Personally I’d rather forget it than reflect on it . Dark days that hopefully we won’t see again .
This is a day for those who have lost loved ones to remember the sacrifice many made whilst looking after others. So many healthcare workers lost their lives or have been permanently affected, in the line of duty.
We have Remembrance Day every November to remember those who gave their lives that others could be free, this is no different.
It is though... People gave their freedom so others could live and sadly many died... It's completely different in about a dozen other ways too. Really don't appreciate that kind of comparison.
I know it's your whole raison d'etre and all that but it just isn't true. It's terrible what happened but it's not comparable.
Many healthcare workers did give their lives looking after others, some moved out if family homes so that they didn't infect their loved ones. Many died and many have been unable to work since. They went to work even though they were not properly protected with adequate ppe.
You ought to listen to the evidence given by Dr Kevin Fong at the Covid Inquiry last year. He spoke of seeing colleagues wearing nappies, so that they didn't have to take toilet breaks and could therefore continue to look after sick patients.
I think a day of reflecting on what those brave health care-workers did is not too much to ask.
You're literally reverting to type and completely ignoring what I've actually said... What the healthcare workers did was amazing. Comparing it to Remembrance day is at best idiotic and at worst tasteless.
I'll leave it there because I don't think this is a fair fight...
Somebody was questioning the need for a day of reflection, I gave reasons why that might be.
I watched some of the bereaved families attending some of the services that were shown on tv this morning, they deserve a day of reflection. Citing people 'giving up their freedom so that others could live' I find pretty tasteless, it doesn't come anywhere close to losing a loved one.
Again I really don't want to get into this as clearly you are troubled by what has happened to the extent it has become a defining part of your character, a long running tedium in this forum that we don't need to argue about.
They deserve a day of reflection, completely agreed. The idea that anyone is saying they somehow don't is crass and the offence I've taken to that will sadly come through in this post. I am reflecting today, I'm currently listening to Vanessa Feltz on LBC reflecting on COVID with tears in my eyes, and I'm reflecting on how me and my family went through the pandemic.
It doesn't make your comment any less stupid or tasteless. That person wasn't asking why there should be a day of reflection as your post claimed, they were saying they'd rather forget. A lot of soldiers, to use your pig eared analogy, preferred to keep quiet and forget the trauma of war.
Your problem is you have a big mouth and a small brain. Try actually reading what people are saying rather than being so focused on the agenda you want to get out there.
I'm going to go and reflect now... Maybe you should do more reflecting and less projecting.
What is it you’re really angry about? Weird person.
Personally I’d rather forget it than reflect on it . Dark days that hopefully we won’t see again .
This is a day for those who have lost loved ones to remember the sacrifice many made whilst looking after others. So many healthcare workers lost their lives or have been permanently affected, in the line of duty.
We have Remembrance Day every November to remember those who gave their lives that others could be free, this is no different.
It is though... People gave their freedom so others could live and sadly many died... It's completely different in about a dozen other ways too. Really don't appreciate that kind of comparison.
I know it's your whole raison d'etre and all that but it just isn't true. It's terrible what happened but it's not comparable.
Many healthcare workers did give their lives looking after others, some moved out if family homes so that they didn't infect their loved ones. Many died and many have been unable to work since. They went to work even though they were not properly protected with adequate ppe.
You ought to listen to the evidence given by Dr Kevin Fong at the Covid Inquiry last year. He spoke of seeing colleagues wearing nappies, so that they didn't have to take toilet breaks and could therefore continue to look after sick patients.
I think a day of reflecting on what those brave health care-workers did is not too much to ask.
You're literally reverting to type and completely ignoring what I've actually said... What the healthcare workers did was amazing. Comparing it to Remembrance day is at best idiotic and at worst tasteless.
I'll leave it there because I don't think this is a fair fight...
Somebody was questioning the need for a day of reflection, I gave reasons why that might be.
I watched some of the bereaved families attending some of the services that were shown on tv this morning, they deserve a day of reflection. Citing people 'giving up their freedom so that others could live' I find pretty tasteless, it doesn't come anywhere close to losing a loved one.
Again I really don't want to get into this as clearly you are troubled by what has happened to the extent it has become a defining part of your character, a long running tedium in this forum that we don't need to argue about.
They deserve a day of reflection, completely agreed. The idea that anyone is saying they somehow don't is crass and the offence I've taken to that will sadly come through in this post. I am reflecting today, I'm currently listening to Vanessa Feltz on LBC reflecting on COVID with tears in my eyes, and I'm reflecting on how me and my family went through the pandemic.
It doesn't make your comment any less stupid or tasteless. That person wasn't asking why there should be a day of reflection as your post claimed, they were saying they'd rather forget. A lot of soldiers, to use your pig eared analogy, preferred to keep quiet and forget the trauma of war.
Your problem is you have a big mouth and a small brain. Try actually reading what people are saying rather than being so focused on the agenda you want to get out there.
I'm going to go and reflect now... Maybe you should do more reflecting and less projecting.
What is it you’re really angry about? Weird person.
Personally I’d rather forget it than reflect on it . Dark days that hopefully we won’t see again .
This is a day for those who have lost loved ones to remember the sacrifice many made whilst looking after others. So many healthcare workers lost their lives or have been permanently affected, in the line of duty.
We have Remembrance Day every November to remember those who gave their lives that others could be free, this is no different.
It is though... People gave their freedom so others could live and sadly many died... It's completely different in about a dozen other ways too. Really don't appreciate that kind of comparison.
I know it's your whole raison d'etre and all that but it just isn't true. It's terrible what happened but it's not comparable.
