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  • I don't bother anymore. Same old drivel.
  • Where are the stats that you refer to so we can make our own judgement on this ?


    https://football-match-reports.streamlit.app/ Is not the easiest to use but is where I got the pressing data from. The FotMob app is good for the simpler stats and xG data



    PPDA is passes per defensive action. So the opposition will on average pass the ball 9.96 times before we either tackle or intercept it. 

    Not sure on the exact definition of High recoveries, but would assume it is the average number of times per game we win the ball back in their third of the pitch 

    And then xG against is a bit more mainstream now but based on the number and quality of chances we concede, we’ve got the 3rd best defence in the league 


  • Croydon said:
    Zero evidence to suggest TC could score a decent number of goals imo
    Absolutely, I would say there is a huge amount of evidence that TC will not score a lot of goals based on what we have seen so far.
  • Absolutely, I would say there is a huge amount of evidence that TC will not score a lot of goals based on what we have seen so far.
    TC is the exact type of player we need, but better. He is unfortunately not good enough. 
  • after the Orient fiasco he looked and sounded like a man on the edge of a rapidly crumbling cliff with nowhere to run to
  • J BLOCK said:
    TC is the exact type of player we need, but better. He is unfortunately not good enough. 
    I'm not sure, I'm holding out hope that maybe under a different manager with a different style he might flourish a bit. Jones current methodology and tactics seem to have completely drained any enthusiasm and confidence he has.

    He's never going to be on the Rak-Sakyi level but I think he could be a lot better than current evidence shows.
  • thenewbie said:
    I'm not sure, I'm holding out hope that maybe under a different manager with a different style he might flourish a bit. Jones current methodology and tactics seem to have completely drained any enthusiasm and confidence he has.

    He's never going to be on the Rak-Sakyi level but I think he could be a lot better than current evidence shows.
    And sadly, TC's not the only one ....
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  • agim said:
    A very good post. 

    I just can't understand the lack of imagination we have going forward. The key word you use is balance something which we haven't got. NJ committed wholeheartedly to the 3-5-2 formation which left us staggeringly short of natural wingers and he banked massively on the quantity over quality approach with our centre forwards which just hasn't worked. 

    His stubbornness will get him sacked. We don't shoot, we don't cross it's so disappointing 
    3-5-2, 4-4-2 box or diamond with a lot of long balls feels so flawed to me - how can the FB/WBs get up the pitch and into crossing positions when we go so direct? It means we have to win the ball, hold it up and keep possession while they get into those areas. Even when we do the first two we’re terrible at keeping the ball and lose it too easily with poor touches, poor decisions and a lack of movement.
  • NabySarr said:
    https://football-match-reports.streamlit.app/ Is not the easiest to use but is where I got the pressing data from. The FotMob app is good for the simpler stats and xG data



    PPDA is passes per defensive action. So the opposition will on average pass the ball 9.96 times before we either tackle or intercept it. 

    Not sure on the exact definition of High recoveries, but would assume it is the average number of times per game we win the ball back in their third of the pitch 

    And then xG against is a bit more mainstream now but based on the number and quality of chances we concede, we’ve got the 3rd best defence in the league 


    Cheers for posting this, as more stats are being recorded, I have become more interested. 

    I would like to see how our offensive stats compare to those teams that are better than us defensively or around the same level. As it does feel we have completely surrendered any creativity for the sake of a team who just defends looking at those stats and our general playstyle.
  • Scoham said:
    3-5-2, 4-4-2 box or diamond with a lot of long balls feels so flawed to me - how can the FB/WBs get up the pitch and into crossing positions when we go so direct? It means we have to win the ball, hold it up and keep possession while they get into those areas. Even when we do the first two we’re terrible at keeping the ball and lose it too easily with poor touches, poor decisions and a lack of movement.
    When our wing backs have got into those positions the quality of delivery also hasn't been great for most of the time
  • Cheers for posting this, as more stats are being recorded, I have become more interested. 

    I would like to see how our offensive stats compare to those teams that are better than us defensively or around the same level. As it does feel we have completely surrendered any creativity for the sake of a team who just defends looking at those stats and our general playstyle.


    Predictably we come out terribly when looking at creating chances from open play. 

    I think Jones obviously saw last season where our defence was an absolute disaster, and has possibly over-compensated in preparation for this season. I think sorting the defence out was definitely the first priority so he was right to address that first, but it has come at the cost of our ability with the ball so we maybe over-did it. 

    His hope was probably that over time we’d get better on the ball or that there was enough quality in our attack to score enough goals, but that hasn’t happened 
  • Reading the transcript of a NJ press conference is like having a very loose but ultimately life saving clearout with a double flusher encore!
  • He's actually full of shit. 

    Says we are the best pressing team, there is no evidence of this. The table doesn't say so, the stats don't say so, our goals conceded don't say so. It's pretty much just a lie.

    He also said at the end we aren't as bad as last season. Well, I've got some news Jones mate, we are. Actually, we are worse off.



    Even if he meant from when he took over, that would be incomparable due to the games played, and if anything, makes his argument worse as he had preparation time to improve on this. 

    We are worse off in literally every aspect of the table. 

    In 23/24 by this stage we had scored 30 and conceded 25, and had a 5 goal difference. 

