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Who will be the new Charlton coach? - p103. Nathan Jones confirmed
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If she stopped going to see us years ago, why do I keep bumping into her at matches this season?bolloxbolder said:
I enjoy the podcast but I have to say apart from yesterday (She worked with him) I struggle to understand why she is on it.JamesSeed said:
3 lols (and one like) for this. Is this because of anti Jones sentiment, or anti Sue sentiment?JamesSeed said:Sue Gallop speaking very highly of NJ on Charlton Live. 👍
She stopped going or watching us a year ago, follows her local non league club and is clearly not up to date with the goings on at the club
Yesterday she kept going on about how much better it will be when Leaburn is back. Louis eventually had to interrupt to say he was out for the season.
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Let’s leave it there please, thanks5
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Looking forward to seeing him take us up through the leagues to the prem, and the first game of the season a 5-0 win against Southampton...4
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This is what concerns me.Braziliance said:
That is my logic, he laid the foundations for two different managers to achieve promotions which he may well have earned himself.fenaddick said:
Just on your last line, both times he left Luton the next manager had success in part because he’d built a solid foundation. If he does that with us and gets poached it will be annoying but at least we’d be in a better positionBraziliance said:
Tbf Lancs, he went back to Luton between Stoke and Southampton, and won manager of the season in the championship.lancashire lad said:Not enthused by this appointment as NJ has had two poor appointments more recently than Luton but pleased that the club have made a higher level appointment. I'm even less enthused by the actions of our SMT who by delaying the termination of Appleton have put us in danger of relegation that even the messiah that is Jones might not avoid.
However I will give him and his team my full support and hope that my unenthusiastic post is wrong.
Which tells me he's more than capable, he just ran before he could get up to a light jogging speed, again.
Hopefully he doesn't make the same mistake three times with us
We have to just hope he can replicate it at Charlton, I think some Luton fan put it quite well that I saw earlier ;
Did NJ lay the foundation for Luton’s success, or was the foundation laid by others and he was one of a few that has benefitted from it?
A club that has a foundation and a togetherness behind the scenes in place, he’s a big success. Clubs that are in turmoil, less so. In that way, he’s a good manager but yet to prove that he’s a great manager.
Luton’s rise from non-league started under John Still, not Nathan Jones so you cannot argue he was the catalyst for their rise from the depths.
I am very hopeful but also very wary that this could also crash and burn a la his Stoke and Southampton stints.One thing is for sure, I don’t think we will see 10th-18th places finishes in the third tier under his management.2 -
Nathan Jones does not have the time at present to build any culture across the club.
We play Reading next, he needs to prepare for that game, which means getting to know as much a possible about where the players are at right now, and picking and motivating a winning team.
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There's a day one job, of dealing with this season, but the idea he can't also think long-term is silly, he's a capable manager and coach and will hopefully get what's needed done this season soon9
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Perhaps we should be more focused on where we might be in five years time that the constant fear of relegation in a few month's time. It destroys confidence.
Even if we go down, it can hardly be blamed on Nathan Jones.
Who knows, perhaps one season of humiliation at the lowest level might drill some humility into us.
Either way I say let's back the fella come what may. Enough chaos for one club, for one lifetime.4 -
Hopefully short term thinking initially, then start working on the long term vision for his version of Charlton once we have a two digit points gap between us and the bottom four.0
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I may have missed it, but is Paul Hart joining as one of his coaches? I bloody hope so! I also hope they keep Curtis on as well.0
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“Morning lads, I’m Nathan the Boss”
Right here we go !Some of you are defenders and stop goals. Some of you are forwards and score goals.
Questions ?
Ok lots of questions ….11 -
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Graham Moore ?soapboxsam said:We have had two Welsh Captains:
Mark Aizlewood and Don WELSH 😀4 -
Not been saidJessie said:
Curious to know if anyone has posted an answer to this? Thanks.robroy said:Any idea of contract length?