Many healthcare workers did give their lives looking after others, some moved out if family homes so that they didn't infect their loved ones. Many died and many have been unable to work since. They went to work even though they were not properly protected with adequate ppe.
You ought to listen to the evidence given by Dr Kevin Fong at the Covid Inquiry last year. He spoke of seeing colleagues wearing nappies, so that they didn't have to take toilet breaks and could therefore continue to look after sick patients.
I think a day of reflecting on what those brave health care-workers did is not too much to ask.
You're literally reverting to type and completely ignoring what I've actually said... What the healthcare workers did was amazing. Comparing it to Remembrance day is at best idiotic and at worst tasteless.
I'll leave it there because I don't think this is a fair fight...
Somebody was questioning the need for a day of reflection, I gave reasons why that might be.
I watched some of the bereaved families attending some of the services that were shown on tv this morning, they deserve a day of reflection. Citing people 'giving up their freedom so that others could live' I find pretty tasteless, it doesn't come anywhere close to losing a loved one.
Again I really don't want to get into this as clearly you are troubled by what has happened to the extent it has become a defining part of your character, a long running tedium in this forum that we don't need to argue about.
They deserve a day of reflection, completely agreed. The idea that anyone is saying they somehow don't is crass and the offence I've taken to that will sadly come through in this post. I am reflecting today, I'm currently listening to Vanessa Feltz on LBC reflecting on COVID with tears in my eyes, and I'm reflecting on how me and my family went through the pandemic.
It doesn't make your comment any less stupid or tasteless. That person wasn't asking why there should be a day of reflection as your post claimed, they were saying they'd rather forget. A lot of soldiers, to use your pig eared analogy, preferred to keep quiet and forget the trauma of war.
Your problem is you have a big mouth and a small brain. Try actually reading what people are saying rather than being so focused on the agenda you want to get out there.
I'm going to go and reflect now... Maybe you should do more reflecting and less projecting.
What is it you’re really angry about? Weird person.
It's like it never happened. People coughing on public transport, not keeping a distance. The whole being kind thing down the shitter. If it wasn't for the increase in conspiracy theory cranks you wouldn't be able to tell the difference from 2019.
Anytime i feel myself sliding over tO ThE dArK sIdE and give credence to one of my thicker mates telling me to dO yOuR rEsEaRCH i think about Sebbo and one of my great aunts who died from covid, alone, in my aunts case in the arse end of Maidstone, no doubt frightened and confused as to why nobody had visited her because whenever we asked where she was we got a different answer and none of them the right one.
I had someone almost justify Sebs death to me however the way I see it is you do not do the volume of games and the sort of games of you are critically ill. I blow out games for light drizzle nowadays so I'm hardly one to talk but poor Seb and my dear old Aunt were victims in that horrible first wave.
I knew things would go back to the way they were and predictably they have. Thankfully I changed jobs relatively early into things and went back on the tools and appreciated being able to be out in the world but also got to witness humanity at its worst.
Personally I’d rather forget it than reflect on it . Dark days that hopefully we won’t see again .
This is a day for those who have lost loved ones to remember the sacrifice many made whilst looking after others. So many healthcare workers lost their lives or have been permanently affected, in the line of duty.
We have Remembrance Day every November to remember those who gave their lives that others could be free, this is no different.
It is though... People gave their freedom so others could live and sadly many died... It's completely different in about a dozen other ways too. Really don't appreciate that kind of comparison.
I know it's your whole raison d'etre and all that but it just isn't true. It's terrible what happened but it's not comparable.
Many healthcare workers did give their lives looking after others, some moved out if family homes so that they didn't infect their loved ones. Many died and many have been unable to work since. They went to work even though they were not properly protected with adequate ppe.
You ought to listen to the evidence given by Dr Kevin Fong at the Covid Inquiry last year. He spoke of seeing colleagues wearing nappies, so that they didn't have to take toilet breaks and could therefore continue to look after sick patients.
I think a day of reflecting on what those brave health care-workers did is not too much to ask.
You're literally reverting to type and completely ignoring what I've actually said... What the healthcare workers did was amazing. Comparing it to Remembrance day is at best idiotic and at worst tasteless.
I'll leave it there because I don't think this is a fair fight...
Somebody was questioning the need for a day of reflection, I gave reasons why that might be.
I watched some of the bereaved families attending some of the services that were shown on tv this morning, they deserve a day of reflection. Citing people 'giving up their freedom so that others could live' I find pretty tasteless, it doesn't come anywhere close to losing a loved one.
Again I really don't want to get into this as clearly you are troubled by what has happened to the extent it has become a defining part of your character, a long running tedium in this forum that we don't need to argue about.
They deserve a day of reflection, completely agreed. The idea that anyone is saying they somehow don't is crass and the offence I've taken to that will sadly come through in this post. I am reflecting today, I'm currently listening to Vanessa Feltz on LBC reflecting on COVID with tears in my eyes, and I'm reflecting on how me and my family went through the pandemic.
It doesn't make your comment any less stupid or tasteless. That person wasn't asking why there should be a day of reflection as your post claimed, they were saying they'd rather forget. A lot of soldiers, to use your pig eared analogy, preferred to keep quiet and forget the trauma of war.
Your problem is you have a big mouth and a small brain. Try actually reading what people are saying rather than being so focused on the agenda you want to get out there.
I'm going to go and reflect now... Maybe you should do more reflecting and less projecting.
I think you're out of line here. She might not have put her point across particularly well, but this is a nasty, aggressive response - and doesn't reflect well on you.
Personally I’d rather forget it than reflect on it . Dark days that hopefully we won’t see again .
This is a day for those who have lost loved ones to remember the sacrifice many made whilst looking after others. So many healthcare workers lost their lives or have been permanently affected, in the line of duty.
