We went into a restaurants toilets a little while ago and it was mixed. Didn’t bother me but the wife didn’t like the idea that she was using a loo previously used by a man. But what neither of us liked was the fact there were also urinals in there. I don’t think that is right at all.
Do you segregate your toilets at home then?
Of course he doesn't, they are private to those in the home and my best guess is only used by one person at a time.
A mate of mines dad has a colostomy bag so has to do a tiny bit of life admin when thinking about toilets. He carries a radar key and uses the disabled bogs where they exist, trans people can do the same and avoid any situation where they can virtue signal and falsely claim the world is out to get them
All of my trans friends are rightly fucking terrified right now, just saying
We went into a restaurants toilets a little while ago and it was mixed. Didn’t bother me but the wife didn’t like the idea that she was using a loo previously used by a man. But what neither of us liked was the fact there were also urinals in there. I don’t think that is right at all.
Do you segregate your toilets at home then?
Would you be comfortable with a young daughter going into a toilet with men pissing in a urinal in full view. I wouldn't
I'm sure you'll get some extreme left wing opinions on this, but as far as I'm concerned, I wouldn't want my daughter using a toilet next to an adult male.
Was in a pub years ago in Rio, went to the toilet and for the life of me couldn't work out which was the Gents, and which was the Ladies toilets
So decided to chance it... Am standing there at the toilet with nothing but some Wild West Bar type shutters for privacy, and have heard something behind me - Looked round and after having a 50/50 chance of guessing the right toilet to be in... and realised I've picked the wrong bloody one, as two local women are standing there laughing at me!!
As you were in Rio, you couldn't even blame the cold weather.
Its important to have the conversation and there is no easy answer here. There are a few things to bear in mind when having the conversation though.
Trans people are people. They are often some of the most vulnerable people in society, more likely to be the victim of violence, more likely to be the victim of sexual violence. they are also a very small proportion of the population.
My personal view is that gender is fluid, there is science to this, studies have found that as high as 1% of people are undiagnosed as a form of intersex - either the genitals they were born with dont match their chromosomes, they have both sets of chromosomes or have male chromosomes but the Y doesnt activate.
The trans population is much smaller than that. To be clear I'm not saying all trans people are intersex but I am pointing out that gender is not as straightforward binary as some believe.
These are things that should be remembered throughout discussions like this.
Aware I havent really answered the question. Its because I dont have an answer. I dont want women to feel unsafe but I think the reason that women might feel unsafe isnt genuine trans people but predators. I think predators are gonna be predators either way and dont think they would go to that effort just to get in a womens bathroom. I think gender neutral bathrooms would solve the problem completely.
You can have male predators in male toilets and female ones in female toilets. Which is criminal and already gets punished when they are caught and this would include men dressing as women with a sexual intent. It is a pointless argument as it is not economically viable to check the sex of people entering a toilet. If it wasn't, you could stop women who look a bit manly having a pee!
Yep. There's a horrendous political movement to demonise, dehumanise and even outlaw trans people at the moment, and take it from me, all the ones I know (of the women; I also know at least one trans man) are not 'big stubbly types you'd think of as a man', they are all very shy and feminine and living in constant fear of having their medication stopped, their passports confiscated, their ability to even identify as trans revoked. And all because they're an easy target for revanchist forces to begin (and it won't end here) their erosion of civil rights as a whole. Somehow it's been easy to convince huge swathes of people that they're basically pretending, and a significant threat to AFAB women - in other words, dehumanised. Take it from me: my partner's sister is not pretending. My close friends, one of whom has flown to America to be with another, are not pretending. None of them pose any risk to any woman I could think of. Except themselves. I just pray I don't hear some day soon that they've ended their life.
We went into a restaurants toilets a little while ago and it was mixed. Didn’t bother me but the wife didn’t like the idea that she was using a loo previously used by a man. But what neither of us liked was the fact there were also urinals in there. I don’t think that is right at all.
Do you segregate your toilets at home then?
Would you be comfortable with a young daughter going into a toilet with men pissing in a urinal in full view. I wouldn't
I have never seen a urinal in a ladies toilet.
When using a unisex cubicle I sometimes find the seat is wet which isn't pleasant. That happens a lot less in ladies only toilets.
I believe in Live and Let Live, but some stuff I don’t have a clue about.
I would have thought transgender would affect 1 in a million.
But feels wrong a man who dresses as a woman to use a Ladies loo.
1 in a million ??? Have a laugh. Have you seen the stats for trans women in women prisons in Scotland.
I'm not a Trump supporter but to me there are only 2 sexes.....men & women. I dont care if you believe you are a woman trapped in a mans body (funny how its not usually the other way round) but if you have a penis then you use the male toilet. Until you have an operation to fully change your sex then, sorry, you have to use the facilities appropriate to the genetalia you were born with.
Personally, I've never been much of a fan of spending time worrying about what people I don't know have in their underwear, when I see them in a pub. But lots of people do. And it causes them a disproportionate amount of stress.
So, perhaps it would be useful to decide where these two people must be forced to go when they need to use a loo in a pub. Although, of course, it must be the same answer for both.
