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Charlton Summer Transfer Rumours 2024
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king addick said:Cant see why Edun cant be an asset to the team. I will admit has has looked much more comfortable in CM than at LB though he can offer that versatility. He seems to have an engine on him and isn't afraid to stick a leg in where it counts.5
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Henry Irving said:sm said:ShootersHillGuru said:sm said:RonnieMoore said:CAFCOlly said:Moving Taylor on is likely more to do with the fact that we can't shift Fraser but we still need to improve the midfield/other areas. I'm sure Jones would rather shift Fraser than Taylor but there (unsurprisingly) seems to be no takers for Fraser.
More likely to be interest in Taylor which would then open up budget to strengthen the squad whilst still having Fraser on the books.
Not Torquay or anyone else unless he agrees.
IMHO it's a three way game of poker. Clubs will take him but only if we pay some of his wages, we are asking for X% but the other clubs are only offering Y%.
Meanwhile, I suspect that Fraser would take a payoff ala Charlie Kirk but again we might be offering X and he's is holding out for Y, as is his right.
He was given a contract and is entitled to see it out just as we are entitled to hold on to any players registration unless another club offers us the fee we want
There is always a balance to be struck between employer and employee and in general I would argue that the pendulum had swung too far in favour of the employer in recent years, but with footballers earning getting on for a reported near £500k per year in the case of Fraser the balance is clearly wrong. Fraser signed the initial lucrative contract and if he doesn't want to fulfil it and move to Scotland with his family it seems wrong that he should expect to be paid out in full.3 -
king addick said:Cant see why Edun cant be an asset to the team. I will admit has has looked much more comfortable in CM than at LB though he can offer that versatility. He seems to have an engine on him and isn't afraid to stick a leg in where it counts.
If he's worth keeping purely on that basis I don't know, personally I'd shed no tears if he left and would keep Taylor instead if I had to pick one of the two - but I don't, Jones does so let's see how that goes.1 -
thenewbie said:king addick said:Cant see why Edun cant be an asset to the team. I will admit has has looked much more comfortable in CM than at LB though he can offer that versatility. He seems to have an engine on him and isn't afraid to stick a leg in where it counts.
If he's worth keeping purely on that basis I don't know, personally I'd shed no tears if he left and would keep Taylor instead if I had to pick one of the two - but I don't, Jones does so let's see how that goes.1 -
NabySarr said:thenewbie said:king addick said:Cant see why Edun cant be an asset to the team. I will admit has has looked much more comfortable in CM than at LB though he can offer that versatility. He seems to have an engine on him and isn't afraid to stick a leg in where it counts.
If he's worth keeping purely on that basis I don't know, personally I'd shed no tears if he left and would keep Taylor instead if I had to pick one of the two - but I don't, Jones does so let's see how that goes.
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MuttleyCAFC said:king addick said:Cant see why Edun cant be an asset to the team. I will admit has has looked much more comfortable in CM than at LB though he can offer that versatility. He seems to have an engine on him and isn't afraid to stick a leg in where it counts.
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There was a Bakinson role?
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Croydon said:MuttleyCAFC said:king addick said:Cant see why Edun cant be an asset to the team. I will admit has has looked much more comfortable in CM than at LB though he can offer that versatility. He seems to have an engine on him and isn't afraid to stick a leg in where it counts.We haven’t seen Taylor in training, whereas NJ has. And when he’s had minutes he looked pretty lightweight didn’t he?1
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Some of the hate for Tayo is way OTT, he's never been a hider, he looks absolutely shagged of confidence at the moment to me. Hopefully if we can get a run going, being around a successful side will lift him up. Bradley Pritchard was someone who I think benefited from an environment like I described26
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Croydon said:MuttleyCAFC said:king addick said:Cant see why Edun cant be an asset to the team. I will admit has has looked much more comfortable in CM than at LB though he can offer that versatility. He seems to have an engine on him and isn't afraid to stick a leg in where it counts.4
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sm said:Henry Irving said:sm said:ShootersHillGuru said:sm said:RonnieMoore said:CAFCOlly said:Moving Taylor on is likely more to do with the fact that we can't shift Fraser but we still need to improve the midfield/other areas. I'm sure Jones would rather shift Fraser than Taylor but there (unsurprisingly) seems to be no takers for Fraser.