We have Remembrance Day every November to remember those who gave their lives that others could be free, this is no different.
It is though... People gave their freedom so others could live and sadly many died... It's completely different in about a dozen other ways too. Really don't appreciate that kind of comparison.
I know it's your whole raison d'etre and all that but it just isn't true. It's terrible what happened but it's not comparable.
Many healthcare workers did give their lives looking after others, some moved out if family homes so that they didn't infect their loved ones. Many died and many have been unable to work since. They went to work even though they were not properly protected with adequate ppe.
You ought to listen to the evidence given by Dr Kevin Fong at the Covid Inquiry last year. He spoke of seeing colleagues wearing nappies, so that they didn't have to take toilet breaks and could therefore continue to look after sick patients.
I think a day of reflecting on what those brave health care-workers did is not too much to ask.
You're literally reverting to type and completely ignoring what I've actually said... What the healthcare workers did was amazing. Comparing it to Remembrance day is at best idiotic and at worst tasteless.
I'll leave it there because I don't think this is a fair fight...
Somebody was questioning the need for a day of reflection, I gave reasons why that might be.
I watched some of the bereaved families attending some of the services that were shown on tv this morning, they deserve a day of reflection. Citing people 'giving up their freedom so that others could live' I find pretty tasteless, it doesn't come anywhere close to losing a loved one.
Again I really don't want to get into this as clearly you are troubled by what has happened to the extent it has become a defining part of your character, a long running tedium in this forum that we don't need to argue about.
They deserve a day of reflection, completely agreed. The idea that anyone is saying they somehow don't is crass and the offence I've taken to that will sadly come through in this post. I am reflecting today, I'm currently listening to Vanessa Feltz on LBC reflecting on COVID with tears in my eyes, and I'm reflecting on how me and my family went through the pandemic.
It doesn't make your comment any less stupid or tasteless. That person wasn't asking why there should be a day of reflection as your post claimed, they were saying they'd rather forget. A lot of soldiers, to use your pig eared analogy, preferred to keep quiet and forget the trauma of war.
Your problem is you have a big mouth and a small brain. Try actually reading what people are saying rather than being so focused on the agenda you want to get out there.
I'm going to go and reflect now... Maybe you should do more reflecting and less projecting.
What is it you’re really angry about? Weird person.
Good question, but no need for name calling.
Have you read their posts?
Ah yes, I've gone back and read it. I see where you're coming from now, although I'm not condoning any name calling. It's clear Husksris started it with a very nasty post. Apologies for missing that, and I look forward to seeing his apology to ME14addick.
Whilst I certainly don't tend to listen to the conspiracists, the whole period shone a massive light on the true intentions of those who run our country (and those who run the world). I don't think I can ever forgive those who were in power at that time for the way they carried on.
Very strange days indeed. I recall being very anxious about every little thing I was reading in the news, on WhatsApp, social media etc. Felt like something out of a disaster movie.
Sadly also lost a couple of friends/colleagues in the first wave - within the first few weeks actually. That just multiplied the worry immediately. Had to watch one funeral through an online feed due to the gathering restrictions. Very surreal experience.
My girlfriend and I hadn't lived together at that point, and made the decision about an hour after Boris Johnson's 'stay home' announcement to move in together. I'd never lived with a partner before in my life, and here it was happening at about an hour's notice not knowing if/when we'd see each other otherwise. She literally packed a few bags and came down that night. Glad to say we're still together!
Made a conscious decision around middle of 2021 that whatever came next I'd really go out of my way to get something back from life. I went out as much as possible, travelled everywhere, went to the World Cup, made new mates, did every away game I could etc. The years from 2021-present have been some of the best of my life.
Whilst it was a huge character building experience, I'd never ever want to go through it again.
I was one of the lucky ones. First wave March21st 2020. Reading this thread this evening I have choked up and had a quivering bottom lip a couple of times as I Iook back and reflect what I and many others went through. It has brought my nightmare three week stay in ICU flooding back…..Christ I was so lucky, 4 conditions I was treated for, all of which had I not recovered from would have seen the end of me. Have come across one or two people who genuinely believe it was all one big scam, just because they were fortunate enough not to have been infected. They brag about how they carried on as normal and took no precautions, as if they knew best, they were just f'ing lucky …..the silly gormless bastards haven’t got a clue. I came out of hospital being half the man that went in and the damage done to my lungs and sense of balance will never be the same again.😢 I had one of them suggest I just had a nasty dose of flu….that was all, nothing to worry about……….if only, if only.😵💫
I saw a short piece on the BBC about the coach driver who had to pick up the passengers from the airport who were on the flight back from Italy. He had no mask on but behind him were specialist medical people in full hazmat suits.
Have had Covid twice and still think that I have lingering symptoms/ effects from it.
I don’t think being a miserable sod is an effect of having had Covid 😂
To me the biggest failing is that we still don't have a policy for the next epidemic. The ridiculously long running and expensive enquiry seems more preoccupied with trying to pass blame, and because it's such a long time ago, the main names are long out of power anyway. What we need to understand, is based on the experiences here and around the world in comparative countries, what the best practices were, in saving the maximum number of lives, protecting key workers, minimising damage to children's education, minimising the damage to the economy etc
Do we have a general lockdown? Will schools close down? Will we be compelled to wear masks straight away, how should care homes be better protected? Indeed will society accept lockdowns again? Can governments even afford another general lockdown, as the cost of the furlough scheme has left us with massive amounts of extra public debt, with little scope for additional massive borrowing. There is a generation of damaged schoolchildren, who've lost vital years of social interaction.
There's no easy answer to most of these questions. And chances are we'll prepare for the wrong epidemic anyway.
