England Cricket 2024
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killerandflash said:Smith's Tache and Mullet won't dispel the jokes about New Zealand being 20 years behind the rest of the world2
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killerandflash said:MarcusH26 said:I do wonder who could be next off the production line in terms of actual openers. A lot of the leading runs scorers in Div 1 last season were either overseas or players that have been and gone in terms of an international career.
There's not a lot of obvious names in county scene , not that scoring bulk runs at championship level seems to bother Key or Baz. Someone like Tom Haines has had an average last 12-18 months and probably isn't on the list anymore and the Lions squad in SA doesn't offer any real clues either.
Indeed you feel that they'd rather a Crawley type, averaging 30ish, rather than a slow accumulator, averaging 40.1 -
killerandflash said:Stokes called tails, but the coin fell on hids, and have put England in.0
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We’ve all seen the reverse sweep, how about the reverse hook?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/videos/cre77xz485lo1 -
Chizz said:AddicksAddict said:Chizz said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKN4vVm7Ffs
Actually, 25. Always thought it was 26.0 -
Addick Addict said:AddicksAddict said:Chizz said:
Nigeria are currently ranked 5/18 in the African Region of World rankings (behind Namibia, Uganda, Kenya and Tanzania) whereas the Ivory Coast were only granted Associate Membership in 2022 and have no ranking as yet. Ivory Coast's scores this year have been 26, 41, 31, 7 & 21 which rather says it all in terms of their ability.
Chizz choose to be somewhat pedantic in saying 26 is a better score than 7. But, then, that's really missing the point of you asking the question. Perhaps their comment was an attempt at being humourous or perhaps they even mistook who posed your question.1 -
AddicksAddict said:We’ve all seen the reverse sweep, how about the reverse hook?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/videos/cre77xz485lo0 -
https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/ecb-rules-out-ipl-takeover-of-the-hundred-1464580
This is interesting, I expected it to be a clean sweep of IPL team owners. Not that private investment is going to make me in any interested in The Hundred.0 -
I can't recall the last time England left it until the day of the Test to announce the side. To some extent this is a "dead rubber" so they might elect to change things for that reason or are the injuries sustained by Stokes and/or Brook likely to keep them out?
For New Zealand, Conway has left for the birth of his child and will be replaced by Young.0 -
Addick Addict said:I can't recall the last time England left it until the day of the Test to announce the side. To some extent this is a "dead rubber" so they might elect to change things for that reason or are the injuries sustained by Stokes and/or Brook likely to keep them out?
For New Zealand, Conway has left for the birth of his child and will be replaced by Young.
It's still a day and a half to go, so England could announce their team Friday morning NZ time, a day ahead of the start of the match. With the pace of both matches, resting bowlers won't be necessary, though the issues with Stokes do complicate things. If he can't bowl, then England might have to drop a batsman and pick an extra bowler if they want 5 bowlers, but who? Or drop Bashir, and use Root and Bethell as the spin options.
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killerandflash said:Addick Addict said:I can't recall the last time England left it until the day of the Test to announce the side. To some extent this is a "dead rubber" so they might elect to change things for that reason or are the injuries sustained by Stokes and/or Brook likely to keep them out?
For New Zealand, Conway has left for the birth of his child and will be replaced by Young.
It's still a day and a half to go, so England could announce their team Friday morning NZ time, a day ahead of the start of the match. With the pace of both matches, resting bowlers won't be necessary, though the issues with Stokes do complicate things. If he can't bowl, then England might have to drop a batsman and pick an extra bowler if they want 5 bowlers, but who? Or drop Bashir, and use Root and Bethell as the spin options.1 -
Other than the curious 4-69 in the first innings of the 1st test, Bashir has had little impact and been expensive in conditions that haven't suited him. 0-65 at 5.41 in the 2nd innings and 2-110 at 5.78 an over in the 2nd innings of the 2nd Test.
Given the choice of dropping a batsman or only playing 3 seamers, he does look expendable. And with the way Bethell has been way better than his 1st class batting stats would predict, who knows how well he might bowl!0 -
I do wonder if Bashir is earmarked as the main spinner for next summer , how many overs is he going to manage to bowl before the Zimbabwe test? Feels like he's going to be completely under prepared if he's not in Somersets plans.0
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I think they want him to get experience of bowling down under, even if it’s not the same country. I heard someone suggest part of the problem with Bashir is he bowls a bad ball, over corrects and then bowls the right ball which made a lot of sense to me. It often leads to a couple of really bad balls in a row which looks awful but how does he fix that without playing more? He won’t play much in county cricket because spinning wickets don’t really exist here anymore (for reason we’ve covered many times) so really the only option is to play him in tests
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Potts for Woakes the only change. Wouldn’t bet against this being our bowling line up for at least one Ashes test next winter0
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England's 17th test match in 2024 !
