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  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,334
    PragueAddick said:
    Rory Stewart is actively using DeepSeat, so that’s a good enough recco for me. He says that he put in a question about Heathrow Airport expansion to first ChatGPT, then DeepSeat and the latter gave him much more detailed fact based answers. (Source, Rest is Politics podcast)

    But I am not counting on it being able to give me that very basic comparative analysis of the funds in my investment portfolio. 😉
    Deep Seek 

    If it allows you to register (and that's by no means certain - for example, my work domain is blocked by Deep Seek) ask it what happened on 4 June 1989 in Tinanenmen Square. 
  • PragueAddick
    PragueAddick Posts: 22,145
    Chizz said:
    PragueAddick said:
    Rory Stewart is actively using DeepSeat, so that’s a good enough recco for me. He says that he put in a question about Heathrow Airport expansion to first ChatGPT, then DeepSeat and the latter gave him much more detailed fact based answers. (Source, Rest is Politics podcast)

    But I am not counting on it being able to give me that very basic comparative analysis of the funds in my investment portfolio. 😉
    Deep Seek 

    If it allows you to register (and that's by no means certain - for example, my work domain is blocked by Deep Seek) ask it what happened on 4 June 1989 in Tinanenmen Square. 
    Yes sorry for the spell fuckup. 

    Rory Stewart and Alastair Campbell mentioned that obvious bias, so I know not to ask it that. 
  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,334
    PragueAddick said:
    Chizz said:
    PragueAddick said:
    Rory Stewart is actively using DeepSeat, so that’s a good enough recco for me. He says that he put in a question about Heathrow Airport expansion to first ChatGPT, then DeepSeat and the latter gave him much more detailed fact based answers. (Source, Rest is Politics podcast)

    But I am not counting on it being able to give me that very basic comparative analysis of the funds in my investment portfolio. 😉
    Deep Seek 

    If it allows you to register (and that's by no means certain - for example, my work domain is blocked by Deep Seek) ask it what happened on 4 June 1989 in Tinanenmen Square. 
    Yes sorry for the spell fuckup. 

    Rory Stewart and Alastair Campbell mentioned that obvious bias, so I know not to ask it that. 
    And then there's the issues of security and personal data. I think people should think long and hard before uploading any PII to a China-hosted app. 
  • fenlandaddick
    fenlandaddick Posts: 1,768
    edited February 7
    Chizz said:
    PragueAddick said:
    Chizz said:
    PragueAddick said:
    Rory Stewart is actively using DeepSeat, so that’s a good enough recco for me. He says that he put in a question about Heathrow Airport expansion to first ChatGPT, then DeepSeat and the latter gave him much more detailed fact based answers. (Source, Rest is Politics podcast)

    But I am not counting on it being able to give me that very basic comparative analysis of the funds in my investment portfolio. 😉
    Deep Seek 

    If it allows you to register (and that's by no means certain - for example, my work domain is blocked by Deep Seek) ask it what happened on 4 June 1989 in Tinanenmen Square. 
    Yes sorry for the spell fuckup. 

    Rory Stewart and Alastair Campbell mentioned that obvious bias, so I know not to ask it that. 
    And then there's the issues of security and personal data. I think people should think long and hard before uploading any PII to a China-hosted app. 

    If worried about privacy you can run some models locally. Ollama is available to download and is Metas Llama LLM. Do need a fairly decent laptop of pc to run them else they will be very slow (ideally have a good GPU)
  • stonemuse
    stonemuse Posts: 34,002
    Perplexity says its version of DeepSeek gets around censorship. DeepSeek refused to discuss controversial political topics, such as the Tiananmen Square Massacre and the treatment of Uyghurs. At one point, when speaking about Taiwan's independence, it adopted "we" pronouns as if speaking directly as the Chinese Communist Party (CCP).