I honestly believed that our Seb saved the lives of many Charlton fans. His passing was so tragic. The only consolation from it was that it shook many Addicks into taking Covid seriously.
Personally I’d rather forget it than reflect on it . Dark days that hopefully we won’t see again .
This is a day for those who have lost loved ones to remember the sacrifice many made whilst looking after others. So many healthcare workers lost their lives or have been permanently affected, in the line of duty.
We have Remembrance Day every November to remember those who gave their lives that others could be free, this is no different.
It is though... People gave their freedom so others could live and sadly many died... It's completely different in about a dozen other ways too. Really don't appreciate that kind of comparison.
I know it's your whole raison d'etre and all that but it just isn't true. It's terrible what happened but it's not comparable.
Many healthcare workers did give their lives looking after others, some moved out if family homes so that they didn't infect their loved ones. Many died and many have been unable to work since. They went to work even though they were not properly protected with adequate ppe.
You ought to listen to the evidence given by Dr Kevin Fong at the Covid Inquiry last year. He spoke of seeing colleagues wearing nappies, so that they didn't have to take toilet breaks and could therefore continue to look after sick patients.
I think a day of reflecting on what those brave health care-workers did is not too much to ask.
You're literally reverting to type and completely ignoring what I've actually said... What the healthcare workers did was amazing. Comparing it to Remembrance day is at best idiotic and at worst tasteless.
I'll leave it there because I don't think this is a fair fight...
Somebody was questioning the need for a day of reflection, I gave reasons why that might be.
I watched some of the bereaved families attending some of the services that were shown on tv this morning, they deserve a day of reflection. Citing people 'giving up their freedom so that others could live' I find pretty tasteless, it doesn't come anywhere close to losing a loved one.
Again I really don't want to get into this as clearly you are troubled by what has happened to the extent it has become a defining part of your character, a long running tedium in this forum that we don't need to argue about.
They deserve a day of reflection, completely agreed. The idea that anyone is saying they somehow don't is crass and the offence I've taken to that will sadly come through in this post. I am reflecting today, I'm currently listening to Vanessa Feltz on LBC reflecting on COVID with tears in my eyes, and I'm reflecting on how me and my family went through the pandemic.
It doesn't make your comment any less stupid or tasteless. That person wasn't asking why there should be a day of reflection as your post claimed, they were saying they'd rather forget. A lot of soldiers, to use your pig eared analogy, preferred to keep quiet and forget the trauma of war.
Your problem is you have a big mouth and a small brain. Try actually reading what people are saying rather than being so focused on the agenda you want to get out there.
I'm going to go and reflect now... Maybe you should do more reflecting and less projecting.
I think you're out of line here. She might not have put her point across particularly well, but this is a nasty, aggressive response - and doesn't reflect well on you.
That's rich coming from you considering some of your comments during Covid.
It's like it never happened. People coughing on public transport, not keeping a distance. The whole being kind thing down the shitter. If it wasn't for the increase in conspiracy theory cranks you wouldn't be able to tell the difference from 2019.
I know a couple of conspiracy theory cranks and they are getting more bonkers by the day.
Listening to some of the crap they come out with is hilarious.
Hilarious but concerning.
I had a 'discussion' with someone who posted on Facebook 'that contagion doesn't exist' and she quoted some woman who has written a book on the subject. I Googled the woman and it turns out that she is an accountant, with no medical training whatsoever. Unfortunately they walk among us.
On one hand I lost my Nan, had she received the Covid Jab just a bit quicker she'd probably have survived and I know my Mum has to live with the fact she couldn't travel down to see her and say her Goodbye's - Not to mention that applied to countless others, who lost loved ones
On the flipside, on the selfish note... Covid is probably one of the best things to have happened for me on a personal note.
I now work from home, dont have to deal with the stress of the commute, or deal with the financial side of it
I see my Son so much more than pre-Covid, and so our relationship is so much better... It makes the School run so straightforward, no concerns about who'll pick him up, and who might have to leave work early to do so etc... Plus I get to help out at Beaver Scouts so have that with him too.
It got me back into Photography, which is a huge mental release for me
Doubt none of this would have happened without Covid coming along, so yeah... Like I say... Real mixed emotions. Dont get me wrong though, I dont pretend as though its been a benefit for everyone... Not in the slightest... I'm just one of the "Lucky" ones
On one hand I lost my Nan, had she received the Covid Jab just a bit quicker she'd probably have survived and I know my Mum has to live with the fact she couldn't travel down to see her and say her Goodbye's - Not to mention that applied to countless others, who lost loved ones
On the flipside, on the selfish note... Covid is probably one of the best things to have happened for me on a personal note.
I now work from home, dont have to deal with the stress of the commute, or deal with the financial side of it
I see my Son so much more than pre-Covid, and so our relationship is so much better... It makes the School run so straightforward, no concerns about who'll pick him up, and who might have to leave work early to do so etc... Plus I get to help out at Beaver Scouts so have that with him too.
It got me back into Photography, which is a huge mental release for me
Doubt none of this would have happened without Covid coming along, so yeah... Like I say... Real mixed emotions. Dont get me wrong though, I dont pretend as though its been a benefit for everyone... Not in the slightest... I'm just one of the "Lucky" ones
Yeah it’s funny, my wife and I were talking about this yesterday. Just in terms of our own experience we look back with rose tinted glasses on the first lockdown (the ones that followed were rubbish) and they felt kind of novel, interesting times to be living though. The weather was lovely and we’re fortunate to have a garden. There also seemed to be a bit of a blitz spirit and camaraderie in the nation (and maybe even across the world) that was fairly unique.
