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What has Terry Taylor done to be so in the wilderness?
Swisdom
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I feel really sorry for TT at the moment. He has just not had a chance since joining us. He recovered from his injury but hasn't had a sniff of first team action
He played against Cambridge and was probably the best player on the pitch but since then he's disappeared again. His dead ball delivery is extremely dangerous and he's more offensive than Coventry, Docherty Anderson.
So what on earth has he done to annoy successive managers to the point they won't give him a sniff of first team action? As cliched as it is - he would be like a new signing
He played against Cambridge and was probably the best player on the pitch but since then he's disappeared again. His dead ball delivery is extremely dangerous and he's more offensive than Coventry, Docherty Anderson.
So what on earth has he done to annoy successive managers to the point they won't give him a sniff of first team action? As cliched as it is - he would be like a new signing
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Jones doesn't think he can play with Coventry, and Coventry has been our only competent midfielder this season. I'd like to think that's the full story. Anyway, we can't do any worse in midfield than we're doing so honestly bring on the Taylor/Coventry midfield duo2
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I'd like to think you're right about that, but fear this may be a "hold my beer" momentLeuth said:Jones doesn't think he can play with Coventry, and Coventry has been our only competent midfielder this season. I'd like to think that's the full story. Anyway, we can't do any worse in midfield than we're doing so honestly bring on the Taylor/Coventry midfield duo
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Never played for Luton?29
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Said it on the match thread yesterday. It's one of two things for me.
- He has been caught playing Black Sabbath Records backwards
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- He is shagging Jones' missus.2 -
Why is he not even on the bench?
There must be something going on behind the scenes imo give him a chance and if it doesn't work out then discard him
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NJ isn't the first manager to leave him out. It can't be just a Jones problem.1
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Despite absolutely no actual evidence to the contrary, I have a heavy suspicion that this due to him falling out with NJ, not putting enough into training or a combination of the two. I do not believe that this is purely a footballing decision and, whilst things may have been mended to the extent that he was given that game vs. Cambridge, I suspect that NJ doesn't have the trust in him for one of the aforementioned reasons. I think the only reason he got that game was purely to save some legs of others.
He was fit at the back end of last season and didn't get a look in - even when we were mathematically safe. Didn't make the bench or anything. For a player like that to return to fitness, be contracted to the club and with the games at L1 he has played elsewhere to not get picked says to me that there is another reason. Just screams of an incident/outburst that led to where we are now. I believe we absolutely would have sold him if we had any interest in the summer.
Even if you assess him from a footballing perspective as a mirror of Coventry, his ability from set pieces at the very least should, in theory, warrant a place on the bench - particularly when we bring Chuks on for the last 30. My assessment of ACampbell is that he is a Coventry mirror but with obvs infinitely less ability on the ball, but he brings much less to the party than Taylor imo AND has been picked in more forward positions to try and kickstart our midfield. Anderson, despite his lack of experience, is also similarly given all the exposure to both the first team and bench in comparison.
Call it tinfoil hat craziness if you wish, but I really think this is the case.4 -
Well NJ certainly needs to change something.0
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I wondered if it was a financial thing, or we had to pay his former club, on appearances made?0
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He seemed a decent lad in the preseason videos, was really involved with all the other players, and featured pretty regularly in the PSFs. Got given a pretty low squad number, and has been completely ignored since the first week. We allegedly tried to ship him out but couldn't, and now he's seemingly frozen out. Absolutely bizarre! Maybe he's on a high wage, or a lower wage but a high appearance fee and we are unwilling to pay it? Maybe he's not training well (Louis Watson appeared to suffer the same fate for being a bit of a moaner in training and not putting in as much effort as others)3
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Or both of those thingsClem_Snide said:Said it on the match thread yesterday. It's one of two things for me.
- He has been caught playing Black Sabbath Records backwards
Or
- He is shagging Jones' missus.0 -
I reckon it is the Coventry thing as above but an alternate version could theoretically be...
We tried to sell both him and Edun in the summer, this would have opened up some funding for Jones to bring another one or two in. Both of them refused to go. Jones is now freezing them out hoping they change their mind in January.3 -
I think this combined with @Leuth's Coventry observation.Athletico Charlton said:I reckon it is the Coventry thing as above but an alternate version could theoretically be...
