Interesting how its only left wing politicians that are lauded for following their principles and using their background and experience to advance their cause.
I've always enjoyed listening to JRM, one of the better parliamentary performers of recent years.
i gleefully accept this opportunity to fire your "nonsense on stilts" from the other day jibe back at you.
JRM is a very nasty piece of work, a vindictive bully whose real persona is cloaked in a veneer of politeness which fools a lot of the media, including doubtless the shower who produced this. His personal vendetta against Mark Carney should have been a warning signal to sensible conservatives such as you appear to be, but it looks like you fell for his unique charm too. You appear to have forgotten that this toxic matchstick was top of the list of "bastards" that made John Major's task impossible at the time, and sowed the seeds for where the UK is today.
Now I await the self-appointed Thread-Closer-In-Chief, @eastterrace6168 demand to close down a "political thread" under the new regime guidelines, which i reluctantly accept to be necessary. At least this time I had the chance to weigh in before it goes.
I bid you all good day. 😉
Carney politicised the independent BoE. For that reason, it was correct for an elected politician to call him out.
Anyone that Major called bastard is a hero of mine.
By “politicised”, I take it you mean “failed to agree with Rees-Mogg’s weird and toxic economic viewpoints”. Thankfully
Didn’t realise you were so hard and Brexity right-wing. Consider the word “sensible” deleted from my description above😉
Regardless of policies and political alliances I do tend to think he has a great skill in not rising to the bait / getting angry when being interviewed and challenged. This despite him knowing his behaviours / mannerisms give rise to the attacks / ridicule and comments.
He manages to maintain some level of authority therefore.
Self confidence coming from the back up of wealth I imagine.
A lifetime of very British privilege, rather than just wealth, and the knowledge that at least 40% of the British population still bows in deference to people like him.
Interesting how its only left wing politicians that are lauded for following their principles and using their background and experience to advance their cause.
I've always enjoyed listening to JRM, one of the better parliamentary performers of recent years.
What are your favourite policy positions of his? I have only one that I can think of, and that is his opposition to stripping Shamim Begum of her citizenship, because "she is our problem" (so to speak). I am keen to understand what yours might be, and how you think his background - probably not a common one among the general populace - should inform causes accordingly.
Funny that because I completely disagree with his position on Begum.
For sure, and you've every right to. I just wanted @SporadicAddick to let me know which positions in particular of Jacob Rees-Mogg's they agree with in particular. I was offering my own example - which though I appreciate reads like bait because of the likelihood of disagreement among me/Sporadic/you/whoever else - because it is a genuine example of me being in complete agreement with someone I otherwise am completely at odds with ideologically.
I wanted to know what in particular they admire about JRM's stances, and how they feel JRM's background informs his action for the betterment of the country. I hope they can respond accordingly.
Interesting how its only left wing politicians that are lauded for following their principles and using their background and experience to advance their cause.
I've always enjoyed listening to JRM, one of the better parliamentary performers of recent years.
I don't have an issue with Rees-Mogg being posh and born into wealth. He didn't choose to be born and he didn't control his background and upbringing. I do however have a big problem with his principles. I have a problem that his weird Catholic fundamentalism means that he's against abortion in all cases including incest and rape because he reckons the Pope says so (yet profits from the sale of abortion pills). I have a problem with him opposing same sex marriage for the same reasons. I dislike that he's always been against an elected Lords and the removal of hereditary peers, that he is against measures for reducing climate change which just might be linked to his investments in oil and coal mining, that he votes against smoking bans while having investments in tobacco companies, that he criticised those who perished in the Grenfell disaster for lacking 'common sense' and I dislike that despite him not choosing the circumstances of his upbringing he has leaned into it so far and is very much of the opinion that the haves should continue to have and ideally have more, and the have nots should know their place underfoot.
He has two main principles: Catholicism and money. To be fair, he told us that when he was 12 years old. He loves money and wants as much of it as possible and has used politics to try and guide public policy in a way that will maximise his profits. I don't like that. He can be as weird and Victorian and posh as he wants, that's fine, but I find his principles pretty foul, that's why I don't laud him for them. You're right about the word 'performer' though, he's good at playing his character, in another life if he wasn't so skinny he'd make a great WWE wrestler.
Meet the Rees Moggs down a dark side street with a scythe.