When I really think about however, those memories exclude the feeling of dread that the economy would collapse and we’d be left destitute, the interminable Zoom calls with friends and family which quickly became a real drag, state sanctioned walks, football taking place in empty stadiums and then all the weird rules that inhibited the times between lock downs (having to order a scotch egg with your pint or whatever).
Of course this rose tinted view of the first lockdown down also doesn’t include the perspectives of the hundreds of thousands of people who had or who’s loved ones had serious covid, which fortunately we didn’t experience, it also doesn’t include the experiences of our amazing NHS and key workers who kept our world turning at enormous cost to themselves and their well being.
There was a group of about 25 Covid deniers/antivaxers protesting in the central gardens in the town centre yesterday.
Ignoring the insensitivity of choosing yesterday, of all days, to push their crackpot idiology onto the general public, which would include people who had lost loved ones to a disease they claim does not exist, it was striking how many other conspiracy theories these loons were signed up to.
The materials they were giving out, or on display, were all about the evils of the WEF, or the net zero con, or the government tracking you if you don't use cash only, etc. I didn't see any contrails guff in the short time I could be bothered to give their nonsense, but I'm sure it was there or I could have found someone to explain how we're all being sprayed with mind controlling drugs every day.
It was basically conspiracy theory bingo but the shocking thing was that all of them seemed of pensionable age or above. The group most at risk of death during the pandemic. Yet, somehow, in my view through the propaganda and manipulation of bad faith actors and a need to be "different", "better informed" or something, they've become convinced not only of the dangers of vaccines but completely paranoid and signed up to multiple other discredited and dangerous ways of thinking and acting.
I'm sure that everyone would agree that they would not want a situation where lockdown is necessary in the future. I believe that it was necessary in the Covid 19 pandemic as there was no vaccine and people were dying in their thousands. The lockdown came at least 2 weeks too late and the virus spread extensively, leading to the unnecessary death of far too many people.
Many decisions were taken because of the lack of preparedness in the UK. It was known right at the beginning that the SAS-Cov2 virus was probably airborne. Documents exhibited at the Covid Inquiry, showed that SARS Cov-1 was a High Consequence Infectious Disease (HCID) of an airborne nature. Sars Cov-2 should therefore have been treated as such, with those on the front line being equipped with ppe that was capable of reducing the likelihood of infection. Instead the narrative from those in charge was that it was spread by droplets and was not spread through people breathing out virus particles. The guidance was changed to suit the spread by droplets narrative, because there was not enough of the high quality ppe necessary to keep health workers staff.
At the Covid Inquiry, numerous experts in the field of virus transmissions gave evidence on how to reduce the spread of infection, the effectiveness of certain types of mask against the spread of airborne pathogens. The blue FRSM masks were shown to be better than nothing, but not very effective at stopping the spread of airborne pathogens. FFP2 and FFP3 masks were shown to be effective, with the latter being the best protection. To the amazement of all present in the courtroom, Dr Lisa Ritchie, National Deputy Director of Infection Control & Prevention at the NHS, still stuck to the line that SARS Cov-2 was spread by droplets, no doubt to cover her back, as she was one of those denying the airborne nature of the virus. It's not hard to see why our hospitals were so full of people with viruses this winter, the rate of nosocomial infections in UK hospitals is very high.
Nobody wants to see lockdowns in the future, but in order to make sure that they aren't necessary, we need to take action now. There was plenty of evidence given at the Covid Inquiry, that good ventilation and air filtration in public buildings, can drastically reduce the chances of pathogens being breathed in. By installing such systems now, it would reduce the likelihood of schools having to close in future pandemics. Attendance in schools has been way down on what it should be, with most absences due to illness.
Instead of people pushing back on any mitigations at all, there needs to be recognition that by making some changes, life can continue as normal. Nobody wants to see people being unable to say goodbye to loved ones who have died, but if they had been equipped with high quality ppe, they could have visited before they died. Nobody wants to see schools closed, but a recognition that with small changes, life can continue pretty much as normal in a pandemic.
There was a group of about 25 Covid deniers/antivaxers protesting in the central gardens in the town centre yesterday.
Ignoring the insensitivity of choosing yesterday, of all days, to push their crackpot idiology onto the general public, which would include people who had lost loved ones to a disease they claim does not exist, it was striking how many other conspiracy theories these loons were signed up to.
The materials they were giving out, or on display, were all about the evils of the WEF, or the net zero con, or the government tracking you if you don't use cash only, etc. I didn't see any contrails guff in the short time I could be bothered to give their nonsense, but I'm sure it was there or I could have found someone to explain how we're all being sprayed with mind controlling drugs every day.
It was basically conspiracy theory bingo but the shocking thing was that all of them seemed of pensionable age or above. The group most at risk of death during the pandemic. Yet, somehow, in my view through the propaganda and manipulation of bad faith actors and a need to be "different", "better informed" or something, they've become convinced not only of the dangers of vaccines but completely paranoid and signed up to multiple other discredited and dangerous ways of thinking and acting.
Gawd knows where it ends.
These people are so far down the conspiracy theory rabbit hole and can't see their way out. They were out in force on social media yesterday, promoting the idea that we are all being controlled and that those of us who don't subscribe to their crack pot theories are acting as sheep. It's incredibly disrespectful to all those who have lost loved ones to Covid.
I saw a short piece on the BBC about the coach driver who had to pick up the passengers from the airport who were on the flight back from Italy. He had no mask on but behind him were specialist medical people in full hazmat suits.
Have had Covid twice and still think that I have lingering symptoms/ effects from it.
There was a group of about 25 Covid deniers/antivaxers protesting in the central gardens in the town centre yesterday.
