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Charlton Summer Transfer Rumours 2024

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  • YannTheMann
    YannTheMann Posts: 1,032
    Richard J said:
    Which keeper ' domino ' falls to us?

    Cooper to Sheffield United probably wouldn't trigger anything given that apparently Adam Davies failed a medical with us. It also means the Pilgrims will be looking to get someone in.

    I agree Travers would easily get a Championship gig ( maybe Plymouth?)

    If say Ramsdale or Johnstone go to Southampton would that might mean Joe Lumley becomes available.

    Are we still looking for a clear number one or are we now just looking for someone to compete with Mannion? For me Lumley would be the latter 
    God that list is pretty depressing in all honesty (probably accurate in terms of targets just depressing). In normal circumstances I would be fuming at our recruitment department for what looks like a blunder from the outside, but as has been stated many times, this has clearly been a fucking strange summer in regards to goalkeepers moving around. 

    I honestly think the pool of viable candidates who would both be considered a defined number one and in a position to where we could reasonably sign them is rapidly drying out (at least English based options, nothing to say that we couldn't be a little more creative here with who we go for).
  • MarcusH26
    MarcusH26 Posts: 8,029
    Richard J said:
    Which keeper ' domino ' falls to us?

    Cooper to Sheffield United probably wouldn't trigger anything given that apparently Adam Davies failed a medical with us. It also means the Pilgrims will be looking to get someone in.

    I agree Travers would easily get a Championship gig ( maybe Plymouth?)

    If say Ramsdale or Johnstone go to Southampton would that mean Joe Lumley becomes available.

    Are we still looking for a clear number one or are we now just looking for someone to compete with Mannion? For me Lumley would be the latter 

    Still hoping for one of the Coventry keepers to fall to us. Either Collins or Wilson. Don't think there's been too much Prem Keeper movement beyond Chelsea yet to free any potential targets up. Will Dennis maybe at Bournemouth? 
  • RonnieMoore
    RonnieMoore Posts: 4,496
    CAFCOlly said:
    Moving Taylor on is likely more to do with the fact that we can't shift Fraser but we still need to improve the midfield/other areas. I'm sure Jones would rather shift Fraser than Taylor but there (unsurprisingly) seems to be no takers for Fraser.

    More likely to be interest in Taylor which would then open up budget to strengthen the squad whilst still having Fraser on the books. 
    There are takers for Fraser but they can’t compete with the wages we pay and that’s in the Scottish Premiership 
  • cantersaddick
    cantersaddick Posts: 16,907
    Maybe, as Man Utd’s new loan manager, Mickey Apples can do us a favour and sort us out with a season long loan deal for Radek Vitek https://youtu.be/5pn2pxFejsI?si=AZdlE5AJGpW1a1jh
    Would be the first favour hes ever done us!
  • I think AMB is one of the better keepers in L1, falls down on command of box and distribution. Mannion is an upgrade. I think we merely need a better U21 keeper than shortarse 18 yo MacLorg as No 3.
  • Crusty54
    Crusty54 Posts: 3,228
    I think AMB is one of the better keepers in L1, falls down on command of box and distribution. Mannion is an upgrade. I think we merely need a better U21 keeper than shortarse 18 yo MacLorg as No 3.
    Have you seen MacLorg play? I have several times. He's considerably better than the other under 21 keepers that were released.
  • mart77
    mart77 Posts: 5,658
    Crusty54 said:
    I think AMB is one of the better keepers in L1, falls down on command of box and distribution. Mannion is an upgrade. I think we merely need a better U21 keeper than shortarse 18 yo MacLorg as No 3.
    Have you seen MacLorg play? I have several times. He's considerably better than the other under 21 keepers that were released.
    DFTT
  • sm
    sm Posts: 2,958
    Not sure why NJ prefers CC to TT as he signed neither.

    1. TT at least three inches taller than CC (who Wiki measures at 5'10" - what?)

    2.  TT is more athletic and can put in a tackle.

    3. TT is the only player in the squad who has a dead ball delivery.

    4. CC played 17 games last season and was never better than mediocre in any.

    5. CC is not a Dobson type CDM, he is seen more of a 'quarterback'. So why are we playing hoofball?
    I would have thought hoofball is the football equivalent of what quarterbacks do. The real issue is how good the hoofs are?
  • sm
    sm Posts: 2,958
    CAFCOlly said:
    Moving Taylor on is likely more to do with the fact that we can't shift Fraser but we still need to improve the midfield/other areas. I'm sure Jones would rather shift Fraser than Taylor but there (unsurprisingly) seems to be no takers for Fraser.