    Perplexity CEO Aravind Srinivas says its version of DeepSeek will not censor responses and will go off-script with the CCP narrative. 

    https://uk.pcmag.com/ai/156495/deepseek-is-here-to-stay-as-microsoft-perplexity-integrate-its-model



  • 995632
    995632 Posts: 319
    Deep Seek

    DeepSeek iOS app sends data unencrypted to ByteDance-controlled servers
    https://arstechnica.com/security/2025/02/deepseek-ios-app-sends-data-unencrypted-to-bytedance-controlled-servers/

    DeepSeek’s Popular AI App Is Explicitly Sending US Data to China
    https://www.wired.com/story/deepseek-ai-china-privacy-data/

    https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGdUShbBr/ 
  • PragueAddick
    PragueAddick Posts: 22,145
    Chizz said:
    PragueAddick said:
    Chizz said:
    PragueAddick said:
    Rory Stewart is actively using DeepSeat, so that’s a good enough recco for me. He says that he put in a question about Heathrow Airport expansion to first ChatGPT, then DeepSeat and the latter gave him much more detailed fact based answers. (Source, Rest is Politics podcast)

    But I am not counting on it being able to give me that very basic comparative analysis of the funds in my investment portfolio. 😉
    Deep Seek 

    If it allows you to register (and that's by no means certain - for example, my work domain is blocked by Deep Seek) ask it what happened on 4 June 1989 in Tinanenmen Square. 
    Yes sorry for the spell fuckup. 

    Rory Stewart and Alastair Campbell mentioned that obvious bias, so I know not to ask it that. 
    And then there's the issues of security and personal data. I think people should think long and hard before uploading any PII to a China-hosted app. 
    I’m aware of those concerns, so I was quite struck by the fact that Rory Stewart does not seem concerned about it from his own perspective and I would think he knows more than most of us about personal security.

    The funny thing is that I did hesitate before using my email address to sign up. Then having done so, it refused me, in the same way as your work email server did (my main email is on a private local server). So I dug out a long dormant web based account run by Seznam ( a search/news/commerce portal) and it accepted that. Odd. Anyway it can’t help me with my funds either, so sod it. Programming cut off date is almost two years ago!
  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,349
    edited February 7
    China isn't going to exploit personal data anymore than Big Tech already does. 
  • stonemuse
    stonemuse Posts: 34,002
    edited February 7
    PragueAddick said:
    Chizz said:
    PragueAddick said:
    Chizz said:
    PragueAddick said:
    Rory Stewart is actively using DeepSeat, so that’s a good enough recco for me. He says that he put in a question about Heathrow Airport expansion to first ChatGPT, then DeepSeat and the latter gave him much more detailed fact based answers. (Source, Rest is Politics podcast)

    But I am not counting on it being able to give me that very basic comparative analysis of the funds in my investment portfolio. 😉
    Deep Seek 

    If it allows you to register (and that's by no means certain - for example, my work domain is blocked by Deep Seek) ask it what happened on 4 June 1989 in Tinanenmen Square. 
    Yes sorry for the spell fuckup. 

    Rory Stewart and Alastair Campbell mentioned that obvious bias, so I know not to ask it that. 
    And then there's the issues of security and personal data. I think people should think long and hard before uploading any PII to a China-hosted app. 
    I’m aware of those concerns, so I was quite struck by the fact that Rory Stewart does not seem concerned about it from his own perspective and I would think he knows more than most of us about personal security.

    The funny thing is that I did hesitate before using my email address to sign up. Then having done so, it refused me, in the same way as your work email server did (my main email is on a private local server). So I dug out a long dormant web based account run by Seznam ( a search/news/commerce portal) and it accepted that. Odd. Anyway it can’t help me with my funds either, so sod it. Programming cut off date is almost two years ago!
    Rory Stewart’s lack of concern does not make it safe. I would be very wary of using DeepSeek. 

    That said, it is a disruptive and far less expensive to run … hopefully others will follow. 
  • IdleHans
    IdleHans Posts: 10,968
    Chizz said:
    PragueAddick said:
    Chizz said:
    PragueAddick said:
    Rory Stewart is actively using DeepSeat, so that’s a good enough recco for me. He says that he put in a question about Heathrow Airport expansion to first ChatGPT, then DeepSeat and the latter gave him much more detailed fact based answers. (Source, Rest is Politics podcast)

    But I am not counting on it being able to give me that very basic comparative analysis of the funds in my investment portfolio. 😉
    Deep Seek 

    If it allows you to register (and that's by no means certain - for example, my work domain is blocked by Deep Seek) ask it what happened on 4 June 1989 in Tinanenmen Square. 
    Yes sorry for the spell fuckup. 

