Alexei Navalny RIP

Maybe this is why Farage likes Putin so much? 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/tucker-carlson-putin-navalny-dead-b2497560.html

What a terrible country to live in, no democracy and a leader who is a tyrant. Couple of other countries not far behind,

Bailey said:

masicat said:

Maybe this is why Farage likes Putin so much? 

Eventually, Boris Johnson, Trump and Farage's connections to Russia and Putin will surface, then you will find that Brexit was paid for to destabilise Europe and if Trump gets back in world war three is just around the corner.   

No idea how you reach that conclusion. I don't like the guy but while Trump was President there were no wars, Russia and China were put in their place. Iran stopped misbehaving and even that maniac in North Korea shut up for a while. And there was NO threat of WW3.

Major said:

Bailey said:

masicat said:

Maybe this is why Farage likes Putin so much? 

Eventually, Boris Johnson, Trump and Farage's connections to Russia and Putin will surface, then you will find that Brexit was paid for to destabilise Europe and if Trump gets back in world war three is just around the corner.   

No idea how you reach that conclusion. I don't like the guy but while Trump was President there were no wars, Russia and China were put in their place. Iran stopped misbehaving and even that maniac in North Korea shut up for a while. And there was NO threat of WW3.

That's certainly an alternative view. It might be worth looking at Trumps recent comments about actually encouraging Russia to attack countries who haven't paid their dues for NATO membership. You may think he is right but there are certain things you keep under, in my opinion. Anyway, everyone is entitled to their opinion and you may well be right Major, lets see how it plays out. 

Trump wants to pull US troops and weapons out of Eastern Europe, effectively undoing everything NATO has achieved in deterring russian aggression. Can you just imagine how the Baltic nations of Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania are feeling. The NATO pact will still remain that if one NATO member is attacked then it’s considered that all have been attacked. Conflict is assured. Trump undoubtedly has links to The Kremlin. Trumps NATO intentions are everything Putin has wanted at a stroke. I’ll be amazed if there is not some further conflict in Europe outside of Ukraine within the next ten years. Trump is a madman and Putin an evil madman. What could possibly go wrong. Navalny’s death is a tragedy and another step in Putins path to something unthinkable.

Bailey said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

Trump wants to pull US troops and weapons out of Eastern Europe, effectively undoing everything NATO has achieved in deterring russian aggression. Can you just imagine how the Baltic nations of Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania are feeling. The NATO pact will still remain that if one NATO member is attacked then it’s considered that all have been attacked. Conflict is assured. Trump undoubtedly has links to The Kremlin. Trumps NATO intentions are everything Putin has wanted at a stroke. I’ll be amazed if there is not some further conflict in Europe outside of Ukraine within the next ten years. Trump is a madman and Putin an evil madman. What could possibly go wrong. Navalny’s death is a tragedy and another step in Putins path to something unthinkable.

That was so well put Shooters, actually puts it exactly as I see it. I'm sorry if people disagree, but I am happy with anyone's take on the situation, every ones opinion is valid. I just find it amazing that after the murders in Salisbury, countless murders of his own citizens, including the Oligarchs who suddenly started flying out of windows, that people can't see where this is heading. Perhaps they don't want too, but I promise you that if Trump undermines NATO, Putin will attack the Baltics and Poland in an attempt to recreate the Iron curtain, and NATO will invoke article 5 and without the USA we will lose very very badly. 

I hope these comments are not detracting from the murder of Navalny. I’d hope he would appreciate the conversation being had. The absence of US forces and support for NATO in any conflict with the Russians would be very serious but I take some comfort that the combined military of European NATO forces would be significant. The war in Ukraine has proved that Russian forces are not all conquering and the equipment is mostly sub standard. Putin can try to rebuild his army but Russian finances will be under the pressure of sanctions for years to come. There are restraints he faces but let’s not forget he’s quite mad. I still think Putin has ambitions in the baltics and Trump as US president is an assist rather than a deterrent.

Don't be surprised if Putin discovers that Navalny was murdered by a prison guard who will then be arrested and executed. So, nothing to see here - move along............

The whole world knows Putin was responsible for this and he's happy with that. It's his was of saying "This is what happens when you stand in my way".

Wow, what a brave man. Navalny put his principles first and foremost despite unbelievable danger and has finally paid the price. Huge respect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4PxsTqcZtw

https://edition.cnn.com/videos/tv/2024/02/16/amanpour-bianna-golodryga-evgenia-kara-murza-navalny.cnn

This interview with the wife of Vladimir Kara-Murza is well worth listening to - if only to see the heights of bravery that human beings can reach in the face of the KGB thug and murderer in the Kremlin.

Putin's treatment of Vladimir is very similar to that received by Navalny - poisoned (twice), falsely imprisoned, not treated properly for illness while in prison, prison location withheld from relatives, contact with relatives cruelly limited etc. etc.

Vladimir as well as being a Russian patriot is also a British citizen and David Cameron should be taking steps to secure his release from prison. He could start by threatening to send home the Russian Ambassador (who regularly tweets directly and through the Embassy account derogatory and undiplomatic statements, which almost certainly would not be tolerated if our Embassy in Moscow were to respond in kind) if Vladimir is not released immediately.  We need to stop being nice to the murderous thug in the Kremlin and his regime - who I suspect is a lot weaker than many here actually think.

sm said:

https://edition.cnn.com/videos/tv/2024/02/16/amanpour-bianna-golodryga-evgenia-kara-murza-navalny.cnn

This interview with the wife of Vladimir Kara-Murza is well worth listening to - if only to see the heights of bravery that human beings can reach in the face of the KGB thug and murderer in the Kremlin.

Putin's treatment of Vladimir is very similar to that received by Navalny - poisoned (twice), falsely imprisoned, not treated properly for illness while in prison, prison location withheld from relatives, contact with relatives cruelly limited etc. etc.

Vladimir as well as being a Russian patriot is also a British citizen and David Cameron should be taking steps to secure his release from prison. He could start by threatening to send home the Russian Ambassador (who regularly tweets directly and through the Embassy account derogatory and undiplomatic statements, which almost certainly would not be tolerated if our Embassy in Moscow were to respond in kind) if Vladimir is not released immediately.  We need to stop being nice to the murderous thug in the Kremlin and his regime - who I suspect is a lot weaker than many here actually think.

James O’Brien had the same question as @EastTerrace above to Bill Browder (and I had that question too). In answer Browder cited Kara-Murza as his friend, whom he had also asked the question when he announced he was returning to Russia. K-M basically said it is his duty to his country. This deep attachment and commitment to Mother Russia is something that nearly all of us in the West are unable to comprehend, but it explains a lot of things, the mundane as well as the serious, about Russia and its people. 

400 people who placed flowers in memory and respect for Navalny were arrested and put in prison. Quite why people are still prepared to show any support for the monster Putin I have no idea. Not all of his supporters are on the gravy train.