But saying someone has a nice bum is more offensive than this. God help us
Yes. Saying someone "has a nice bum". I don't know why anyone would find that offensive. In person. In a studio where the person saying it has control. It's a bloody mystery.
Interesting how its only left wing politicians that are lauded for following their principles and using their background and experience to advance their cause.
I've always enjoyed listening to JRM, one of the better parliamentary performers of recent years.
What are your favourite policy positions of his? I have only one that I can think of, and that is his opposition to stripping Shamim Begum of her citizenship, because "she is our problem" (so to speak). I am keen to understand what yours might be, and how you think his background - probably not a common one among the general populace - should inform causes accordingly.
Funny that because I completely disagree with his position on Begum.
For sure, and you've every right to. I just wanted @SporadicAddick to let me know which positions in particular of Jacob Rees-Mogg's they agree with in particular. I was offering my own example - which though I appreciate reads like bait because of the likelihood of disagreement among me/Sporadic/you/whoever else - because it is a genuine example of me being in complete agreement with someone I otherwise am completely at odds with ideologically.
I wanted to know what in particular they admire about JRM's stances, and how they feel JRM's background informs his action for the betterment of the country. I hope they can respond accordingly.
I agree with his views on our relationship with the European Union and his wider economic philosophy.
I disagree with his staunch (dogmatic?) catholic views (as I would disagree with any other religious view, because religion is made up nonsense) but I admire his defence of it, as I admire anyone that has a conviction position rather than a flip flop approach to electoral success.
Interesting how its only left wing politicians that are lauded for following their principles and using their background and experience to advance their cause.
I've always enjoyed listening to JRM, one of the better parliamentary performers of recent years.
What are your favourite policy positions of his? I have only one that I can think of, and that is his opposition to stripping Shamim Begum of her citizenship, because "she is our problem" (so to speak). I am keen to understand what yours might be, and how you think his background - probably not a common one among the general populace - should inform causes accordingly.
Funny that because I completely disagree with his position on Begum.
For sure, and you've every right to. I just wanted @SporadicAddick to let me know which positions in particular of Jacob Rees-Mogg's they agree with in particular. I was offering my own example - which though I appreciate reads like bait because of the likelihood of disagreement among me/Sporadic/you/whoever else - because it is a genuine example of me being in complete agreement with someone I otherwise am completely at odds with ideologically.
I wanted to know what in particular they admire about JRM's stances, and how they feel JRM's background informs his action for the betterment of the country. I hope they can respond accordingly.
I agree with his views on our relationship with the European Union and his wider economic philosophy.
I disagree with his staunch (dogmatic?) catholic views (as I would disagree with any other religious view, because religion is made up nonsense) but I admire his defence of it, as I admire anyone that has a conviction position rather than a flip flop approach to electoral success.
As pointed out earlier however, his religious 'convictions' only go so far, ie where he can make money out of ignoring them.
Interesting how its only left wing politicians that are lauded for following their principles and using their background and experience to advance their cause.
I've always enjoyed listening to JRM, one of the better parliamentary performers of recent years.
i gleefully accept this opportunity to fire your "nonsense on stilts" from the other day jibe back at you.
JRM is a very nasty piece of work, a vindictive bully whose real persona is cloaked in a veneer of politeness which fools a lot of the media, including doubtless the shower who produced this. His personal vendetta against Mark Carney should have been a warning signal to sensible conservatives such as you appear to be, but it looks like you fell for his unique charm too. You appear to have forgotten that this toxic matchstick was top of the list of "bastards" that made John Major's task impossible at the time, and sowed the seeds for where the UK is today.
Now I await the self-appointed Thread-Closer-In-Chief, @eastterrace6168 demand to close down a "political thread" under the new regime guidelines, which i reluctantly accept to be necessary. At least this time I had the chance to weigh in before it goes.
I bid you all good day. 😉
Carney politicised the independent BoE. For that reason, it was correct for an elected politician to call him out.
Anyone that Major called bastard is a hero of mine.
By “politicised”, I take it you mean “failed to agree with Rees-Mogg’s weird and toxic economic viewpoints”. Thankfully
Didn’t realise you were so hard and Brexity right-wing. Consider the word “sensible” deleted from my description above😉
By "politicised", I mean that he intervened in a political process that was outside the remit of his independent role.