Ignoring the insensitivity of choosing yesterday, of all days, to push their crackpot idiology onto the general public, which would include people who had lost loved ones to a disease they claim does not exist, it was striking how many other conspiracy theories these loons were signed up to.
The materials they were giving out, or on display, were all about the evils of the WEF, or the net zero con, or the government tracking you if you don't use cash only, etc. I didn't see any contrails guff in the short time I could be bothered to give their nonsense, but I'm sure it was there or I could have found someone to explain how we're all being sprayed with mind controlling drugs every day.
It was basically conspiracy theory bingo but the shocking thing was that all of them seemed of pensionable age or above. The group most at risk of death during the pandemic. Yet, somehow, in my view through the propaganda and manipulation of bad faith actors and a need to be "different", "better informed" or something, they've become convinced not only of the dangers of vaccines but completely paranoid and signed up to multiple other discredited and dangerous ways of thinking and acting.
Gawd knows where it ends.
The one that pisses me off is "Long Covid is just vaccine side effects". No it fucking isn't. It's five years practically to the day since I caught Covid, and while I was luckier than SoundAs that the initial infection was more like an incredibly heavy cold with added severe breathlessness when doing anything remotely interesting like walking to the toilet or unloading the dishwasher, my symptoms gradually got worse until it got to the point where it hurt to breathe normally. Then the evil headaches started, and while some heavy duty anti-inflammatories sorted those out, I still get weird nerve issues on that side of my head occasionally. At that point, the vaccine wasn't even in testing, let alone being rolled out to people of my age group.
Five years on, some things are better, and some are worse. While the breathlessness is not as bad, it still limits what I can do, and I get faint if I have to stand up for too long. I also have to build in pre-activity and post-activity rest periods or I will completely wipe myself out. It may be a coincidence, but I've also developed a couple of new chronic conditions since covid too. The bit that pisses me off most is the cognitive stuff - my spelling and typing have completely gone to shit, as has my working memory, and I have trouble with names and even just general word selection. It all feels a bit like wading through treacle while the sands of thought run through my fingers.
There was a group of about 25 Covid deniers/antivaxers protesting in the central gardens in the town centre yesterday.
Ignoring the insensitivity of choosing yesterday, of all days, to push their crackpot idiology onto the general public, which would include people who had lost loved ones to a disease they claim does not exist, it was striking how many other conspiracy theories these loons were signed up to.
The materials they were giving out, or on display, were all about the evils of the WEF, or the net zero con, or the government tracking you if you don't use cash only, etc. I didn't see any contrails guff in the short time I could be bothered to give their nonsense, but I'm sure it was there or I could have found someone to explain how we're all being sprayed with mind controlling drugs every day.
It was basically conspiracy theory bingo but the shocking thing was that all of them seemed of pensionable age or above. The group most at risk of death during the pandemic. Yet, somehow, in my view through the propaganda and manipulation of bad faith actors and a need to be "different", "better informed" or something, they've become convinced not only of the dangers of vaccines but completely paranoid and signed up to multiple other discredited and dangerous ways of thinking and acting.
Gawd knows where it ends.
These people are so far down the conspiracy theory rabbit hole and can't see their way out. They were out in force on social media yesterday, promoting the idea that we are all being controlled and that those of us who don't subscribe to their crack pot theories are acting as sheep. It's incredibly disrespectful to all those who have lost loved ones to Covid.
I appreciate you have opinions on this and that this thread is a crusade for you. But ‘These people’ are also entitled to their opinions, whether you like it or not. Your whole premise is that what you think has to be fact, so everyone else is wrong. The science now provided clearly shows it was not the ‘Black Plague’ that was touted to threaten civilization. Notwithstanding it could be and in some cases was, unfortunately fatal to those with pre-existing respiratory and other health issues.
Your comparison of the millions sacrificed in the wars to your imaginary Armageddon of health care workers, renders your agenda not only risible but completely incredible.
There was a group of about 25 Covid deniers/antivaxers protesting in the central gardens in the town centre yesterday.
Ignoring the insensitivity of choosing yesterday, of all days, to push their crackpot idiology onto the general public, which would include people who had lost loved ones to a disease they claim does not exist, it was striking how many other conspiracy theories these loons were signed up to.
The materials they were giving out, or on display, were all about the evils of the WEF, or the net zero con, or the government tracking you if you don't use cash only, etc. I didn't see any contrails guff in the short time I could be bothered to give their nonsense, but I'm sure it was there or I could have found someone to explain how we're all being sprayed with mind controlling drugs every day.
It was basically conspiracy theory bingo but the shocking thing was that all of them seemed of pensionable age or above. The group most at risk of death during the pandemic. Yet, somehow, in my view through the propaganda and manipulation of bad faith actors and a need to be "different", "better informed" or something, they've become convinced not only of the dangers of vaccines but completely paranoid and signed up to multiple other discredited and dangerous ways of thinking and acting.
Gawd knows where it ends.
The one that pisses me off is "Long Covid is just vaccine side effects". No it fucking isn't. It's five years practically to the day since I caught Covid, and while I was luckier than SoundAs that the initial infection was more like an incredibly heavy cold with added severe breathlessness when doing anything remotely interesting like walking to the toilet or unloading the dishwasher, my symptoms gradually got worse until it got to the point where it hurt to breathe normally. Then the evil headaches started, and while some heavy duty anti-inflammatories sorted those out, I still get weird nerve issues on that side of my head occasionally. At that point, the vaccine wasn't even in testing, let alone being rolled out to people of my age group.