    Rory Stewart and Alastair Campbell mentioned that obvious bias, so I know not to ask it that. 
    And then there's the issues of security and personal data. I think people should think long and hard before uploading any PII to a China-hosted app. 
    I thought long and hard about uploading every bit of personal data I could get my hands on. But what's the worst that could happen?
    Anyway, I told it my name is Matt Southall.
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  • PragueAddick
    PragueAddick Posts: 22,145
    This Tweet caught my eye, about a French AI rival called Le Chat from a company called Mistral. The author is obviously a fan, but seems to make reasonable points about how it was built at a fraction of the cost of ChatGPT et al, and is faster. So I thought I'll put that to a crude test against ChatGPT, Claude and DeepSeek. I used this question (with an un-corrected typo):

    "What are the fact-based advantages and disadvantages of the plan to build a thrid runway at Heathrow airport"

    and timed in seconds to the point where each finished their answers:

    DeepSeek : 65 seconds (once it opened at all 🤣)
    Chat GPT:  18 seconds 
    Claude :    14 seconds
    Le Chat:      6 seconds.

    Great. But..how to evaluate the quality of the answers?. The only quantitative measure of this I could think of was word count. This came out as follows:

    DeepSeek: 644
    Chat GPT:  338
    Le Chat:     337
    Claude:      279

    Le Chat disappointed with its lack of figures, the other three all had most of the relevant figures Only Claude, though, specifically mentioned re-routing the M25 as a disadvantage, which I think is the deal-breaker for the plan. 

    Anyway, I'm going to keep trying LeChat. Mainstream media doesn't cover it at all, while banging on about how Europe needs to "become more competitive". Would be interested to read if anyone else tries it. 
        
  • Leroy Ambrose
    Leroy Ambrose Posts: 14,436
    What sort of answer did you expect when you ask a cat? If I asked my cat that he'd just fart and walk off
  • PragueAddick
    PragueAddick Posts: 22,145
    Leroy Ambrose said:
    What sort of answer did you expect when you ask a cat? If I asked my cat that he'd just fart and walk off
    I dunno about that. Larry the Cat on Twitter is one of the smartest tools in the box, and I love to watch thick MAGA Yanks arguing with him.
  • stonemuse
    stonemuse Posts: 34,002
    Been using a mix in recent months, Perplexity, ChatGPT, Gemini, and a few others. 

    ChatGPT is currently providing me with more accurate, detailed and specific responses, although when digging into my specific role, Trade Finance, all the tools make errors with in depth analysis of trade rules, practices and law … however this still provides me with the base that I need.  

    Bottom line, they are saving me hours of research every week, and have been incredibly useful for a family history book I recently finished.  

    And provided some very good insights for a series of online training modules I am in the process of finalising. 
  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,334

  • Raith_C_Chattonell
    Raith_C_Chattonell Posts: 5,680
    An interesting section on this morning's Wake Up To Money regarding bully boy Elon Musk and his 100 billion dollar bid to Sam Altman in the ownership of the 'not for profit' section of Open AI (the owners of Chat GPT).

    It starts at 05:45 goes on to 11:30.  Elon argues it is for the good of humanity, but in the hands of this ultra right wing extremist?  Scary stuff. 

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m0027t2y
  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,334
    Raith_C_Chattonell said:
    An interesting section on this morning's Wake Up To Money regarding bully boy Elon Musk and his 100 billion dollar bid to Sam Altman in the ownership of the 'not for profit' section of Open AI (the owners of Chat GPT).

    It starts at 05:45 goes on to 11:30.  Elon argues it is for the good of humanity, but in the hands of this ultra right wing extremist?  Scary stuff. 

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m0027t2y
    Two, unelected national figures battling publicly with each other, both vying for the affection of an authoritative, deliberately chaotic leader who thrives on division, encouraging rivalries within his own party, media and the country's corporations to keep himself at the centre of all power struggles.  It's interesting to see the leader also courting one side, by hinting at favourable policies if that side aligns with his administration. 

    But enough about Adolf Hitler, Joseph Goebbels and Martin Bormann - sorry to side-track. 
  • Raith_C_Chattonell
    Raith_C_Chattonell Posts: 5,680
    https://youtu.be/jdddmawICg8
  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    The very mention of China is a trigger negative for so many. Personally I find the dog whistle reactions uncomfortable because I am married to somebody from Beijing.

  • Leroy Ambrose
    Leroy Ambrose Posts: 14,436
    seth plum said:
    The very mention of China is a trigger negative for so many. Personally I find the dog whistle reactions uncomfortable because I am married to somebody from Beijing.

    That's cool. Because your missus is from there, we should ignore the fact their population isn't free to speak out about their regime, can't vote for an alternative, and is involved in the systematic repression and ethnic cleansing of the uighur? 
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  • Stu_of_Kunming
    Stu_of_Kunming Posts: 17,117
    Spot the racist foreigner hater. 
  • bobmunro
    bobmunro Posts: 20,843
    seth plum said:
    The very mention of China is a trigger negative for so many. Personally I find the dog whistle reactions uncomfortable because I am married to somebody from Beijing.