You are correct, I'm very much a Brexity right winger, but also sensible - I chose Charlton...
Interesting how its only left wing politicians that are lauded for following their principles and using their background and experience to advance their cause.
I've always enjoyed listening to JRM, one of the better parliamentary performers of recent years.
What are your favourite policy positions of his? I have only one that I can think of, and that is his opposition to stripping Shamim Begum of her citizenship, because "she is our problem" (so to speak). I am keen to understand what yours might be, and how you think his background - probably not a common one among the general populace - should inform causes accordingly.
Funny that because I completely disagree with his position on Begum.
For sure, and you've every right to. I just wanted @SporadicAddick to let me know which positions in particular of Jacob Rees-Mogg's they agree with in particular. I was offering my own example - which though I appreciate reads like bait because of the likelihood of disagreement among me/Sporadic/you/whoever else - because it is a genuine example of me being in complete agreement with someone I otherwise am completely at odds with ideologically.
I wanted to know what in particular they admire about JRM's stances, and how they feel JRM's background informs his action for the betterment of the country. I hope they can respond accordingly.
I agree with his views on our relationship with the European Union and his wider economic philosophy.
I disagree with his staunch (dogmatic?) catholic views (as I would disagree with any other religious view, because religion is made up nonsense) but I admire his defence of it, as I admire anyone that has a conviction position rather than a flip flop approach to electoral success.
Thanks for taking the time to respond. (Obviously we don't agree but that's a different can of worms, and one I have no interest in opening here. I just genuinely didn't really know what other people would appreciate about JRM, so it's good to have that insight.)
Interesting how its only left wing politicians that are lauded for following their principles and using their background and experience to advance their cause.
I've always enjoyed listening to JRM, one of the better parliamentary performers of recent years.
i gleefully accept this opportunity to fire your "nonsense on stilts" from the other day jibe back at you.
JRM is a very nasty piece of work, a vindictive bully whose real persona is cloaked in a veneer of politeness which fools a lot of the media, including doubtless the shower who produced this. His personal vendetta against Mark Carney should have been a warning signal to sensible conservatives such as you appear to be, but it looks like you fell for his unique charm too. You appear to have forgotten that this toxic matchstick was top of the list of "bastards" that made John Major's task impossible at the time, and sowed the seeds for where the UK is today.
Now I await the self-appointed Thread-Closer-In-Chief, @eastterrace6168 demand to close down a "political thread" under the new regime guidelines, which i reluctantly accept to be necessary. At least this time I had the chance to weigh in before it goes.
I bid you all good day. 😉
Carney politicised the independent BoE. For that reason, it was correct for an elected politician to call him out.
Anyone that Major called bastard is a hero of mine.
By “politicised”, I take it you mean “failed to agree with Rees-Mogg’s weird and toxic economic viewpoints”. Thankfully
Didn’t realise you were so hard and Brexity right-wing. Consider the word “sensible” deleted from my description above😉
By "politicised", I mean that he intervened in a political process that was outside the remit of his independent role.
You are correct, I'm very much a Brexity right winger, but also sensible - I chose Charlton...
Interesting how its only left wing politicians that are lauded for following their principles and using their background and experience to advance their cause.
I've always enjoyed listening to JRM, one of the better parliamentary performers of recent years.
I don't have an issue with Rees-Mogg being posh and born into wealth. He didn't choose to be born and he didn't control his background and upbringing. I do however have a big problem with his principles. I have a problem that his weird Catholic fundamentalism means that he's against abortion in all cases including incest and rape because he reckons the Pope says so (yet profits from the sale of abortion pills). I have a problem with him opposing same sex marriage for the same reasons. I dislike that he's always been against an elected Lords and the removal of hereditary peers, that he is against measures for reducing climate change which just might be linked to his investments in oil and coal mining, that he votes against smoking bans while having investments in tobacco companies, that he criticised those who perished in the Grenfell disaster for lacking 'common sense' and I dislike that despite him not choosing the circumstances of his upbringing he has leaned into it so far and is very much of the opinion that the haves should continue to have and ideally have more, and the have nots should know their place underfoot.
He has two main principles: Catholicism and money. To be fair, he told us that when he was 12 years old. He loves money and wants as much of it as possible and has used politics to try and guide public policy in a way that will maximise his profits. I don't like that. He can be as weird and Victorian and posh as he wants, that's fine, but I find his principles pretty foul, that's why I don't laud him for them. You're right about the word 'performer' though, he's good at playing his character, in another life if he wasn't so skinny he'd make a great WWE wrestler.
