Lyle Taylor - August 2025 signed for Chelmsford City (p295)

Dizzle said:

PrincessFiona said:

Dizzle said:

PrincessFiona said:

What does he mean he opted against signing a short-term contract? Why would one have been needed? Surely he was still contracted to us at the time? Is he trying to male excuses?

It was the Covid stoppage season. Players contracts run out 30th June I believe. There were 6 further games beyond that. Some players played on, some refused to play after 30th June (Solly) and some refused to play at all (Taylor). 

I assume we tried to arrange short term contracts to extend to the end of that seasons games, but he refused that also. 

Did they specifically end on 30 June? If so, wouldn't that have affected numerous players - at Charlton and elsewhere?

I am pretty sure I remember that being the case at the time. It was debated A LOT on here due to Taylor’s decision. Many played on with what I assume would be a rolling contract. 

MintoHumbugs said:

It’s ironic Taylor’s big move ended up being pretty much the end of his career. Granted he got a big pay cheque but  the last few years have just seen him drift from club to club leaving disappointment wherever he goes.

MintoHumbugs said:

It’s ironic Taylor’s big move ended up being pretty much the end of his career. Granted he got a big pay cheque but  the last few years have just seen him drift from club to club leaving disappointment wherever he goes.

Radostanradical said:

Garrymanilow said:

Radostanradical said:

Garrymanilow said:

Radostanradical said:

Garrymanilow said:

Radostanradical said:

Garrymanilow said:

Radostanradical said:

but would you have paid my mortgage and given me the money should I have got injured in those matches before my move to Forest ? sorry I mean would you have paid Lyle.

All this said it happened, i understand why he did what he did but it doesnt sit well with me and he has burnt his bridges why he still cares is beyond me. However Solly also refused to play when it made even less sense for him and is welcomed back with open arms, i think we all know why.

Yes, because one was a squad player who had been told he wasn’t needed next season and would have played exactly one match as a rotation option to rest the preferred right back. Instead a different academy player filled that role and did fine. The other was absolutely our best player and talisman, and our only chance of getting the goals we needed to stay up. We didn’t and we’ve not got back up since. Let’s not pretend the two situations had anything like the same effect 

But the point is still valid there was still no reason for Solly to refuse to play but he did it anyway, he wasnt going on to a life changing move like I was (sorry, Lyle was), Also Lyle wasn't our best player that season, our season went down hill when Gallagher left for me as we lacked any tenacity in midfields but thats bar the point as im not defending Taylor. Let’s not pretend we cant see the other reason why Solly is welcomed back as "one of own" when he was our club captain that refused to play.

Gallagher didn’t play for us anymore. Lyle did. Similarly prime Scott Parker would have been our best player by your logic but he too no longer played for us. Lyle was our best player of people who actually played for us, I don’t feel like that should really need explaining. I can speak for myself when I say that what I was and remain upset about is that we needed Taylor to stay up, he refused to play and we didn’t. Solly would have contributed exactly zero to us staying up unless he’d scored a last minute worldie against Cardiff to add to his 3 goals in 300 appearances. You can invent whatever secret reason you like for why they’re treated differently but it isn’t going to change reality. 

Its not a secret reason we all know why but feel free to live in denial. Our club captain who had no reason to decided to refuse to be available then when it's convenient he decides to return but he is welcomed back with open arms. Taylor aside and we don't need to discuss that anymore as we all know what happened there, Solly has never explained why he refused to be available and the decent thing even if he wasn't going to play would be to say I'm here if you need me.

Btw im not saying anyone should forgive Taylor but you should keep the same energy for ALL the players who refused to play.

It just shames as all when people just refuse to see the REAL difference between the two. 

I genuinely don’t know what reason you are alluding to. Please clarify for me 

I explained already previously. Solly is seen as "one of our own" so we forgive our club captain making himself unavailable allegedly

Oh right, that’s something that you’ve invented and applied to everyone, which is odd. I don’t care that Solly is ‘one of our own’, I still haven’t forgiven Scott Parker for 2004, I’m quite happy to be annoyed at academy players. I just don’t care about Solly because we didn’t need him and his service before that offset it entirely. What you’re forgetting in this thing you’ve concocted is David Davis didn’t come back either. He’s not one of our own but he was rubbish in the 5 games he did play and I reckon most of the people on this thread don’t even remember he was here, let alone hate him. Hardly one of our own. Taylor’s absence killed what had already been a really difficult season and he showed absolutely no remorse for it, that’s the reason. 