We tried to sell both him and Edun in the summer, this would have opened up some funding for Jones to bring another one or two in. Both of them refused to go. Jones is now freezing them out hoping they change their mind in January.
The thing is, both Coventry and TT are ball playing midfielders which we desperately need to start doing. I think it's more Jones wants to play hoofball and that just isn't TT's game. I'd argue it's not Coventry's game either, but Coventry has covered a lot of ground and looks after the ball well.
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He is though. He was coming back from injury under Holden. Apples played him when he first came in, then TT got hurt and was basically out for the rest of Apples' reign. I think Taylor was still playing in the U21s for fitness when Apples was sacked. I think it's just that the timing of his injuries is weird that him being out overlapped with two managers.Chunes said:NJ isn't the first manager to leave him out. It can't be just a Jones problem.2 -
Well Birmingham haven't bought him for peanuts off a rival, then spent gazillions on his replacement and dropped him, so that's 17 managers that don't fancy him, so he clearly isn't good enough for a promotion push1
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If Coventry and Taylor are peas in a pod (I am not sure about that) and can’t be played at the same time, then playing Taylor gets you a better dead ball taker.
If Taylor returns I very much doubt he can now hit the ground running as his treatment generally, and his current state of match readiness is off. So coming back with an indifferent performance will creat fan antagonism towards him.
However there remains the question as to whether he could be worse than Berry or Docherty, or even Coventry.
He should at the very least be picked for the U21’s each game as the overage player, and with Mwamba’s straight red on Tuesday the opportunity is there.
I don’t believe Taylor is a dud like Bakinson or the ageing Lua Lua or Fraser or Kirk, and he is our player who ought to be utilised somehow.
Maybe there is some kind of dark matter preventing him playing, something we don’t know about.12 -
Being cool and calm on the ball and being able to tackle doesn’t make him a headless chicken like Anderson who runs all day but produces absolutely nothing3
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He's keeping Thierry Small company on the naughty step.Swisdom said:I feel really sorry for TT at the moment. He has just not had a chance since joining us. He recovered from his injury but hasn't had a sniff of first team action
He played against Cambridge and was probably the best player on the pitch but since then he's disappeared again. His dead ball delivery is extremely dangerous and he's more offensive than Coventry, Docherty Anderson.
So what on earth has he done to annoy successive managers to the point they won't give him a sniff of first team action? As cliched as it is - he would be like a new signing0 -
I thought Jones wanted a high press ?Clem_Snide said:Said it on the match thread yesterday. It's one of two things for me.
- He has been caught playing Black Sabbath Records backwards
Or
- He is shagging Jones' missus.0 -
He should probably stay in the wilderness because his reputation seems to grow the longer he’s out there!3
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Maybe he’s too good for us😇1
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Agreed. I do have a concern that because he’s not been used at all then it’s maybe elevating the perception of him as some sort of potential solution to our troubles when there isn’t anything we’ve seen that really justifies that.se9addick said:He should probably stay in the wilderness because his reputation seems to grow the longer he’s out there!
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Good that he's not excluded completely, though you wonder how much of that is just because we're running out of other changes to make. Either way if Taylor comes in I hope he makes a difference, we need a bit of positivity injectedshirty5 said:
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“A week ago, I was being questioned if I was going to a Championship football club and now every single decision I make is being scrutinised. That’s football I suppose.”
An unlikeable prat at times isn't he.4 -
This screams of chucking him straight into our hardest game of the season, Taylor not doing well and then not being seen again4
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It 100% is. When the teams playing badly the best players in the squad are the ones not playing.cafctom said:
Agreed. I do have a concern that because he’s not been used at all then it’s maybe elevating the perception of him as some sort of potential solution to our troubles when there isn’t anything we’ve seen that really justifies that.se9addick said:He should probably stay in the wilderness because his reputation seems to grow the longer he’s out there!2 -
Peter Varney has tweeted the he believes TT could feature in the playoffs.
If so it was a masterstroke to allow him to go to Northampton and be match ready.4 -
Could be like a ‘new signing’.Richard J said:Peter Varney has tweeted the he believes TT could feature in the playoffs.
If so it was a masterstroke to allow him to go to Northampton and be match ready.5