    More likely to be interest in Taylor which would then open up budget to strengthen the squad whilst still having Fraser on the books. 
    There are takers for Fraser but they can’t compete with the wages we pay and that’s in the Scottish Premiership 
    Sounds like the Scots have us over a barrel   - make low ball offers and then wait until the last moment when we have to get rid of a disaffected player. Given the games being played I'd be tempted to make him go to Torquay United on a loan for next to nothing.
  • sm said:
    CAFCOlly said:
    Moving Taylor on is likely more to do with the fact that we can't shift Fraser but we still need to improve the midfield/other areas. I'm sure Jones would rather shift Fraser than Taylor but there (unsurprisingly) seems to be no takers for Fraser.

    More likely to be interest in Taylor which would then open up budget to strengthen the squad whilst still having Fraser on the books. 
    There are takers for Fraser but they can’t compete with the wages we pay and that’s in the Scottish Premiership 
    Sounds like the Scots have us over a barrel   - make low ball offers and then wait until the last moment when we have to get rid of a disaffected player. Given the games being played I'd be tempted to make him go to Torquay United on a loan for next to nothing.
    And how exactly would you make him do that ?
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  • Billy_Mix
    Billy_Mix Posts: 2,707
    sm said:
    CAFCOlly said:
    Moving Taylor on is likely more to do with the fact that we can't shift Fraser but we still need to improve the midfield/other areas. I'm sure Jones would rather shift Fraser than Taylor but there (unsurprisingly) seems to be no takers for Fraser.

    More likely to be interest in Taylor which would then open up budget to strengthen the squad whilst still having Fraser on the books. 
    There are takers for Fraser but they can’t compete with the wages we pay and that’s in the Scottish Premiership 
    Sounds like the Scots have us over a barrel   - make low ball offers and then wait until the last moment when we have to get rid of a disaffected player. Given the games being played I'd be tempted to make him go to Torquay United on a loan for next to nothing.
    If we can loan him off anywhere while still picking up 95% of his wages, we're still £250/week better off than having him cluttering up the place - and that's without taking into account all the money saved on Irn Bru, haggis and neeps
  • Starinnaddick
    Starinnaddick Posts: 4,342
    edited August 2024
    Is Alfie Whiteman out of our range?
    Should be available to loan. 
  • sm
    sm Posts: 2,958
    sm said:
    CAFCOlly said:
    Moving Taylor on is likely more to do with the fact that we can't shift Fraser but we still need to improve the midfield/other areas. I'm sure Jones would rather shift Fraser than Taylor but there (unsurprisingly) seems to be no takers for Fraser.

    More likely to be interest in Taylor which would then open up budget to strengthen the squad whilst still having Fraser on the books. 
    There are takers for Fraser but they can’t compete with the wages we pay and that’s in the Scottish Premiership 
    Sounds like the Scots have us over a barrel   - make low ball offers and then wait until the last moment when we have to get rid of a disaffected player. Given the games being played I'd be tempted to make him go to Torquay United on a loan for next to nothing.
    And how exactly would you make him do that ?
    Aren't employees required to do what they are told anymore? Alternatively, we could offer to release him from his overly generous contract - it isnt as though he has offered much in return for his rather large salary.  in the rest of the world no one would be quite so generous/polite to a n9n performing employee earning as much as is reported.
  • Richard J
    Richard J Posts: 8,030
    edited August 2024
    Is Alfie Whiteman out of our range?
    Should be available to loan. 
    I wouldn't be opposed to him but he hasn't played many first team matches apart from one  appearance for Spurs as a late sub ( similar to David Button) and around 30 games in the Swedish league.

    Another one to compete with Mannion rather than being a clear number one.
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,757
    CAFCOlly said:
    Moving Taylor on is likely more to do with the fact that we can't shift Fraser but we still need to improve the midfield/other areas. I'm sure Jones would rather shift Fraser than Taylor but there (unsurprisingly) seems to be no takers for Fraser.

    More likely to be interest in Taylor which would then open up budget to strengthen the squad whilst still having Fraser on the books. 
    There are takers for Fraser but they can’t compete with the wages we pay and that’s in the Scottish Premiership 
    So, no takers for Fraser then?
  • Starinnaddick
    Starinnaddick Posts: 4,342
    Richard J said:
    Is Alfie Whiteman out of our range?
    Should be available to loan. 
    I wouldn't be opposed to him but he hasn't played many first team matches apart from one  appearance for Spurs as a late sub ( similar to David Button) and around 30 games in the Swedish league.

    Another one to compete with Mannion rather than being a clear number one.
    Been told he's not in Spurs plans. 
  • CAFCOlly said:
    Moving Taylor on is likely more to do with the fact that we can't shift Fraser but we still need to improve the midfield/other areas. I'm sure Jones would rather shift Fraser than Taylor but there (unsurprisingly) seems to be no takers for Fraser.

    More likely to be interest in Taylor which would then open up budget to strengthen the squad whilst still having Fraser on the books. 
    There are takers for Fraser but they can’t compete with the wages we pay and that’s in the Scottish Premiership 
    So, no takers for Fraser then?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7NlFWh7Sz8
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,212
    sm said:
    sm said:
    CAFCOlly said:
    Moving Taylor on is likely more to do with the fact that we can't shift Fraser but we still need to improve the midfield/other areas. I'm sure Jones would rather shift Fraser than Taylor but there (unsurprisingly) seems to be no takers for Fraser.