Five years on, some things are better, and some are worse. While the breathlessness is not as bad, it still limits what I can do, and I get faint if I have to stand up for too long. I also have to build in pre-activity and post-activity rest periods or I will completely wipe myself out. It may be a coincidence, but I've also developed a couple of new chronic conditions since covid too. The bit that pisses me off most is the cognitive stuff - my spelling and typing have completely gone to shit, as has my working memory, and I have trouble with names and even just general word selection. It all feels a bit like wading through treacle while the sands of thought run through my fingers.
Well... you do a great job on here considering all that
There was a group of about 25 Covid deniers/antivaxers protesting in the central gardens in the town centre yesterday.
Ignoring the insensitivity of choosing yesterday, of all days, to push their crackpot idiology onto the general public, which would include people who had lost loved ones to a disease they claim does not exist, it was striking how many other conspiracy theories these loons were signed up to.
The materials they were giving out, or on display, were all about the evils of the WEF, or the net zero con, or the government tracking you if you don't use cash only, etc. I didn't see any contrails guff in the short time I could be bothered to give their nonsense, but I'm sure it was there or I could have found someone to explain how we're all being sprayed with mind controlling drugs every day.
It was basically conspiracy theory bingo but the shocking thing was that all of them seemed of pensionable age or above. The group most at risk of death during the pandemic. Yet, somehow, in my view through the propaganda and manipulation of bad faith actors and a need to be "different", "better informed" or something, they've become convinced not only of the dangers of vaccines but completely paranoid and signed up to multiple other discredited and dangerous ways of thinking and acting.
Gawd knows where it ends.
These people are so far down the conspiracy theory rabbit hole and can't see their way out. They were out in force on social media yesterday, promoting the idea that we are all being controlled and that those of us who don't subscribe to their crack pot theories are acting as sheep. It's incredibly disrespectful to all those who have lost loved ones to Covid.
I appreciate you have opinions on this and that this thread is a crusade for you. But ‘These people’ are also entitled to their opinions, whether you like it or not. Your whole premise is that what you think has to be fact, so everyone else is wrong. The science now provided clearly shows it was not the ‘Black Plague’ that was touted to threaten civilization. Notwithstanding it could be and in some cases was, unfortunately fatal to those with pre-existing respiratory and other health issues.
Your comparison of the millions sacrificed in the wars to your imaginary Armageddon of health care workers, renders your agenda not only risible but completely incredible.
Prove me wrong.
The Covid Day of reflection was a day for people to remember loved ones lost after getting a dangerous virus, many of whom did give their lives looking after others.
The UK provides an instructive- and worrisome- case study. Long-term sick leave numbers were relatively stable at around 2.2 million from 2000 to Q1 2020. But- surprise, surprise- as of today, recent figures put the number at just under 2.8 million, or an increase of 27% in five years. These are not people too lazy to work, but Covid has left them unable to do so. They are not all old people and those with existing health conditions, Covid infection can harm anyone, children as well/. 119,000 children have Long Covid in the UK.
In September at the Covid Inquiry there was a whole module on the effects of the pandemic on healthcare workers so you could look at that for the proof you require, but the most poignant was the testimony of Prof. Kevin Fong, a world leading consultant in emergency medicine. His words had the whole court room in tears:
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I had someone almost justify Sebs death to me however the way I see it is you do not do the volume of games and the sort of games of you are critically ill. I blow out games for light drizzle nowadays so I'm hardly one to talk but poor Seb and my dear old Aunt were victims in that horrible first wave.
I knew things would go back to the way they were and predictably they have. Thankfully I changed jobs relatively early into things and went back on the tools and appreciated being able to be out in the world but also got to witness humanity at its worst.
Very strange days indeed. I recall being very anxious about every little thing I was reading in the news, on WhatsApp, social media etc. Felt like something out of a disaster movie.
Sadly also lost a couple of friends/colleagues in the first wave - within the first few weeks actually. That just multiplied the worry immediately. Had to watch one funeral through an online feed due to the gathering restrictions. Very surreal experience.
My girlfriend and I hadn't lived together at that point, and made the decision about an hour after Boris Johnson's 'stay home' announcement to move in together. I'd never lived with a partner before in my life, and here it was happening at about an hour's notice not knowing if/when we'd see each other otherwise. She literally packed a few bags and came down that night. Glad to say we're still together!
Made a conscious decision around middle of 2021 that whatever came next I'd really go out of my way to get something back from life. I went out as much as possible, travelled everywhere, went to the World Cup, made new mates, did every away game I could etc. The years from 2021-present have been some of the best of my life.
Whilst it was a huge character building experience, I'd never ever want to go through it again.
First wave March21st 2020.
Reading this thread this evening I have choked up and had a quivering bottom lip a couple of times as I Iook back and reflect what I and many others went through.
It has brought my nightmare three week stay in ICU flooding back…..Christ I was so lucky, 4 conditions I was treated for, all of which had I not recovered from would have seen the end of me.
Have come across one or two people who genuinely believe it was all one big scam, just because they were fortunate enough not to have been infected.
They brag about how they carried on as normal and took no precautions, as if they knew best, they were just f'ing lucky …..the silly gormless bastards haven’t got a clue.
I came out of hospital being half the man that went in and the damage done to my lungs and sense of balance will never be the same again.😢
I had one of them suggest I just had a nasty dose of flu….that was all, nothing to worry about……….if only, if only.😵💫
Do we have a general lockdown? Will schools close down? Will we be compelled to wear masks straight away, how should care homes be better protected? Indeed will society accept lockdowns again? Can governments even afford another general lockdown, as the cost of the furlough scheme has left us with massive amounts of extra public debt, with little scope for additional massive borrowing. There is a generation of damaged schoolchildren, who've lost vital years of social interaction.
There's no easy answer to most of these questions. And chances are we'll prepare for the wrong epidemic anyway.