Rotation of our seam/pace bowlers will be paramount in 2025 or else the new guys in Atkinson, Carse and Potts will emulate the injury prone Wood, Archer and Stone.
After the legends retired, Anderson and Broad, plus Ollie Robinson (non legend !) had difficulty with general fitness and attitude, then this could've been a period where we were bereft of new talent in fast bowling.
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fenaddick said:Potts for Woakes the only change. Wouldn’t bet against this being our bowling line up for at least one Ashes test next winter
For the rest of the side there are still question marks about Bashir who will have to have a decent summer to retain his place and Crawley can't carry on the way he has been in his last three series and still be selected. Moreover, will Pope get his chance back at 3 and be a success there or will Bethell permanently usurp him? As both Steve James (The Times) and Ben Gardner (Wisden) have indicated in the last week, this regime tends to pick the best seven batters and then sort the order out. Crawley isn't in that seven currently and when Smith returns he might find that Bethell has been elevated to open. Of course, all that changes if Crawley scores a double ton in this match.
I feel really sorry for Robinson as he might never get another chance. Hopefully, he will go as number two keeper to Australia but this regime might stick to one (and Pope) and equally Cox (who would have been playing instead of Bethell) might still be ahead of him despite his poor show against pace in white ball. Then there is the likes of Rew floating in the background. Another friend of mine, Gavin Hamilton, got to play once for England and bagged a pair with Allan Donald getting him out both times in South Africa. But at least Gavin got to wear the shirt in anger. Ollie's friends and family flew out there in the hope that he would be playing and if it weren't for Bethell immediately showing what a precocious talent he is in that First Test, Ollie would have got his chance. Such is the fickle fate of international cricket. One man's gain and all that but, hopefully, Ollie will have thoroughly enjoyed the experience of being part of the England set up anyway and his relatives the trip too.
The likes of Stone, Rehan and Leach have all sat around for the duration. Whatever people think, for some, that isn't good for the soul or mind albeit this was a short tour. One can understand why those not centrally contracted, such as Dawson, would rather be playing for more money and elevating their position in world white ball cricket than watching from the stands. They can watch at their leisure, after all, when they retire. Which is probably why we have a nigh on "catch all" of almost 30 centrally contracted now including Bairstow who might consider himself fortunate should be end up being paid for 16 months for doing nothing and not even have to tour either as a non playing member of the squad. Money for old rope as they say.
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England XI for First Ashes Test
- Zak Crawley (RHB)
- Ben Duckett (LHB)
- Josh Bethell (LHB)
- Joe Root (RHB)
- Harry Brook (RHB)
- Ben Stokes (LHB, Captain)
- Jamie Smith (RHB, Wicketkeeper)
- Chris Woakes (RHB, Seam Bowler)
- Mark Wood (RHB, Fast Bowler)
- Gus Atkinson (RHB, Fast-Medium Bowler)
- Bashir (RHB, Off-Spin Bowler)
Reasoning Behind Each Selection
Openers: Zak Crawley and Ben Duckett
- Zak Crawley: His attacking game remains ideal for combating Australia’s pace-heavy attack and making the most of fast, bouncy pitches.
- Ben Duckett: A left-hander who complements Crawley well, Duckett’s low-risk, compact style against the new ball is a valuable counter to Australia’s bowlers.
No. 3: Josh Bethell
Bethell, a talented left-hander, brings fresh energy to the squad. His adaptability and skill against pace make him a promising option at No. 3. The left-hand-right-hand combination with Duckett ensures a steady challenge for Australia’s attack.
No. 4: Joe Root
Root continues to anchor the lineup at No. 4, bringing unmatched experience and class. His ability to maneuver the ball in all conditions is crucial in blunting Nathan Lyon or Australia’s fast bowlers when they hit their stride.
No. 5: Harry Brook
Brook remains a key batter at No. 5, where his ability to attack spin and accelerate the scoring is vital. His natural counter-attacking instincts provide momentum shifts when needed.
No. 6: Ben Stokes (C)
Stokes, the team’s leader, plays at No. 6 to adjust between attack and consolidation. His ability to marshal the lower order, combined with his leadership and flair, makes him indispensable.
No. 7: Jamie Smith (WK)
Smith is a natural wicketkeeper-batter who provides excellent balance. As a reliable gloveman and a skilled batter, he ensures strength at No. 7. Smith’s ability to play under pressure and rotate the strike adds depth to England’s batting lineup.
