Head Coach.
He feels if Charlton want to progress they need to make changes.
I'm not sure why any Millwall fan was unhappy with Rowett's time there. Consistently bottom six lowest budget and 90 minutes away from the play offs before the chairman died.
I really will have to log off here if GR gets the job - could be a win-win for some of you!!!
Are there many managers about any more ? It’s pretty much all head coaches these days.
and that is all too often a real problem .. too many cooks involved in team matters .. Directors of Football, coaches, physios, trainers, owners, advisers, soothsayers etc etc .. should be one man, THE manager running the team with minimal interference
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anyway it is what it is - let’s see where we are in May and then we will know if it was the right approach.
If I were pushed I probably go Rowett - but then again you can already see the Agent Rowett jokes from that lot from a mile off!
I would go for diff but his name doesn't seem to be mentioned much
Unless there is a stumbling block I would expect him to be appointed on Wednesday and taking the game on Saturday
I don’t want us to go down as I think it will be the end of us, and IMO the kinds of names we are being linked with will not end well.
1) I think he is a Championship manager now. I know he didn't do well at Hudds, man did they draw a lot, but Hudds aren't a good side and following Neil Warnock is always hard because he's pretty good at leaving before things get really bad.
2) We do not have a side to play Darren Moore football.
For me it's the second thing that's most disqualifying. By all accounts a great guy, think we'd grow to love him, I just don't think he's the right manager.
COINCIDENCE?!?!?!
I haven't put my £50 on Rowett..... yet....but my betting account has enough in it.....
One of the candidates will only come if he can be Manager not Head Coach.
He feels if Charlton want to progress they need to make changes.
I'm not sure why any Millwall fan was unhappy with Rowett's time there. Consistently bottom six lowest budget and 90 minutes away from the play offs before the chairman died.
I really will have to log off here if GR gets the job - could be a win-win for some of you!!!
These are two good examples. I think the biggest difference I feel (apart from level of quality) is that Bielsa and Magath were known quantities, whereas Jones' record is mixed and he has only had success at one club. Bielsa was and is known as one of if not the greatest tactical minds of his generation who could be mercurial, distant, and downright weird, but was also beloved in places where things worked out (Athletic Bilbao). And it was brilliant at Leeds. And not to go on about it, but every time we had a managerial opening before he went to Leeds I said we should get him in.
And then Magath was known...well, for being a nutter from what I understand.
I'm kind of surprised that so many people are skeptical of Jones, but also, I am too. His meltdown at Southampton was...stark. And fast. So while on the one hand the last time we had a manager who'd manager in the Prem it was Pards ~15 years ago, on the other hand I just can't get past the fact that he has not had success at the senior level anywhere but Luton. Obviously was highly rated here, got two jobs off of his work at Luton, But I just don't know.
I will say, credit to the board/owners/whomever for talking to him. It shows intent, even if we have reservations. And it may be that this is the perfect place for Jones to rebuild his reputation. Whenever we hire a manager I want someone who is progressive in their outlook and who can hopefully grow with the club up the divisions (ideally, one day). And Jones feels like he has the highest upside of anyone out there. The risk is also pretty high, but I'm not sure the "doomsday scenario" is that drastically worse than for say a Neil or Rowett, it just might happen faster.