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  • It is different. 

    It’s illegal for starters and users casually ignore the route by which the product came to them - prostitution , modern day slavery, organised crime, knife and drug crime etc.

    That is an inconvenient truth for users who defend it as recreational and harmless.  
    It’s not inconvenient, it’s just most people don’t really give a shit.
  • edited November 2024
    Nice attitude for them to have in life if those things are unimportant  :/
    So you think Dave and his mates down the pub who have a blast once in a blue moon when they get away from the their missus and the kids, give a shit about how their gear got from plant to packet?
  • Classic 'whataboutery'.
    This is what the Cambridge Dictionary says about it.

    whataboutery
    noun [ U ]
       disapproving
    uk/ˌwɒt.əˈbaʊ.tər.i/ us/ˌwɑː.t̬əˈbaʊ.t̬ɚ.i/
    the practice of answering a criticism or difficult question by making a similar criticism or asking a different but related questiontypically starting with the words "What about?":
    He's the kind of person who responds to an attempt to protect women from domestic violence with whataboutery: "What about male victims of domestic violence?"
    Whataboutery destroys effective communication and rational discussion, and is just an emotional response to a comment.
     Fewer examples
     SMART Vocabulary: related words and phrases
    (Definition of whataboutery from the Cambridge Advanced Learner's Dictionary & Thesaurus © Cambridge University Press)
  • edited November 2024
    So you think Dave and his mates down the pub who have a blast once in a blue moon when they get away from the their missus and the kids, give a shit about how their gear got from plant to packet?
    Perhaps they should, the world would be a better place.

    https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/article/2024/jun/11/how-big-is-europes-cocaine-problem-and-what-is-the-human-cost
  • So you think Dave and his mates down the pub who have a blast once in a blue moon when they get away from the their missus and the kids, give a shit about how their gear got from plant to packet?
    Sums them up if you ignore those things (and you have kids particularly).

    You haven't acquired the drugs without some subterfuge/ discrete activity so cant claim innocence.
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  • MrOneLung said:
    yeah but what could have been said was, 'he partook in an illegal activity, got caught and quite rightly is likely to be punished by his employer' rather than going down the route of preaching to everybody the effects the use of this particular drug may have.
    Perhaps the truth about an illegal drug that others have sought to minimise is too difficult to comprehend.
  • Perhaps they should, the world would be a better place.

    https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/article/2024/jun/11/how-big-is-europes-cocaine-problem-and-what-is-the-human-cost
    The world would be a better place if alcohol , gambling and smoking were banned aswell.
  • clb74 said:
    The world would be a better place if alcohol , gambling and smoking were banned aswell.

  • se9addick said:
    You’ll do anything to increase your like & lol count!
    rumbled...
  • edited November 2024

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  • And I like a drink and a bet every day 
  • I've led a sheltered life. Never taken drugs, never even been offered drugs.


  • Perhaps the truth about an illegal drug that others have sought to minimise is too difficult to comprehend.
    But why do you have to preach to everyone - do you not think, that every single person on here knows the effects that cocaine and its usage can have ?
  • I'm going to guess that a significant number of the members of this forum have taken a class A drug. 

    Let's put it to the test.

    If you have ever taken an illegal class A drug, like this post.
    If you have never taken an illegal class A drug, give it a LOL.
    All those who have seen us in a live game this season give it like.

    Those who have watched only a stream or not seen us at all give it a LOL
  • edited November 2024
    It is different. 

    It’s illegal for starters and users casually ignore the route by which the product came to them - prostitution , modern day slavery, organised crime, knife and drug crime etc.

    That is an inconvenient truth for users who defend it as recreational and harmless.  
    You could make this argument for plenty of legal products and services too! If everyone worried about where their products and services came from and whether there were elements of crime along the way from formation to consumer then people would have to boycott a hell of a lot.
  • MrOneLung said:
    But why do you have to preach to everyone - do you not think, that every single person on here knows the effects that cocaine and its usage can have ?
    I doubt they do, a read of the link I posted about the toll and misery that the cocaine trade creates is appalling. 
  • Sums them up if you ignore those things (and you have kids particularly).

    You haven't acquired the drugs without some subterfuge/ discrete activity so cant claim innocence.
    I assume you don't eat avocado.
  • I doubt they do, a read of the link I posted about the toll and misery that the cocaine trade creates is appalling. 

    Alright, fine, I’ll give you 3 for a 100ner but it’s the best I can do.


  • JaShea99 said:
    You could make this argument for plenty of legal products and services too! If everyone worried about where their products and services came from and whether there were elements of crime along the way from formation to consumer then people would have to boycott a hell of a lot.
    But that isn’t the point. 

    I was responding to the comment ‘No different to booze, gambling or excessive eating.’

    I’ve  highlighted a legitimate  undeniable difference. 

    It is frankly silly to try and justify drug use with a comparison to regular commercial activities. Of course there are bad / less desirable aspects of some legal consumerism but to try and compare is to ignore the point and reinforces my original observation that users ignore how the product gets to them when the whole production cycle is illegal. 

    Two  wrongs do not make a right. 
  • No that wasn’t your point, but I made a different one, which is literally exactly how we got here in the first place, given the trajectory of the thread. Where did I try to justify drug use or claim that two wrongs make a right?! I’d love to know.
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