RIP, Sebbo, one of our own.
On one hand I lost my Nan, had she received the Covid Jab just a bit quicker she'd probably have survived and I know my Mum has to live with the fact she couldn't travel down to see her and say her Goodbye's - Not to mention that applied to countless others, who lost loved ones
On the flipside, on the selfish note... Covid is probably one of the best things to have happened for me on a personal note.
- I now work from home, dont have to deal with the stress of the commute, or deal with the financial side of it
- I see my Son so much more than pre-Covid, and so our relationship is so much better... It makes the School run so straightforward, no concerns about who'll pick him up, and who might have to leave work early to do so etc... Plus I get to help out at Beaver Scouts so have that with him too.
- It got me back into Photography, which is a huge mental release for me
Doubt none of this would have happened without Covid coming along, so yeah... Like I say... Real mixed emotions. Dont get me wrong though, I dont pretend as though its been a benefit for everyone... Not in the slightest... I'm just one of the "Lucky" onesIgnoring the insensitivity of choosing yesterday, of all days, to push their crackpot idiology onto the general public, which would include people who had lost loved ones to a disease they claim does not exist, it was striking how many other conspiracy theories these loons were signed up to.
The materials they were giving out, or on display, were all about the evils of the WEF, or the net zero con, or the government tracking you if you don't use cash only, etc. I didn't see any contrails guff in the short time I could be bothered to give their nonsense, but I'm sure it was there or I could have found someone to explain how we're all being sprayed with mind controlling drugs every day.
It was basically conspiracy theory bingo but the shocking thing was that all of them seemed of pensionable age or above. The group most at risk of death during the pandemic. Yet, somehow, in my view through the propaganda and manipulation of bad faith actors and a need to be "different", "better informed" or something, they've become convinced not only of the dangers of vaccines but completely paranoid and signed up to multiple other discredited and dangerous ways of thinking and acting.
Gawd knows where it ends.
Many decisions were taken because of the lack of preparedness in the UK. It was known right at the beginning that the SAS-Cov2 virus was probably airborne. Documents exhibited at the Covid Inquiry, showed that SARS Cov-1 was a High Consequence Infectious Disease (HCID) of an airborne nature. Sars Cov-2 should therefore have been treated as such, with those on the front line being equipped with ppe that was capable of reducing the likelihood of infection. Instead the narrative from those in charge was that it was spread by droplets and was not spread through people breathing out virus particles. The guidance was changed to suit the spread by droplets narrative, because there was not enough of the high quality ppe necessary to keep health workers staff.
At the Covid Inquiry, numerous experts in the field of virus transmissions gave evidence on how to reduce the spread of infection, the effectiveness of certain types of mask against the spread of airborne pathogens. The blue FRSM masks were shown to be better than nothing, but not very effective at stopping the spread of airborne pathogens. FFP2 and FFP3 masks were shown to be effective, with the latter being the best protection. To the amazement of all present in the courtroom, Dr Lisa Ritchie, National Deputy Director of Infection Control & Prevention at the NHS, still stuck to the line that SARS Cov-2 was spread by droplets, no doubt to cover her back, as she was one of those denying the airborne nature of the virus. It's not hard to see why our hospitals were so full of people with viruses this winter, the rate of nosocomial infections in UK hospitals is very high.
Nobody wants to see lockdowns in the future, but in order to make sure that they aren't necessary, we need to take action now. There was plenty of evidence given at the Covid Inquiry, that good ventilation and air filtration in public buildings, can drastically reduce the chances of pathogens being breathed in. By installing such systems now, it would reduce the likelihood of schools having to close in future pandemics. Attendance in schools has been way down on what it should be, with most absences due to illness.
Instead of people pushing back on any mitigations at all, there needs to be recognition that by making some changes, life can continue as normal. Nobody wants to see people being unable to say goodbye to loved ones who have died, but if they had been equipped with high quality ppe, they could have visited before they died. Nobody wants to see schools closed, but a recognition that with small changes, life can continue pretty much as normal in a pandemic.
But ‘These people’ are also entitled to their opinions, whether you like it or not.
Your whole premise is that what you think has to be fact, so everyone else is wrong.
The science now provided clearly shows it was not the ‘Black Plague’ that was touted to threaten civilization.
Notwithstanding it could be and in some cases was, unfortunately fatal to those with pre-existing respiratory and other health issues.
Your comparison of the millions sacrificed in the wars to your imaginary Armageddon of health care workers, renders your agenda not only risible but completely incredible.
I could give you hundreds of links to scientific studies of the whole body harm that a Covid infection can have, but this is a good place to start as any as it brings together a lot of those studies:
https://www.panaccindex.info/p/what-covid-19-does-to-the-body-sixth
This article sums up the problems of misinformation and the spiralling costs of healthcare.
As sick leave costs spiral, European states move to cut benefits
The UK provides an instructive- and worrisome- case study. Long-term sick leave numbers were relatively stable at around 2.2 million from 2000 to Q1 2020. But- surprise, surprise- as of today, recent figures put the number at just under 2.8 million, or an increase of 27% in five years. These are not people too lazy to work, but Covid has left them unable to do so. They are not all old people and those with existing health conditions, Covid infection can harm anyone, children as well/. 119,000 children have Long Covid in the UK.
More reflections on the last five years:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/mar/09/covid-five-years-right-narrative-outbreak
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/5-years-covid-declared-public-health-emergency-killing/story?id=118316756
In September at the Covid Inquiry there was a whole module on the effects of the pandemic on healthcare workers so you could look at that for the proof you require, but the most poignant was the testimony of Prof. Kevin Fong, a world leading consultant in emergency medicine. His words had the whole court room in tears:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz9py388z17o