I take it you want be watching the show?
Haha probably not but then I don't watch any reality TV. I wouldn't watch any politician with their own TV show even if I did like their policies. I bet it's very entertaining though, he's created a character for himself with this weird Victorian ghost gimmick, so much so that people think he's an elderly gentleman from yesteryear instead of actually being younger than Kylie Minogue. I've no doubt it's good TV if that's your kind of TV
Interesting how its only left wing politicians that are lauded for following their principles and using their background and experience to advance their cause.
I've always enjoyed listening to JRM, one of the better parliamentary performers of recent years.
What are your favourite policy positions of his? I have only one that I can think of, and that is his opposition to stripping Shamim Begum of her citizenship, because "she is our problem" (so to speak). I am keen to understand what yours might be, and how you think his background - probably not a common one among the general populace - should inform causes accordingly.
Funny that because I completely disagree with his position on Begum.
For sure, and you've every right to. I just wanted @SporadicAddick to let me know which positions in particular of Jacob Rees-Mogg's they agree with in particular. I was offering my own example - which though I appreciate reads like bait because of the likelihood of disagreement among me/Sporadic/you/whoever else - because it is a genuine example of me being in complete agreement with someone I otherwise am completely at odds with ideologically.
I wanted to know what in particular they admire about JRM's stances, and how they feel JRM's background informs his action for the betterment of the country. I hope they can respond accordingly.
I agree with his views on our relationship with the European Union and his wider economic philosophy.
I disagree with his staunch (dogmatic?) catholic views (as I would disagree with any other religious view, because religion is made up nonsense) but I admire his defence of it, as I admire anyone that has a conviction position rather than a flip flop approach to electoral success.
I also respect how he doesn't change his views with the tide. He has an honesty and principal, unlike a lot of politicians who will say whatever the public opinion dictates. I don't like his views but at least you know what you're voting for.
Interesting how its only left wing politicians that are lauded for following their principles and using their background and experience to advance their cause.
I've always enjoyed listening to JRM, one of the better parliamentary performers of recent years.
What are your favourite policy positions of his? I have only one that I can think of, and that is his opposition to stripping Shamim Begum of her citizenship, because "she is our problem" (so to speak). I am keen to understand what yours might be, and how you think his background - probably not a common one among the general populace - should inform causes accordingly.
Funny that because I completely disagree with his position on Begum.
For sure, and you've every right to. I just wanted @SporadicAddick to let me know which positions in particular of Jacob Rees-Mogg's they agree with in particular. I was offering my own example - which though I appreciate reads like bait because of the likelihood of disagreement among me/Sporadic/you/whoever else - because it is a genuine example of me being in complete agreement with someone I otherwise am completely at odds with ideologically.
I wanted to know what in particular they admire about JRM's stances, and how they feel JRM's background informs his action for the betterment of the country. I hope they can respond accordingly.
I agree with his views on our relationship with the European Union and his wider economic philosophy.
I disagree with his staunch (dogmatic?) catholic views (as I would disagree with any other religious view, because religion is made up nonsense) but I admire his defence of it, as I admire anyone that has a conviction position rather than a flip flop approach to electoral success.
I also respect how he doesn't change his views with the tide. He has an honesty and principal, unlike a lot of politicians who will say whatever the public opinion dictates. I don't like his views but at least you know what you're voting for.
Very much not my kinda guy, but have far more respect for him than someone like nf who does exactly what you mention.
Interesting how its only left wing politicians that are lauded for following their principles and using their background and experience to advance their cause.
I've always enjoyed listening to JRM, one of the better parliamentary performers of recent years.
Because the working class struggle for almost everything they obtain. Going to Eton or being born into money isn't quite as good an achievement.
If you can't make success being born into money or starting the race half way down the track, then you're hopeless.
I believe the result of the vote for the whole of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland to leave the European Union made a shed load of money for Rees Mogg’s company Somerset Capital Management. The grifter declared leave was about the myth of ‘sovereignty’ for which the benefits would not be felt for fifty years, whilst the profits for Somerset Capital Management would be felt immediately. Capitalist bastard encouraging voters to destroy a good and decent arrangement, causing more problems in Ireland, for his own benefit. Rees Mogg like Boris Johnson has to pay for a lot of children, so doing a reality programme for money is his grifters way (like being on the television set) to pay for the upkeep of his family. So there you have it, a working class man simply trying to provide for his own in a harsh world (he helped to create).