Yep. There's a horrendous political movement to demonise, dehumanise and even outlaw trans people at the moment, and take it from me, all the ones I know (of the women; I also know at least one trans man) are not 'big stubbly types you'd think of as a man', they are all very shy and feminine and living in constant fear of having their medication stopped, their passports confiscated, their ability to even identify as trans revoked. And all because they're an easy target for revanchist forces to begin (and it won't end here) their erosion of civil rights as a whole. Somehow it's been easy to convince huge swathes of people that they're basically pretending, and a significant threat to AFAB women - in other words, dehumanised. Take it from me: my partner's sister is not pretending. My close friends, one of whom has flown to America to be with another, are not pretending. None of them pose any risk to any woman I could think of. Except themselves. I just pray I don't hear some day soon that they've ended their life.
The issue is it's not transgender people who are a threat, its men dressing up PRETENDING to be transgender that is the problem.
Unisex / gender neutral bathrooms and doing away with urinals are the best solution to this at the moment.
I’d personally take it one step further. Everyone should be forced to sit when using a public toilet so I don’t have to deal with piss all over the seat when I’m trying to take a shit.
I believe in Live and Let Live, but some stuff I don’t have a clue about.
I would have thought transgender would affect 1 in a million.
But feels wrong a man who dresses as a woman to use a Ladies loo.
1 in a million ??? Have a laugh. Have you seen the stats for trans women in women prisons in Scotland.
I'm not a Trump supporter but to me there are only 2 sexes.....men & women. I dont care if you believe you are a woman trapped in a mans body (funny how its not usually the other way round) but if you have a penis then you use the male toilet. Until you have an operation to fully change your sex then, sorry, you have to use the facilities appropriate to the genetalia you were born with.
What stats have you seen? According to this report there are seven trans women in women’s prisons in Scotland.
Yep. There's a horrendous political movement to demonise, dehumanise and even outlaw trans people at the moment, and take it from me, all the ones I know (of the women; I also know at least one trans man) are not 'big stubbly types you'd think of as a man', they are all very shy and feminine and living in constant fear of having their medication stopped, their passports confiscated, their ability to even identify as trans revoked. And all because they're an easy target for revanchist forces to begin (and it won't end here) their erosion of civil rights as a whole. Somehow it's been easy to convince huge swathes of people that they're basically pretending, and a significant threat to AFAB women - in other words, dehumanised. Take it from me: my partner's sister is not pretending. My close friends, one of whom has flown to America to be with another, are not pretending. None of them pose any risk to any woman I could think of. Except themselves. I just pray I don't hear some day soon that they've ended their life.
The issue is it's not transgender people who are a threat, it’s men dressing up PRETENDING to be transgender that is the problem.
Personally, I've never been much of a fan of spending time worrying about what people I don't know have in their underwear, when I see them in a pub. But lots of people do. And it causes them a disproportionate amount of stress.
So, perhaps it would be useful to decide where these two people must be forced to go when they need to use a loo in a pub. Although, of course, it must be the same answer for both.
Anyone care to decide on their behalf?
Really easy. If they have a penis they use the men’s. If they have a vagina, it’s the ladies. If they are genuinely concerned about that, then they make use of the gender neutral single cubical disabled toilets.
Personally, I've never been much of a fan of spending time worrying about what people I don't know have in their underwear, when I see them in a pub. But lots of people do. And it causes them a disproportionate amount of stress.
So, perhaps it would be useful to decide where these two people must be forced to go when they need to use a loo in a pub. Although, of course, it must be the same answer for both.
Anyone care to decide on their behalf?
Really easy. If they have a penis they use the men’s. If they have a vagina, it’s the ladies. If they are genuinely concerned about that, then they make use of the gender neutral single cubical disabled toilets.
And the same is true of changing rooms in schools and leisure centres.
Personally, I've never been much of a fan of spending time worrying about what people I don't know have in their underwear, when I see them in a pub. But lots of people do. And it causes them a disproportionate amount of stress.
So, perhaps it would be useful to decide where these two people must be forced to go when they need to use a loo in a pub. Although, of course, it must be the same answer for both.
Anyone care to decide on their behalf?
Really easy. If they have a penis they use the men’s. If they have a vagina, it’s the ladies. If they are genuinely concerned about that, then they make use of the gender neutral single cubical disabled toilets.
Are you volunteering to inspect them before they enter? It really isn't easy at all.
Personally, I've never been much of a fan of spending time worrying about what people I don't know have in their underwear, when I see them in a pub. But lots of people do. And it causes them a disproportionate amount of stress.
So, perhaps it would be useful to decide where these two people must be forced to go when they need to use a loo in a pub. Although, of course, it must be the same answer for both.
Anyone care to decide on their behalf?
Really easy. If they have a penis they use the men’s. If they have a vagina, it’s the ladies. If they are genuinely concerned about that, then they make use of the gender neutral single cubical disabled toilets.
Are you volunteering to inspect them before they enter? It really isn't easy at all.
It is easy, it’s how it’s been since the year dot.