Nothing on coaching team been saidRedmidland said:I may have missed it, but is Paul Hart joining as one of his coaches? I bloody hope so! I also hope they keep Curtis on as well.2 -
Would imagine more news on coaching staff etc will come this week.0
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Hopefully Nathan Jones meets and greets the players at 9.30 at Sparrows lane and tells the players to cancel their golf or gaming in the afternoons as they will be there until 4 pm all week and he will allow them a half day on Wednesday (instead of a day off) because the Reading game is so important in Charlton's battle to stay in the 3rd tier.25
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At the very least you'd hope there's some extra defensive work sessions. We haven't kept a clean sheet since October.......against Reading.soapboxsam said:Hopefully Nathan Jones meets and greets the players at 9.30 at Sparrows lane and tells the players to cancel their golf or gaming in the afternoons as they will be there until 4 pm all week and he will allow them a half day on Wednesday (instead of a day off) because the Reading game is so important in Charlton's battle to stay in the 3rd tier.5 -
Sheffield United this season are another example. Chris Wilder slightly improved Sheffield United when he took over, but they've reverted to being well beatenChris_from_Sidcup said:
Was going to say that when they got rid of him, the guy who came in after him (Ruben Selles) did even worse, an 11% win rate. So this pretty much shows it wasn't on the manager, their team was just abysmal.The Red Robin said:Completely ignoring his Southampton time. They failed to win their last six games at the end of the 21/22 season under Hasenhuttl. Jones came in during the November after he was sacked after winning twice in nine games. They were easily the worst team in the league regardless of manager.
Jones actually went unbeaten in his first three league games there.They won two league games in sixteen after he left.2 -
But Sheffield United are proper proper shit, and are going down regardless. We're not proper proper shit, we're just meh, but that should be mid table league 1, not shit ya pants stuff that happening nowkillerandflash said:
Sheffield United this season are another example. Chris Wilder slightly improved Sheffield United when he took over, but they've reverted to being well beatenChris_from_Sidcup said:
Was going to say that when they got rid of him, the guy who came in after him (Ruben Selles) did even worse, an 11% win rate. So this pretty much shows it wasn't on the manager, their team was just abysmal.The Red Robin said:Completely ignoring his Southampton time. They failed to win their last six games at the end of the 21/22 season under Hasenhuttl. Jones came in during the November after he was sacked after winning twice in nine games. They were easily the worst team in the league regardless of manager.
Jones actually went unbeaten in his first three league games there.They won two league games in sixteen after he left.3 -
We've lost a LOT of games by one goal. It isn't that we're shit ya pants terrible, it's that something is just not happening for these players. We're not far from being quite good. Hopefully Jones is the difference23
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From what I’ve read about Jones, he’s definitely not a shrinking violet. He’ll say it like it is and will find other ways to make his point if necessary. We don’t know for sure but it does sound like to me at least that Brener and Friedman have been hands on with this appointment. I’m guessing here of course but I think that they must have taken councel outside of the CAFC SMT and why wouldn’t they. It’s not taken long for things to go even more pear shaped than they were when they acquired the club. I doubt either Brener or Friedman would know Nathan Jones from Adam so they’ve definitely taken someone’s advice and because of Scott’s previous and probably expensive disasters with Holden and Appleton I think in this case he’s been sidelined to some extent. Compared to the previous two’s salary, Jones would have cost more. Probably quite a lot more and on that basis you’d expect him to demand to call the shots. I think the two Americans understand that and have given Jones more control. I have a feeling we might see Lenegans name cropping up more than it has. His role is unclear for me but I have no doubt he’s now more involved and perhaps the trio of Methven, Scott and Rodwell are under his scrutiny. Next three months could I feel see a change in the way we’re run. Won’t be at all surprised to see Scott or Rodwell depart. I’m also thinking that Jones now has a direct line to the money men should he feel the need. We need to dig into Lenegan because I think he’s going to become a lot more visible.Gillis said:Having read some of the thoughts of Luton fans and people that have worked with him before, it sounds like Jones' success at Luton came from building a culture across the entire club and getting everyone to buy into it. It seems like that buy in is essential, because he demands a lot from his players. Where he's been less successful at Stoke and Southampton, it would appear he hasn't been given time to develop the culture he wants, and has struggled to get the buy-in from a dressing room of Premier League or ex-Premier League players.