It's an opinion by your logic everything on this forum is invented ? Also I've not applied it to everyone, if y want to criticise anything I've said actually criticise the points I've made not the ones you apply to me for sake of your own feelings

Garrymanilow said:

Radostanradical said:

Garrymanilow said:

Radostanradical said:

Garrymanilow said:

Radostanradical said:

Garrymanilow said:

Radostanradical said:

Garrymanilow said:

Radostanradical said:

but would you have paid my mortgage and given me the money should I have got injured in those matches before my move to Forest ? sorry I mean would you have paid Lyle.

All this said it happened, i understand why he did what he did but it doesnt sit well with me and he has burnt his bridges why he still cares is beyond me. However Solly also refused to play when it made even less sense for him and is welcomed back with open arms, i think we all know why.

Yes, because one was a squad player who had been told he wasn’t needed next season and would have played exactly one match as a rotation option to rest the preferred right back. Instead a different academy player filled that role and did fine. The other was absolutely our best player and talisman, and our only chance of getting the goals we needed to stay up. We didn’t and we’ve not got back up since. Let’s not pretend the two situations had anything like the same effect 

But the point is still valid there was still no reason for Solly to refuse to play but he did it anyway, he wasnt going on to a life changing move like I was (sorry, Lyle was), Also Lyle wasn't our best player that season, our season went down hill when Gallagher left for me as we lacked any tenacity in midfields but thats bar the point as im not defending Taylor. Let’s not pretend we cant see the other reason why Solly is welcomed back as "one of own" when he was our club captain that refused to play.

Gallagher didn’t play for us anymore. Lyle did. Similarly prime Scott Parker would have been our best player by your logic but he too no longer played for us. Lyle was our best player of people who actually played for us, I don’t feel like that should really need explaining. I can speak for myself when I say that what I was and remain upset about is that we needed Taylor to stay up, he refused to play and we didn’t. Solly would have contributed exactly zero to us staying up unless he’d scored a last minute worldie against Cardiff to add to his 3 goals in 300 appearances. You can invent whatever secret reason you like for why they’re treated differently but it isn’t going to change reality. 

Its not a secret reason we all know why but feel free to live in denial. Our club captain who had no reason to decided to refuse to be available then when it's convenient he decides to return but he is welcomed back with open arms. Taylor aside and we don't need to discuss that anymore as we all know what happened there, Solly has never explained why he refused to be available and the decent thing even if he wasn't going to play would be to say I'm here if you need me.

Btw im not saying anyone should forgive Taylor but you should keep the same energy for ALL the players who refused to play.

It just shames as all when people just refuse to see the REAL difference between the two. 

I genuinely don’t know what reason you are alluding to. Please clarify for me 

I explained already previously. Solly is seen as "one of our own" so we forgive our club captain making himself unavailable allegedly

Oh right, that’s something that you’ve invented and applied to everyone, which is odd. I don’t care that Solly is ‘one of our own’, I still haven’t forgiven Scott Parker for 2004, I’m quite happy to be annoyed at academy players. I just don’t care about Solly because we didn’t need him and his service before that offset it entirely. What you’re forgetting in this thing you’ve concocted is David Davis didn’t come back either. He’s not one of our own but he was rubbish in the 5 games he did play and I reckon most of the people on this thread don’t even remember he was here, let alone hate him. Hardly one of our own. Taylor’s absence killed what had already been a really difficult season and he showed absolutely no remorse for it, that’s the reason. 

It's an opinion by your logic everything on this forum is invented ? Also I've not applied it to everyone, if y want to criticise anything I've said actually criticise the points I've made not the ones you apply to me for sake of your own feelings

‘Solly…is welcomed back with open arms, I think we all know why’

’let’s not pretend we can’t see the other reason Solly was welcomed back’

’it just shames us all when people refuse to see the REAL difference between the two’. 

These are all quotes from you. You’ve not expressed it as an opinion, you’ve repeatedly denied other people’s justifications for why they are annoyed at Taylor and said there’s a secret reason that they refuse to acknowledge and you’ve also said that it ‘shames us all’ when we don’t accept that it’s a homegrown player thing, which is you very much applying it to everyone. Multiple people have said they don’t care about the homegrown player thing, but you just tell them they’re lying or refusing to accept the truth. You’ll notice I’ve quoted you there, which is me criticising the points you’ve made, as I have been this whole time, shown in the parts about Parker and Davis which you have ignored because they don’t fit your position of ‘this is what I think and therefore anyone who doesn’t agree is in denial’. You’re projecting. 

PrincessFiona said:

Dizzle said:

PrincessFiona said:

Dizzle said:

PrincessFiona said:

What does he mean he opted against signing a short-term contract? Why would one have been needed? Surely he was still contracted to us at the time? Is he trying to male excuses?