More likely to be interest in Taylor which would then open up budget to strengthen the squad whilst still having Fraser on the books.
Not Torquay or anyone else unless he agrees.
IMHO it's a three way game of poker. Clubs will take him but only if we pay some of his wages, we are asking for X% but the other clubs are only offering Y%.
Meanwhile, I suspect that Fraser would take a payoff ala Charlie Kirk but again we might be offering X and he's is holding out for Y, as is his right.
He was given a contract and is entitled to see it out just as we are entitled to hold on to any players registration unless another club offers us the fee we want
There is always a balance to be struck between employer and employee and in general I would argue that the pendulum had swung too far in favour of the employer in recent years, but with footballers earning getting on for a reported near £500k per year in the case of Fraser the balance is clearly wrong. Fraser signed the initial lucrative contract and if he doesn't want to fulfil it and move to Scotland with his family it seems wrong that he should expect to be paid out in full.3 -
Major said:Callumcafc said:
Bloody hell, I got to 30 seconds and couldn't work out if he was nervous or not and gave up 😅0 -
Croydon said:MuttleyCAFC said:king addick said:Cant see why Edun cant be an asset to the team. I will admit has has looked much more comfortable in CM than at LB though he can offer that versatility. He seems to have an engine on him and isn't afraid to stick a leg in where it counts.
Experiment with Edun in midfield?
Edun's actual position is midfield, always was.
All his career Edun played as a midfielder.
At Lincoln, his manager Appleton eventually asked him to cover at LB during an injury crisis.
Now Jones is playing Edun in midfield again, his natural position.2 -
I will never not be amazed by the idiocy of people comparing footballers' contracts and responsibilities to standard employment contracts16
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Garrymanilow said:I will never not be amazed by the idiocy of people comparing footballers' contracts and responsibilities to standard employment contracts3
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Surely there must be some more Lincoln, Ipswich, Cambridge, or Luton players we could sign?13
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sm said:Henry Irving said:sm said:ShootersHillGuru said:sm said:RonnieMoore said:CAFCOlly said:Moving Taylor on is likely more to do with the fact that we can't shift Fraser but we still need to improve the midfield/other areas. I'm sure Jones would rather shift Fraser than Taylor but there (unsurprisingly) seems to be no takers for Fraser.
More likely to be interest in Taylor which would then open up budget to strengthen the squad whilst still having Fraser on the books.
Not Torquay or anyone else unless he agrees.
IMHO it's a three way game of poker. Clubs will take him but only if we pay some of his wages, we are asking for X% but the other clubs are only offering Y%.
Meanwhile, I suspect that Fraser would take a payoff ala Charlie Kirk but again we might be offering X and he's is holding out for Y, as is his right.
He was given a contract and is entitled to see it out just as we are entitled to hold on to any players registration unless another club offers us the fee we want
There is always a balance to be struck between employer and employee and in general I would argue that the pendulum had swung too far in favour of the employer in recent years, but with footballers earning getting on for a reported near £500k per year in the case of Fraser the balance is clearly wrong. Fraser signed the initial lucrative contract and if he doesn't want to fulfil it and move to Scotland with his family it seems wrong that he should expect to be paid out in full.
That's what contracts are.
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Oggy Red said:Croydon said:MuttleyCAFC said:king addick said:Cant see why Edun cant be an asset to the team. I will admit has has looked much more comfortable in CM than at LB though he can offer that versatility. He seems to have an engine on him and isn't afraid to stick a leg in where it counts.
Experiment with Edun in midfield?
Edun's actual position is midfield, always was.
All his career Edun played as a midfielder.
At Lincoln, his manager Appleton eventually asked him to cover at LB during an injury crisis.
Now Jones is playing Edun in midfield again, his natural position.0 -
Croydon said:Oggy Red said:Croydon said:MuttleyCAFC said:king addick said:Cant see why Edun cant be an asset to the team. I will admit has has looked much more comfortable in CM than at LB though he can offer that versatility. He seems to have an engine on him and isn't afraid to stick a leg in where it counts.
Experiment with Edun in midfield?
Edun's actual position is midfield, always was.
All his career Edun played as a midfielder.