To me, someone who will establish a strong culture at the club and demand total commitment from the players is exactly what we need. It's also exactly what we've seen whenever this club has been successful. I'm also encouraged by the fact that he's seen what Charlton looks like when it's succeeding, because I'm not sure there are many people left around the place that can say that now.
My concerns are as follows:
1) Will he be given the time he needs to build the foundations and establish the culture he wants?
2) Does he have the energy and desire (and perhaps humility) to start all over again after bruising experiences at Stoke and Southampton? When he started the process at Luton, he was in his first job in management, with all of the enthusiasm and determination to succeed that brings.
3) Will Andy Scott be content to let Jones develop his own culture at the club and bring in his own people (staff and players)? I wonder if Scott might see that as treading on his toes, or even a threat to his own position (I don't necessarily agree with the view of many on here that everything is Scott's fault and he needs to go, but I see tension between the way Scott has described his own role and the way Jones seems to like to operate).
Lots of potential upside, lots of potential potential problems. Whichever way it goes, it's definitely the most exciting appointment we've had in a long time.4 -
It is (as with last year) down to our defence.Leuth said:We've lost a LOT of games by one goal. It isn't that we're shit ya pants terrible, it's that something is just not happening for these players. We're not far from being quite good. Hopefully Jones is the difference
Last year we scored 70 (6th highest in the divison) but conceded 66 (joint 9th worst)
This year we've scored 43 (8th highest) but conceded 46 (3rd worst).
So it's not hard to see where we need to improve. Improve the defence and we'll be fine.12 -
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Leuth said:We've lost a LOT of games by one goal. It isn't that we're shit ya pants terrible, it's that something is just not happening for these players. We're not far from being quite good. Hopefully Jones is the difference
He's certainly been the difference in two of the last 3 games.
Oh, I see, you meant Nathan...
Agree with your point, though.
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@Redmidland as Henners said nothing on the back room staff as yet however this extract from a respected Luton Town fan’s view in Chicago Addicks blog may be of interest;Redmidland said:I may have missed it, but is Paul Hart joining as one of his coaches? I bloody hope so! I also hope they keep Curtis on as well.
“With regards to the set up and backroom staff he brings with him, this is varied in his two spells at Luton. Paul Hart was undoubtably very influential during Jones’s first stint at Luton. However, citing the long journey from his home on the south coast, Hart chose to part ways with Jones during his second spell at Luton. At this point ex Luton town player Alan Sheehan and former Nottingham Forest recruit Chris Cohen came in as his main backroom staff. With Sheehan recently joining Luke Williams at Swansea in a coaching role and Chris Cohen doing the same at Lincoln it remains to be seen who Jones would choose as his back room staff.”
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2 Good articles from Chicago8
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I think this is absolutely spot on.grumpyaddick said:Perhaps we should be more focused on where we might be in five years time that the constant fear of relegation in a few month's time. It destroys confidence.
Even if we go down, it can hardly be blamed on Nathan Jones.
Who knows, perhaps one season of humiliation at the lowest level might drill some humility into us.
Either way I say let's back the fella come what may. Enough chaos for one club, for one lifetime.3 -
We will stay up no question we are not in a mess now we finally have good owners but their trying to work their way through the mess of the last 18 years … that’s not going to be sorted in 6 monthshoof_it_up_to_benty said:I just hope we stay up. Jones sounds a strange character based on the interviews I've heard.
I'm quite amazed at the mess we're in.6 -
Most reliable RonnieMoore PostRonnieMoore said:
We will stay up no question we are not in a mess now we finally have good owners but their trying to work their way through the mess of the last 18 years … that’s not going to be sorted in 6 monthshoof_it_up_to_benty said:I just hope we stay up. Jones sounds a strange character based on the interviews I've heard.
I'm quite amazed at the mess we're in.0 -
I would be interested in the points lost by goals after 85 minutes.1
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I believe @Callumcafc posted something on this on a different thread, at least on the amount of goals conceded late on.rememberbillybonds said:I would be interested in the points lost by goals after 85 minutes.0