It was the Covid stoppage season. Players contracts run out 30th June I believe. There were 6 further games beyond that. Some players played on, some refused to play after 30th June (Solly) and some refused to play at all (Taylor). 

I assume we tried to arrange short term contracts to extend to the end of that seasons games, but he refused that also. 

Did they specifically end on 30 June? If so, wouldn't that have affected numerous players - at Charlton and elsewhere?

I am pretty sure I remember that being the case at the time. It was debated A LOT on here due to Taylor’s decision. Many played on with what I assume would be a rolling contract. 

exactly - he's just trying to have an excuse/justification

Kap10 said:

PrincessFiona said:

Dizzle said:

PrincessFiona said:

Dizzle said:

PrincessFiona said:

What does he mean he opted against signing a short-term contract? Why would one have been needed? Surely he was still contracted to us at the time? Is he trying to male excuses?

It was the Covid stoppage season. Players contracts run out 30th June I believe. There were 6 further games beyond that. Some players played on, some refused to play after 30th June (Solly) and some refused to play at all (Taylor). 

I assume we tried to arrange short term contracts to extend to the end of that seasons games, but he refused that also. 

Did they specifically end on 30 June? If so, wouldn't that have affected numerous players - at Charlton and elsewhere?

I am pretty sure I remember that being the case at the time. It was debated A LOT on here due to Taylor’s decision. Many played on with what I assume would be a rolling contract. 

exactly - he's just trying to have an excuse/justification

All contracts ending, end on 30th June. The covid season this remained the same. Some players and clubs negotiated an extension, Taylor and Solly did not, however I believe that Nabby Sarr's contract also expired on 30th June that year  ut he decided to play on / agree a short term contract 

swords_alive said:

The Sun is carrying the story too. Part of the interview in in the previous Twitter link. Don't think the insurance policy is previously mentioned. Seems ambiguous.

""We offered an insurance policy against me so that should I have got a long-term injury, it would have then meant that the loss of that contract was negated to a degree. That was rejected.

"We tried to find a way around the issues... there was an owner of the football club who stopped it from happening.

"So I had to make a decision that was best for me because the club had already made a decision that was best for them.

"At the end of the day, I'm still Judas because I made a decision for me.""

Kap10 said:

PrincessFiona said:

Dizzle said:

PrincessFiona said:

Dizzle said:

PrincessFiona said:

What does he mean he opted against signing a short-term contract? Why would one have been needed? Surely he was still contracted to us at the time? Is he trying to male excuses?

It was the Covid stoppage season. Players contracts run out 30th June I believe. There were 6 further games beyond that. Some players played on, some refused to play after 30th June (Solly) and some refused to play at all (Taylor). 

I assume we tried to arrange short term contracts to extend to the end of that seasons games, but he refused that also. 

Did they specifically end on 30 June? If so, wouldn't that have affected numerous players - at Charlton and elsewhere?

I am pretty sure I remember that being the case at the time. It was debated A LOT on here due to Taylor’s decision. Many played on with what I assume would be a rolling contract. 

exactly - he's just trying to have an excuse/justification

All contracts ending, end on 30th June. The covid season this remained the same. Some players and clubs negotiated an extension, Taylor and Solly did not, however I believe that Nabby Sarr's contract also expired on 30th June that year  ut he decided to play on / agree a short term contract 

Billy_Mix said:

swords_alive said:

The Sun is carrying the story too. Part of the interview in in the previous Twitter link. Don't think the insurance policy is previously mentioned. Seems ambiguous.

""We offered an insurance policy against me so that should I have got a long-term injury, it would have then meant that the loss of that contract was negated to a degree. That was rejected.

"We tried to find a way around the issues... there was an owner of the football club who stopped it from happening.

"So I had to make a decision that was best for me because the club had already made a decision that was best for them.

"At the end of the day, I'm still Judas because I made a decision for me.""

nail on head

Danny Cowley and Colchester must be really hard up to be hiring his sort
we're not going to see him playing against us anytime soon 
4 years since we've seen him at all definitely time to move on

Athletico Charlton said:

Ollywozere said:

To interject on the Solly stuff as the narrative has gone too far down a certain path on that one not to be corrected - he did offer to be available for the remainder of his contract, but was told no thanks. 
Therein lies the difference. 

Assuming that is true why did Solly stay silent when Bowyer publicly said he had refused to play alongside Taylor and Davies?  Even if he thought the timing was wrong with us fighting relegation surely he should have said it at the end of the season when he was leaving.  No way would I allow someone to chuck me under the bus that way and not correct it.