At Lincoln, his manager Appleton eventually asked him to cover at LB during an injury crisis.
Now Jones is playing Edun in midfield again, his natural position.
He did. And pulled up no trees.
Blackburn signed Edun on the back of one impressive season at LB at Lincoln, filling in at LB.
But before that, Lincoln had signed him and played him as a midfielder, as he had done all his career previously at Fulham, Ipswich and every level of England youth/development team.
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Hadn’t realised Edun was a CM or his previous pedigree. Hopefully he comes good.0
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Jones talks about front footed, aggressive football. Edun went through the age groups & and at Lincoln with a bit of a reputation for being aggressive and hot headed, and I think Jones likes that in him.
By comparison, Terry Taylor is probably a decent player at this level but he doesn’t have those same characteristics. It’s not a bad thing but he definitely gives a “Captain Cleanshorts” type of vibe when he’s on the pitch and that doesn’t mesh as well with what Jones wants to see from his midfield players.
If TT is the only saleable asset we have right now that can allow Jones to go out and get one more player that he really likes then I can see the logic in doing that while carrying Edun as the 5th/6th midfielder in the squad instead.4 -
Croydon said:MuttleyCAFC said:king addick said:Cant see why Edun cant be an asset to the team. I will admit has has looked much more comfortable in CM than at LB though he can offer that versatility. He seems to have an engine on him and isn't afraid to stick a leg in where it counts.0
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Henry Irving said:sm said:Henry Irving said:sm said:ShootersHillGuru said:sm said:RonnieMoore said:CAFCOlly said:Moving Taylor on is likely more to do with the fact that we can't shift Fraser but we still need to improve the midfield/other areas. I'm sure Jones would rather shift Fraser than Taylor but there (unsurprisingly) seems to be no takers for Fraser.
More likely to be interest in Taylor which would then open up budget to strengthen the squad whilst still having Fraser on the books.
Not Torquay or anyone else unless he agrees.
IMHO it's a three way game of poker. Clubs will take him but only if we pay some of his wages, we are asking for X% but the other clubs are only offering Y%.
Meanwhile, I suspect that Fraser would take a payoff ala Charlie Kirk but again we might be offering X and he's is holding out for Y, as is his right.
He was given a contract and is entitled to see it out just as we are entitled to hold on to any players registration unless another club offers us the fee we want
There is always a balance to be struck between employer and employee and in general I would argue that the pendulum had swung too far in favour of the employer in recent years, but with footballers earning getting on for a reported near £500k per year in the case of Fraser the balance is clearly wrong. Fraser signed the initial lucrative contract and if he doesn't want to fulfil it and move to Scotland with his family it seems wrong that he should expect to be paid out in full.
That's what contracts are.4 -
I see Derby have signed a new Swedish keeper.
Would this make Josh Vickers available?0 -
sm said:Henry Irving said:sm said:Henry Irving said:sm said:ShootersHillGuru said:sm said:RonnieMoore said:CAFCOlly said:Moving Taylor on is likely more to do with the fact that we can't shift Fraser but we still need to improve the midfield/other areas. I'm sure Jones would rather shift Fraser than Taylor but there (unsurprisingly) seems to be no takers for Fraser.
More likely to be interest in Taylor which would then open up budget to strengthen the squad whilst still having Fraser on the books.
Not Torquay or anyone else unless he agrees.
IMHO it's a three way game of poker. Clubs will take him but only if we pay some of his wages, we are asking for X% but the other clubs are only offering Y%.
Meanwhile, I suspect that Fraser would take a payoff ala Charlie Kirk but again we might be offering X and he's is holding out for Y, as is his right.
He was given a contract and is entitled to see it out just as we are entitled to hold on to any players registration unless another club offers us the fee we want
There is always a balance to be struck between employer and employee and in general I would argue that the pendulum had swung too far in favour of the employer in recent years, but with footballers earning getting on for a reported near £500k per year in the case of Fraser the balance is clearly wrong. Fraser signed the initial lucrative contract and if he doesn't want to fulfil it and move to Scotland with his family it seems wrong that he should expect to be paid out in full.
That's what contracts are.
Imagine the boot was on the other foot and Alfie May had said in the summer "you signed me as part of a promotion push, I scored the goals but the rest of the team wasn't good enough therefore I'm ripping up my contract and am moving to Birmingham for no fee".