    I'm sure your wife isn't a cruel, corrupt, controlling, murderous totalitarian, as is indeed the case for most people in Beijing.
    The CCP is however all of those things and much more.


  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    Leroy Ambrose said:
    seth plum said:
    The very mention of China is a trigger negative for so many. Personally I find the dog whistle reactions uncomfortable because I am married to somebody from Beijing.

    That's cool. Because your missus is from there, we should ignore the fact their population isn't free to speak out about their regime, can't vote for an alternative, and is involved in the systematic repression and ethnic cleansing of the uighur? 
    Is that what I said?
  • Arthur_Trudgill
    Arthur_Trudgill Posts: 464
    Raith_C_Chattonell said:
    An interesting section on this morning's Wake Up To Money regarding bully boy Elon Musk and his 100 billion dollar bid to Sam Altman in the ownership of the 'not for profit' section of Open AI (the owners of Chat GPT).

    It starts at 05:45 goes on to 11:30.  Elon argues it is for the good of humanity, but in the hands of this ultra right wing extremist?  Scary stuff. 

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m0027t2y
    I think Elon Musk will do his 'good for humanity ' regardless of whether he gets OpenAI or not, so in that sense I'm not more scared than before he made the bid.

    But the bid itself gives you an idea of how he goes about increasing his power base, namely by acquiring and controlling tools that millions of people use to seek information and knowledge.
  • Leroy Ambrose
    Leroy Ambrose Posts: 14,436
    Stu_of_Kunming said:
    Spot the racist foreigner hater. 
    What the actual fuck are you babbling about? 🤣🤣🤣
  • Leroy Ambrose
    Leroy Ambrose Posts: 14,436
    seth plum said:
    Leroy Ambrose said:
    seth plum said:
    The very mention of China is a trigger negative for so many. Personally I find the dog whistle reactions uncomfortable because I am married to somebody from Beijing.

    That's cool. Because your missus is from there, we should ignore the fact their population isn't free to speak out about their regime, can't vote for an alternative, and is involved in the systematic repression and ethnic cleansing of the uighur? 
    Is that what I said?
    It's the equivalency you draw. When people are asking legitimate questions about a product funded and built under the watch of the CCP, which is likely to have used stolen data, including PII, during it's creation, and continuously sends a stream of data back to the CCP in use, whilst simultaneously not using proper encryption/authorisation methods to secure data in transit, leaving it open to misappropriation and abuse by malicious actors - that's not 'dog whistling'.

    Hope that helps? 
  • Stu_of_Kunming
    Stu_of_Kunming Posts: 17,117
    Leroy Ambrose said:
    Stu_of_Kunming said:
    Spot the racist foreigner hater. 
    What the actual fuck are you babbling about? 🤣🤣🤣
    It’s a quote of absolute nonsense, you’ll be accused of it seriously soon enough though. 
  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,334
    Why is it that the jokes thread is the only thread on which you seem not to post with the intention of deflecting the conversation, aiming to get it shut down, Seth?  I am beginning to worry that those jokes you post may, in fact, be ChatGPT instead of you. 
  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    Leroy Ambrose said:
    seth plum said:
    Leroy Ambrose said:
    seth plum said:
    The very mention of China is a trigger negative for so many. Personally I find the dog whistle reactions uncomfortable because I am married to somebody from Beijing.

    That's cool. Because your missus is from there, we should ignore the fact their population isn't free to speak out about their regime, can't vote for an alternative, and is involved in the systematic repression and ethnic cleansing of the uighur? 
    Is that what I said?
    It's the equivalency you draw. When people are asking legitimate questions about a product funded and built under the watch of the CCP, which is likely to have used stolen data, including PII, during it's creation, and continuously sends a stream of data back to the CCP in use, whilst simultaneously not using proper encryption/authorisation methods to secure data in transit, leaving it open to misappropriation and abuse by malicious actors - that's not 'dog whistling'.

    Hope that helps? 
    I did not draw any equivalency.
  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    Chizz said:
    Why is it that the jokes thread is the only thread on which you seem not to post with the intention of deflecting the conversation, aiming to get it shut down, Seth?  I am beginning to worry that those jokes you post may, in fact, be ChatGPT instead of you. 
    I had no intention to deflect anything.

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