Bowlers: Woakes, Wood, Atkinson, Bashir
- Chris Woakes: His batting adds depth, while his ability to extract swing and maintain control with the ball is valuable on Australian pitches.
- Mark Wood: Wood’s pace remains a key weapon against Australia’s batters. His knack for taking wickets in bursts is critical for breaking partnerships.
- Gus Atkinson: Atkinson’s pace and accuracy bolster England’s bowling attack. His emerging skills as a fast-medium bowler offer a fresh challenge for Australia, particularly on bouncy surfaces.
- Bashir: As an off-spinner, Bashir provides variety to the attack. His ability to exploit bounce and bowl accurately makes him a useful weapon, especially to counter Australia’s left-handers.
Batting Order Explanation
- Top 3: Crawley and Duckett provide an aggressive yet controlled opening, followed by Bethell to stabilize or counter-attack.
- Middle Order: Root anchors at No. 4, Brook at No. 5 adds aggression, and Stokes at No. 6 provides flexibility.
- Lower Order: Smith at No. 7 anchors the tail, followed by Woakes and the pace-spin trio who can chip in with valuable runs.
Smith’s inclusion prioritises consistency behind the stumps, while his batting ability ensures the depth of England’s lineup. Though less explosive than Bairstow, Smith’s calmness and reliability make him a smart pick for this pivotal role.
(That's ChatGPT's selection. Interesting reasons for each selection. Pity ChatGPT doesn't know Jacob Bethel's first name).
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If England were looking to replace Crawley at the top of the order and wanted someone similarly aggressive in their approach, why is Phil Salt never mentioned?1
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Aggregated average for all Test openers in the past three years is 32-33. Zak’s average this year is ~29.0
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mid_life_crisis said:If England were looking to replace Crawley at the top of the order and wanted someone similarly aggressive in their approach, why is Phil Salt never mentioned?0
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Callumcafc said:Aggregated average for all Test openers in the past three years is 32-33. Zak’s average this year is ~29.
Overall figures Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s BA Stokes (ENG) 2024-2024 1 1 1 57 57* - 28 203.57 0 1 0 9 2 TM Head (AUS) 2023-2023 3 5 1 223 90 55.75 312 71.47 0 1 0 30 4 YBK Jaiswal (IND) 2023-2024 16 30 1 1592 214* 54.89 2343 67.94 4 8 3 182 38 UT Khawaja (AUS) 2022-2024 30 56 6 2360 195* 47.20 5254 44.91 5 12 4 261 9 Imam-ul-Haq (PAK) 2022-2023 13 24 2 1023 157 46.50 2258 45.30 3 5 1 104 9 BM Duckett (ENG) 2022-2024 26 50 3 2061 182 43.85 2361 87.29 4 11 3 261 11 I Kaia (ZIM) 2023-2023 2 4 0 172 67 43.00 287 59.93 0 1 0 23 0 PS Masvaure (ZIM) 2024-2024 1 2 0 86 74 43.00 184 46.73 0 1 0 10 0 T de Zorzi (SA) 2024-2024 6 11 0 451 177 41.00 760 59.34 1 1 1 44 6 FDM Karunaratne (SL) 2022-2024 24 43 2 1650 179 40.24 2882 57.25 3 11 0 193 3 CA Pujara (IND) 2022-2022 1 2 0 79 66 39.50 214 36.91 0 1 0 10 0 Abdullah Shafique (PAK) 2022-2024 20 39 3 1354 201 37.61 3060 44.24 5 3 6 133 16 J Gumbie (ZIM) 2024-2024 1 2 0 73 49 36.50 144 50.69 0 0 0 10 0 KC Brathwaite (WI) 2022-2024 22 43 3 1449 182 36.22 3483 41.60 3 7 3 153 5 P Nissanka (SL) 2022-2024 7 12 1 397 127* 36.09 545 72.84 1 2 0 50 3 JD Campbell (WI) 2022-2022 5 10 3 248 58* 35.42 451 54.98 0 1 0 31 2 KNM Fernando (SL) 2023-2024 9 16 1 513 205 34.20 906 56.62 1 2 1 62 3 RG Sharma (IND) 2022-2024 21 37 1 1223 131 33.97 1935 63.20 4 4 2 146 25 Shubman Gill (IND) 2022-2023 6 11 0 363 128 33.00 595 61.00 2 0 0 38 5 T Chanderpaul (WI) 2022-2024 10 19 2 560 207* 32.94 1433 39.07 1 1 1 52 5 DA Warner (AUS) 2021-2024 26 46 1 1475 200 32.77 2458 60.00 2 7 4 177 13 D Elgar (SA) 2021-2024 17 32 1 1000 185 32.25 1940 51.54 1 6 2 133 1 BOP Fernando (SL) 2022-2023 6 12 1 353 64 32.09 631 55.94 0 3 0 41 7 AK Markram (SA) 2021-2024 13 24 0 767 115 31.95 1203 63.75 2 3 0 112 4 Z Crawley (ENG) 2021-2024 37 69 2 2136 189 31.88 2992 71.39 3 12 6 304 1 1 -
mid_life_crisis said:If England were looking to replace Crawley at the top of the order and wanted someone similarly aggressive in their approach, why is Phil Salt never mentioned?0
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Salt would be the next option but I'd be surprised if he plays any red ball cricket for Lancashire next season with his franchise commitments.