That is what you are arguing for.
That's why club's sign players on long contracts; to protect that investment. It's why players sign long contracts; to protect their earnings.
Sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't but the contract is the contract.
If we don't want him we can pay him off. If Fraser is so desperate to go he can ask to be released for no fee (as Small was) to find another club. Right now, neither side has reached that point.
By 30 August, deadline day, that might have changed.22 -
Oggy Red said:Croydon said:Oggy Red said:Croydon said:MuttleyCAFC said:king addick said:Cant see why Edun cant be an asset to the team. I will admit has has looked much more comfortable in CM than at LB though he can offer that versatility. He seems to have an engine on him and isn't afraid to stick a leg in where it counts.
Experiment with Edun in midfield?
Edun's actual position is midfield, always was.
All his career Edun played as a midfielder.
At Lincoln, his manager Appleton eventually asked him to cover at LB during an injury crisis.
Now Jones is playing Edun in midfield again, his natural position.
He did. And pulled up no trees.
Blackburn signed Edun on the back of one impressive season at LB at Lincoln, filling in at LB.
But before that, Lincoln had signed him and played him as a midfielder, as he had done all his career previously at Fulham, Ipswich and every level of England youth/development team.
Hopefully he comes good in CM, but saying he's spent all his career playing midfield is a stretch.
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Henry Irving said:sm said:Henry Irving said:sm said:Henry Irving said:sm said:ShootersHillGuru said:sm said:RonnieMoore said:CAFCOlly said:Moving Taylor on is likely more to do with the fact that we can't shift Fraser but we still need to improve the midfield/other areas. I'm sure Jones would rather shift Fraser than Taylor but there (unsurprisingly) seems to be no takers for Fraser.
More likely to be interest in Taylor which would then open up budget to strengthen the squad whilst still having Fraser on the books.
Not Torquay or anyone else unless he agrees.
IMHO it's a three way game of poker. Clubs will take him but only if we pay some of his wages, we are asking for X% but the other clubs are only offering Y%.
Meanwhile, I suspect that Fraser would take a payoff ala Charlie Kirk but again we might be offering X and he's is holding out for Y, as is his right.
He was given a contract and is entitled to see it out just as we are entitled to hold on to any players registration unless another club offers us the fee we want
There is always a balance to be struck between employer and employee and in general I would argue that the pendulum had swung too far in favour of the employer in recent years, but with footballers earning getting on for a reported near £500k per year in the case of Fraser the balance is clearly wrong. Fraser signed the initial lucrative contract and if he doesn't want to fulfil it and move to Scotland with his family it seems wrong that he should expect to be paid out in full.
That's what contracts are.
Imagine the boot was on the other foot and Alfie May had said in the summer "you signed me as part of a promotion push, I scored the goals but the rest of the team wasn't good enough therefore I'm ripping up my contract and am moving to Birmingham for no fee".
That is what you are arguing for.
That's why club's sign players on long contracts; to protect that investment. It's why players sign long contracts; to protect their earnings.
Sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't but the contract is the contract.
If we don't want him we can pay him off. If Fraser is so desperate to go he can ask to be released for no fee (as Small was) to find another club. Right now, neither side has reached that point.
By 30 August, deadline day, that might have changed.3 -
Croydon said:Oggy Red said:Croydon said:Oggy Red said:Croydon said:MuttleyCAFC said:king addick said:Cant see why Edun cant be an asset to the team. I will admit has has looked much more comfortable in CM than at LB though he can offer that versatility. He seems to have an engine on him and isn't afraid to stick a leg in where it counts.
Experiment with Edun in midfield?
Edun's actual position is midfield, always was.
All his career Edun played as a midfielder.
At Lincoln, his manager Appleton eventually asked him to cover at LB during an injury crisis.
Now Jones is playing Edun in midfield again, his natural position.
He did. And pulled up no trees.
Blackburn signed Edun on the back of one impressive season at LB at Lincoln, filling in at LB.
But before that, Lincoln had signed him and played him as a midfielder, as he had done all his career previously at Fulham, Ipswich and every level of England youth/development team.
Hopefully he comes good in CM, but saying he's spent all his career playing midfield is a stretch.0
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