    This season we have scored 18 and conceded 19 and have a -1 G/D. 12 less goals scored, huge amount, and 6 goals less conceded.

    Absolute waffler. 
    You spelt Wanker wrong!! :)
  • I'm just delighted that I support a football team that's right up there, at the top of the stats.

    It's only when that round thing, called a football, is added to the equation, that it all turns to sh*t.
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  • edited December 2024
    Football style is unimportant in many ways. Results are what we all want. Where style of play becomes more of a factor is when you are not getting the results. I would say it is pretty obvious this season that we are tighter defensively but still prone to poor lapses so we are never safe. In midfield we compete but are weak at creating and indeed scoring. Up front, we don't seem to give defenders a torrid time of it.

    What I have seen in my many years of watching football is how easily things can turn, one way or the other. Look at Man City. A much higher level, but when you apply logic, they win titles because of their strength in depth. But they have been poor lately with a couple of injuries. It feels counter intuitive. It seems to me when watching us, we don't really seem to know the positions and runs our own players make. Other teams, even lowly ones can construct what I would call training ground moves whereas we are so messy and disjointed.

    I think a massive problem is chance creation and then taking those chances. If we were better at it, it would take pressure off us defensively and would transform us.  This isn't just the responsibility of the strikers as I feel there are not enough goal scorers in the side. I think if you do your homework on us, you know the threats you have to focus on and they are few enough to make that task easier. Change that and it has a knock on effect on everybody. But some players score goals and some don't. We have had too many of the latter category for quite a while now.

    You can overcome this by not letting them in and this is probably a short term way of us becoming more consistent. But when opponents blast them in from 30 yards, which has happened too many times this season, you are in trouble and if you can't do the same you lose or draw the game.
  • Absolutely, I would say there is a huge amount of evidence that TC will not score a lot of goals based on what we have seen so far.
    He has that in common with everyone else in the squad then , bar Godden 
  • Well at least he got asked some challenging questions for a change.

    But the most important questions still haven't been asked, "how do you propose to solve the lack of creativity in the team" or "which players do you regard as being providers for the forward line ".

    Or a question along those lines, so that we can all try to understand what his thinking is.

    It's not TC because he was earmarked as being a forward. It's not Berry because he rarely plays him. It's not TT because he didn't play him at all until recently. It's not Docherty, not Coventry. It's not wingbacks, or at least, not our wingbacks.
    So other than exploiting the odd defensive error, the odd handball in the area/penalty, where does he think the goals are going to magically come from?
  • Well at least he got asked some challenging questions for a change.

    But the most important questions still haven't been asked, "how do you propose to solve the lack of creativity in the team" or "which players do you regard as being providers for the forward line ".

    Or a question along those lines, so that we can all try to understand what his thinking is.

    It's not TC because he was earmarked as being a forward. It's not Berry because he rarely plays him. It's not TT because he didn't play him at all until recently. It's not Docherty, not Coventry. It's not wingbacks, or at least, not our wingbacks.
    So other than exploiting the odd defensive error, the odd handball in the area/penalty, where does he think the goals are going to magically come from?
    This is the frustrating bit because IN THEORY a lot of what he has done (tried to do) makes quite a lot of sense. A solid defence is a good start to build on (shame ours fell to bits as soon as L. Jones got knocked). High energy and a press in midfield is not inherently bad and works well IF you then create something at the end of it (shame we have as much natural creativity as ChatGPT).

    We started the season with 2 thirds of a good plan. But the final third never ever looked convincing and now the other two fell to bits too.
  • thenewbie said:
    This is the frustrating bit because IN THEORY a lot of what he has done (tried to do) makes quite a lot of sense. A solid defence is a good start to build on (shame ours fell to bits as soon as L. Jones got knocked). High energy and a press in midfield is not inherently bad and works well IF you then create something at the end of it (shame we have as much natural creativity as ChatGPT).

    We started the season with 2 thirds of a good plan. But the final third never ever looked convincing and now the other two fell to bits too.
    That was inevitable and most could see that we couldn't continue scraping 1 nils whilst creating next to nothing.
    We hung our hats on his assertion that we were a work in progress and the the football would improve, but as we know, it hasn't, and it couldn't, because we are lacking that critical link, the playmaker and creator that most teams in this division have, Humphrey's being a great example.

  • NabySarr said:
    https://football-match-reports.streamlit.app/ Is not the easiest to use but is where I got the pressing data from. The FotMob app is good for the simpler stats and xG data



    PPDA is passes per defensive action. So the opposition will on average pass the ball 9.96 times before we either tackle or intercept it. 

    Not sure on the exact definition of High recoveries, but would assume it is the average number of times per game we win the ball back in their third of the pitch 

    And then xG against is a bit more mainstream now but based on the number and quality of chances we concede, we’ve got the 3rd best defence in the league 


    Thanks for posting the stats. 

    Interesting and no surprise Birmingham look to be better

    Ultimately the table doesn’t lie though !
  • Football fans in general want managers out if you have 10 s*** results.
    Whilst by no means am I confident we'll be in the play-offs come the end of the season, supporters need to look at their posts after the Crawley defeat.
    Jones needs time.
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