Personally, I've never been much of a fan of spending time worrying about what people I don't know have in their underwear, when I see them in a pub. But lots of people do. And it causes them a disproportionate amount of stress.
So, perhaps it would be useful to decide where these two people must be forced to go when they need to use a loo in a pub. Although, of course, it must be the same answer for both.
Anyone care to decide on their behalf?
Really easy. If they have a penis they use the men’s. If they have a vagina, it’s the ladies. If they are genuinely concerned about that, then they make use of the gender neutral single cubical disabled toilets.
Are you volunteering to inspect them before they enter? It really isn't easy at all.
It is easy, it’s how it’s been since the year dot.
When did they introduce genital disclosure in the pubs you go to?
Wasn't sure how to word the title and if there's already a thread on this as no doubt there's probably several then admin please delete.
Bloke with a very butch voice and stubble in a pub dressed as a woman, very glamorous like, (put some real effort into it unlike some of the girls who can't even be arsed to change out of their dressing gowns and pyjamas to go down to the shops) who has just used the ladies loos. Now is this socially acceptable for those on here, particularly the ladies to think as you're using the loo that in the cubicle next to you is a rather large man standing up lifting up his skirt to have a piss.
Personally, I've never been much of a fan of spending time worrying about what people I don't know have in their underwear, when I see them in a pub. But lots of people do. And it causes them a disproportionate amount of stress.
So, perhaps it would be useful to decide where these two people must be forced to go when they need to use a loo in a pub. Although, of course, it must be the same answer for both.
Anyone care to decide on their behalf?
Really easy. If they have a penis they use the men’s. If they have a vagina, it’s the ladies. If they are genuinely concerned about that, then they make use of the gender neutral single cubical disabled toilets.
Are you volunteering to inspect them before they enter? It really isn't easy at all.
It is easy, it’s how it’s been since the year dot.
When did they introduce genital disclosure in the pubs you go to?
They never have. It’s called social convention, and has worked relatively well so far.
Personally, I've never been much of a fan of spending time worrying about what people I don't know have in their underwear, when I see them in a pub. But lots of people do. And it causes them a disproportionate amount of stress.
So, perhaps it would be useful to decide where these two people must be forced to go when they need to use a loo in a pub. Although, of course, it must be the same answer for both.
Anyone care to decide on their behalf?
Really easy. If they have a penis they use the men’s. If they have a vagina, it’s the ladies. If they are genuinely concerned about that, then they make use of the gender neutral single cubical disabled toilets.
Are you volunteering to inspect them before they enter? It really isn't easy at all.
It is easy, it’s how it’s been since the year dot.
When did they introduce genital disclosure in the pubs you go to?
You don’t use the Wetherspoons app Chizz? It’s the step after you confirm your table number
Personally, I've never been much of a fan of spending time worrying about what people I don't know have in their underwear, when I see them in a pub. But lots of people do. And it causes them a disproportionate amount of stress.
So, perhaps it would be useful to decide where these two people must be forced to go when they need to use a loo in a pub. Although, of course, it must be the same answer for both.
Anyone care to decide on their behalf?
Really easy. If they have a penis they use the men’s. If they have a vagina, it’s the ladies. If they are genuinely concerned about that, then they make use of the gender neutral single cubical disabled toilets.
Are you volunteering to inspect them before they enter? It really isn't easy at all.
It is easy, it’s how it’s been since the year dot.
When did they introduce genital disclosure in the pubs you go to?
They never have. It’s called social convention, and has worked relatively well so far.
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I wouldn't
Trans people are people. They are often some of the most vulnerable people in society, more likely to be the victim of violence, more likely to be the victim of sexual violence. they are also a very small proportion of the population.
My personal view is that gender is fluid, there is science to this, studies have found that as high as 1% of people are undiagnosed as a form of intersex - either the genitals they were born with dont match their chromosomes, they have both sets of chromosomes or have male chromosomes but the Y doesnt activate.
The trans population is much smaller than that. To be clear I'm not saying all trans people are intersex but I am pointing out that gender is not as straightforward binary as some believe.
These are things that should be remembered throughout discussions like this.
Aware I havent really answered the question. Its because I dont have an answer. I dont want women to feel unsafe but I think the reason that women might feel unsafe isnt genuine trans people but predators. I think predators are gonna be predators either way and dont think they would go to that effort just to get in a womens bathroom. I think gender neutral bathrooms would solve the problem completely.
When using a unisex cubicle I sometimes find the seat is wet which isn't pleasant. That happens a lot less in ladies only toilets.
I'm not a Trump supporter but to me there are only 2 sexes.....men & women. I dont care if you believe you are a woman trapped in a mans body (funny how its not usually the other way round) but if you have a penis then you use the male toilet. Until you have an operation to fully change your sex then, sorry, you have to use the facilities appropriate to the genetalia you were born with.
So, perhaps it would be useful to decide where these two people must be forced to go when they need to use a loo in a pub. Although, of course, it must be the same answer for both.
Anyone care to decide on their behalf?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-67613441.amp
It seems to me that this topic is vastly over-discussed, probably entirely to whip up a hysteria, given how few people actually are trans.