    More likely to be interest in Taylor which would then open up budget to strengthen the squad whilst still having Fraser on the books. 
    There are takers for Fraser but they can’t compete with the wages we pay and that’s in the Scottish Premiership 
    Sounds like the Scots have us over a barrel   - make low ball offers and then wait until the last moment when we have to get rid of a disaffected player. Given the games being played I'd be tempted to make him go to Torquay United on a loan for next to nothing.
    And how exactly would you make him do that ?
    Aren't employees required to do what they are told anymore? Alternatively, we could offer to release him from his overly generous contract - it isnt as though he has offered much in return for his rather large salary.  in the rest of the world no one would be quite so generous/polite to a n9n performing employee earning as much as is reported.
    No, they are required to do what is in their contract of employment, which in Fraser's case is to be available to play football for Charlton Athletic.

    Not Torquay or anyone else unless he agrees.

    IMHO it's a three way game of poker. Clubs will take him but only if we pay some of his wages, we are asking for X% but the other clubs are only offering Y%.

    Meanwhile, I suspect that Fraser would take a payoff ala Charlie Kirk but again we might be offering X and he's is holding out for Y, as is his right.

    He was given a contract and is entitled to see it out just as we are entitled to hold on to any players registration unless another club offers us the fee we want 
  • Southbank
    Southbank Posts: 5,251
    edited August 2024
    I think AMB is one of the better keepers in L1, falls down on command of box and distribution. Mannion is an upgrade. I think we merely need a better U21 keeper than shortarse 18 yo MacLorg as No 3.
    I have not seen Mannion make a decent save yet. He seems steady enough but not yet proven.
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  • doronron
    doronron Posts: 817
    I think Jones' comment about Zach Mitchell is more telling than anything when it comes to Taylor: 'he’s aggressive, front-footed and really mobile. So these are people we want to take forward'. Taylor's known for putting in a tackle but I think he's not a blood and thunder type midfielder and I guess he hasn't been able to adapt to the front-footed press like Jones would want. When Edun came on against Birmingham he was flying into tackles and challenging for high balls so he's clearly trying to work the way he's being asked, you'd have to suspect Taylor hasn't been able to change his game in the same way and that's why Edun made the squad and Taylor didn't. I think it's a real shame as I was comfortable with having him as the understudy to Coventry and I think he'll probably go on and be good elsewhere
    Can't remember but was Taylor given a squad number?
    12
  • shirty5
    shirty5 Posts: 19,215
    Macronate said:
    Olivia Attwood's not going to enjoy living in a caravan.
  • Major said:
    Well, thats eight and a half minutes I'll never get back.
    Congratulations, I made it to 3 minutes before I gave up, and me still nervous...🙄
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,757
    Major said:
    Well, thats eight and a half minutes I'll never get back.
    You’re welcome
  • Mendonca In Asdas
    Mendonca In Asdas Posts: 22,650
    edited August 2024
    shirty5 said:
    Macronate said:
    Olivia Attwood's not going to enjoy living in a caravan.
    Exactly the sort of player we should be signing, highly injury prone, and on a fair old whack!
  • soapy_jones
    soapy_jones Posts: 21,348
    Chill winston lt guh bi aright.
  • charltonbob
    charltonbob Posts: 8,254
    Contrary to others,  I thought that was a reasonable cameo by Edun, on Tuesday evening. 

    I think he is a footballer, with lots of pace and energy. 
    When he first came to us I was impressed & his play reminded me a lot of Rhoys Wiggins. Unfortunately for whatever reason he fell away, maybe Jones can bring out the best of him. 


  • charltonbob
    charltonbob Posts: 8,254
    Maybe, as Man Utd’s new loan manager, Mickey Apples can do us a favour and sort us out with a season long loan deal for Radek Vitek https://youtu.be/5pn2pxFejsI?si=AZdlE5AJGpW1a1jh
    Haven't we had enough of keepers who push the ball out into the danger area. What ever happened to the art of goalkeeping where they make a save & actually hold on to the ball.
  • 995632
    995632 Posts: 319
    wmcf123 said:
    Contrary to others,  I thought that was a reasonable cameo by Edun, on Tuesday evening. 

    I think he is a footballer, with lots of pace and energy. 
    I actually think box-to-box centre mid suits his attributes better than left back. 
    God I miss Bielik, Cullen, Aribo . 
    And when we talk about loans, never forget that the first two were loans, although in Josh Cullen’s case it can be hard to remember that as he spent two full seasons with us, was almost ever-present when we managed to injure every other decent midfielder, and personally I  dont recall a game when he wasn’t one of the top three performers on the day. But I am sure NJ would acknowledge that.  
    You're forgetting Cullen's shoulder injury... Think it was a weird game where we lost him and another player to similar injuries... 
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