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This might explain a small part of the thinking of Stokes and McCullum. There's certainly something to be said for the habit of winning.
Most Test wins as an opener this yearBM Duckett (ENG) 8
YBK Jaiswal (IND) 8Z Crawley (ENG) 7RG Sharma (IND) 7FDM Karunaratne (SL) 6DP Conway (NZ) 5T de Zorzi (SA) 5UT Khawaja (AUS) 5TWM Latham (NZ) 5AK Markram (SA) 5KNM Fernando (SL) 3P Nissanka (SL) 3Shadman Islam (BAN) 3SPD Smith (AUS) 3Abdullah Shafique (PAK) 2A Balbirnie (IRE) 2KC Brathwaite (WI) 2DW Lawrence (ENG) 2PJ Moor (IRE) 2Saim Ayub (PAK) 2Zakir Hasan (BAN) 2T Chanderpaul (WI) 1M Louis (WI) 1Mahmudul Hasan Joy (BAN) 1NA McSweeney (AUS) 1OJ Pope (ENG) 1KL Rahul (IND) 1BA Stokes (ENG) 1DA Warner (AUS) 1
Looking at that list, it's easy to conclude that England's and India's selectors are making better decisions on opening batsmen than those of many other countries.2 -
Something a bit left field but i wonder if they like the really tall right handed and shorter left handed partnership.
Cant be that easy for the bowlers to adjust all of the time.1 -
billysboots said:Something a bit left field but i wonder if they like the really tall right handed and shorter left handed partnership.
Cant be that easy for the bowlers to adjust all of the time.1 -
fenaddick said:billysboots said:Something a bit left field but i wonder if they like the really tall right handed and shorter left handed partnership.
Cant be that easy for the bowlers to adjust all of the time.4 -
fenaddick said:billysboots said:Something a bit left field but i wonder if they like the really tall right handed and shorter left handed partnership.
Cant be that easy for the bowlers to adjust all of the time.
- Crawley & Duckett: 14 (out of 43 = 32.5%)
- Warner & Khawaja: 12 (out of 40 = 30%)
- Conway & Latham: 9 (out of 38 = 23.7%)
- Jaiswal & Rohit: 8 (out of 26 = 30.8%)1 -
Chizz said:This might explain a small part of the thinking of Stokes and McCullum. There's certainly something to be said for the habit of winning.
Most Test wins as an opener this yearBM Duckett (ENG) 8
YBK Jaiswal (IND) 8Z Crawley (ENG) 7RG Sharma (IND) 7FDM Karunaratne (SL) 6DP Conway (NZ) 5T de Zorzi (SA) 5UT Khawaja (AUS) 5TWM Latham (NZ) 5AK Markram (SA) 5KNM Fernando (SL) 3P Nissanka (SL) 3Shadman Islam (BAN) 3SPD Smith (AUS) 3Abdullah Shafique (PAK) 2A Balbirnie (IRE) 2KC Brathwaite (WI) 2DW Lawrence (ENG) 2PJ Moor (IRE) 2Saim Ayub (PAK) 2Zakir Hasan (BAN) 2T Chanderpaul (WI) 1M Louis (WI) 1Mahmudul Hasan Joy (BAN) 1NA McSweeney (AUS) 1OJ Pope (ENG) 1KL Rahul (IND) 1BA Stokes (ENG) 1DA Warner (AUS) 1
Looking at that list, it's easy to conclude that England's and India's selectors are making better decisions on opening batsmen than those of many other countries.
England have played the most Tests (16) this year, won 9 (56%) and lost 7 (44%). That's hardly a winning habit over the course of the year or a measure that Stokes and McCullum have been picking the right openers. Equally, Australia have only played 7 Tests, won 5 (71%) and lost 2 (29%) so it would have been impossible for Khawaja to overhaul England's openers even if Australia had won all their matches.
Never let the facts get in the way of a good story, eh!0