Know little about RM businesses, and intrigued by comments and given no economists or analysts were predicting anything other than a fall in the UK GDP post Brexit, through SCM must have a special place in the fund manager universe.
The only thing that improves profits for any fund manager is an increase in fees through fund growth, particularly a surge in global markets, not a shrinking UK market as was well predicted pre Brexit. Given his business has gone down the tube as his largest clients (led by St James' Place whom many Lifers swear by) left him after poor returns, and is now in liquidation, not sure where his immediate profits came from.
To see for myself what his funds invested in I just checked them out. Virtually 100% invested in Emerging Markets, mostly hardware, technology, banks and construction. Around 4% in non-renewable energy - markets that would be unmoved by Brexit.
As a Brexit leader, plenty of reasons not to like him, his beliefs and convictions are there for all to see, conspiracy theories are not required.
Interesting how its only left wing politicians that are lauded for following their principles and using their background and experience to advance their cause.
I've always enjoyed listening to JRM, one of the better parliamentary performers of recent years.
Because the working class struggle for almost everything they obtain. Going to Eton or being born into money isn't quite as good an achievement.
If you can't make success being born into money or starting the race half way down the track, then you're hopeless.
Interesting how its only left wing politicians that are lauded for following their principles and using their background and experience to advance their cause.
I've always enjoyed listening to JRM, one of the better parliamentary performers of recent years.
Because the working class struggle for almost everything they obtain. Going to Eton or being born into money isn't quite as good an achievement.
If you can't make success being born into money or starting the race half way down the track, then you're hopeless.
Regardless of policies and political alliances I do tend to think he has a great skill in not rising to the bait / getting angry when being interviewed and challenged. This despite him knowing his behaviours / mannerisms give rise to the attacks / ridicule and comments.
He manages to maintain some level of authority therefore.
Self confidence coming from the back up of wealth I imagine.
A lifetime of very British privilege, rather than just wealth, and the knowledge that at least 40% of the British population still bows in deference to people like him.
Had a boss at an employer of mine with the designation ‘Honourable’, he’s now a Lord having inherited a baronetcy.
He was actually a very decent bloke in the main but the privilege just oozed from him, and so many in our company almost bowed down to him. Such background and wealth gives immense confidence to a person.
As for Rees Mogg, I cannot stand the man. Had some interaction with him a couple of years ago in a project I was working on … unbelievable arrogance and entitlement from his side.
So I’ve seen two different sides of privileged individuals, and Rees Mogg was not the pleasant one.
What is the hard on people get for people that go to Eton? It's like it's used as a stick to beat people with?!
All very weird.
It’s actually not weird. Look at the list of PM’s and Ministers that have been educated at that school and you have to question why that is. That’s the only weird thing involved here. I believe 20 out of our 55 Prime Ministers have been educated at Eton College. Disproportionate in the extreme.
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I wanted to know what in particular they admire about JRM's stances, and how they feel JRM's background informs his action for the betterment of the country. I hope they can respond accordingly.
I disagree with his staunch (dogmatic?) catholic views (as I would disagree with any other religious view, because religion is made up nonsense) but I admire his defence of it, as I admire anyone that has a conviction position rather than a flip flop approach to electoral success.
You are correct, I'm very much a Brexity right winger, but also sensible - I chose Charlton...
The only thing that improves profits for any fund manager is an increase in fees through fund growth, particularly a surge in global markets, not a shrinking UK market as was well predicted pre Brexit. Given his business has gone down the tube as his largest clients (led by St James' Place whom many Lifers swear by) left him after poor returns, and is now in liquidation, not sure where his immediate profits came from.
To see for myself what his funds invested in I just checked them out. Virtually 100% invested in Emerging Markets, mostly hardware, technology, banks and construction. Around 4% in non-renewable energy - markets that would be unmoved by Brexit.
As a Brexit leader, plenty of reasons not to like him, his beliefs and convictions are there for all to see, conspiracy theories are not required.
Having now done so, I'm pleased to say that I like him even more.
No thanks