If we are in the play offs, whichever team we get we should match the away allocation they give us so that if they only give us say 1,200 tickets for their ground then that’s the number we should give them for the Valley.
It's a fair point but it's not the fault of teams like Stockport and Wycombe that their grounds are tiny and they can only offer those numbers to away fans.
More a reflection that we shouldn't be stuck in this division.
So, because a club has got a tiny ground they get to restrict us to around 1,000 fans to back the team when we go to them but they can bring over 3k to back their team when they play at The Valley ? Beats me why we don’t let them have a goal start as well if they are a smaller club than Charlton.
In the play offs, if we sell the rest of the ground then we can decide to give them only half the away end, like we did in 2019
The home leg being the second one ought to be beneficial, but then in 2019 we won in Doncaster and lost at home, resulting in penalties.
Being at home definitely helped us in the shootout but then Liverpool lost their shootout at home last week.
Something that I have always though was strange is that if a game goes into extra time then the home team has an advantage, which is not the same for the away team who had home advantage in the 1st leg. Nothing that can be done about it unless the game goes straight to pens.....but it has always made me think that this is another advantage of playing the 2nd leg at home - an extra 30 mins on front of the home fans.
It's an advantage you get for coming 3rd or 4th in the playoffs rather than 6th or 5th
If we are in the play offs, whichever team we get we should match the away allocation they give us so that if they only give us say 1,200 tickets for their ground then that’s the number we should give them for the Valley.
It's a fair point but it's not the fault of teams like Stockport and Wycombe that their grounds are tiny and they can only offer those numbers to away fans.
More a reflection that we shouldn't be stuck in this division.
So, because a club has got a tiny ground they get to restrict us to around 1,000 fans to back the team when we go to them but they can bring over 3k to back their team when they play at The Valley ? Beats me why we don’t let them have a goal start as well if they are a smaller club than Charlton.
Not sure if you're on a wind up but yes obviously. A team with a 10k capacity are not going to give us 3k tickets are they? And going the other way, if we got Bolton in the play offs they would give us a lot more than 1k.
But a better way to look at this is a % of capacity. The JS stand is about 12% of our capacity. In comparison we've just been given 1800 tickets for the league game at Wycombe next month which is around 15% of their capacity.
Wycombe have a grim up north away game at Rotherham this evening. It is their game in hand over us.
They're going to get another game in hand on us too, as they dont play on the weekend
If WW lose tonight and we win on Saturday then yes, they will have a game in hand on us again, but the difference will be that they will be below us. Psychologically that makes a big difference.
Already thinking of where to watch the Playoff Final ... but will be in NY - any early advice welcome.
Book a flight back.
I am in Lisbon for a 4 night lads jaunt on the first play off semi final leg and thinking of flying home for one night just for that! Trouble is I am unlikely to know until the end of the season where that will even be played !!
We are now one of only four teams that can, realistically, finish second and that really does demonstrate how far we have come. Lord knows what would have been said had the thread been entitled at the outset "Will We Make Automatic Promotion?"
The home leg being the second one ought to be beneficial, but then in 2019 we won in Doncaster and lost at home, resulting in penalties.
Being at home definitely helped us in the shootout but then Liverpool lost their shootout at home last week.
Something that I have always though was strange is that if a game goes into extra time then the home team has an advantage, which is not the same for the away team who had home advantage in the 1st leg. Nothing that can be done about it unless the game goes straight to pens.....but it has always made me think that this is another advantage of playing the 2nd leg at home - an extra 30 mins on front of the home fans.
Is it strange? The team that finishes higher gets the advantage of the second leg at home and potentially extra time + pens in front of their own fans.
We are now one of only four teams that can, realistically, finish second and that really does demonstrate how far we have come. Lord knows what would have been said had the thread been entitled at the outset "Will We Make Automatic Promotion?"
A lot can happen in two months of football. Not picking on @Oh Eddie Youds... deliberately but one of the first posts on this thread said it looked very unlikely that Birmingham, Wycombe, Wrexham, Huddersfield or Barnsley would fall out of the top 6.
The latter two did, and both have sacked their managers for it.
Now you’d say the same thing but replace Huddersfield and Barnsley with Charlton and Stockport. Now Huddersfield are the ones on the outside looking in, with Bolton, Reading and Orient also chasing 6th. Even worse, Barnsley are all but guaranteed to finish 9th to 12th now.
The home leg being the second one ought to be beneficial, but then in 2019 we won in Doncaster and lost at home, resulting in penalties.
Being at home definitely helped us in the shootout but then Liverpool lost their shootout at home last week.
Something that I have always though was strange is that if a game goes into extra time then the home team has an advantage, which is not the same for the away team who had home advantage in the 1st leg. Nothing that can be done about it unless the game goes straight to pens.....but it has always made me think that this is another advantage of playing the 2nd leg at home - an extra 30 mins on front of the home fans.
It's an advantage you get for coming 3rd or 4th in the playoffs rather than 6th or 5th
But what about any other 2-legged tie ? FA Cup or Champions League matches for example. They aren't "position" based. In fact, the FA Cup is even more unfair. Games this season that have gone straight to Extra Time & then penalties have massively favoured the home team, which doesn't help a small team facing a much larger one - say Lincoln away to Liverpool.
I know nothing can be done about and I'm just musing that having extra time after a 2--leg tie massively favours the team at home in the 2nd leg.
The home leg being the second one ought to be beneficial, but then in 2019 we won in Doncaster and lost at home, resulting in penalties.
Being at home definitely helped us in the shootout but then Liverpool lost their shootout at home last week.
Something that I have always though was strange is that if a game goes into extra time then the home team has an advantage, which is not the same for the away team who had home advantage in the 1st leg. Nothing that can be done about it unless the game goes straight to pens.....but it has always made me think that this is another advantage of playing the 2nd leg at home - an extra 30 mins on front of the home fans.
It's an advantage you get for coming 3rd or 4th in the playoffs rather than 6th or 5th
But what about any other 2-legged tie ? FA Cup or Champions League matches for example. They aren't "position" based. In fact, the FA Cup is even more unfair. Games this season that have gone straight to Extra Time & then penalties have massively favoured the home team, which doesn't help a small team facing a much larger one - say Lincoln away to Liverpool.
I know nothing can be done about and I'm just musing that having extra time after a 2--leg tie massively favours the team at home in the 2nd leg.
Champions League matches are now position based on the new league format I believe
The home leg being the second one ought to be beneficial, but then in 2019 we won in Doncaster and lost at home, resulting in penalties.
Being at home definitely helped us in the shootout but then Liverpool lost their shootout at home last week.
Something that I have always though was strange is that if a game goes into extra time then the home team has an advantage, which is not the same for the away team who had home advantage in the 1st leg. Nothing that can be done about it unless the game goes straight to pens.....but it has always made me think that this is another advantage of playing the 2nd leg at home - an extra 30 mins on front of the home fans.
It's an advantage you get for coming 3rd or 4th in the playoffs rather than 6th or 5th
But what about any other 2-legged tie ? FA Cup or Champions League matches for example. They aren't "position" based. In fact, the FA Cup is even more unfair. Games this season that have gone straight to Extra Time & then penalties have massively favoured the home team, which doesn't help a small team facing a much larger one - say Lincoln away to Liverpool.
I know nothing can be done about and I'm just musing that having extra time after a 2--leg tie massively favours the team at home in the 2nd leg.
A team that finishes 3rd should have an advantage over a team that finishes 6th - and the same for 4th over 5th.
The Champions League is to an extent position based - teams that do well in the group stage get home advantage second leg in the round of 16.
I'm not sure it massively favours the home team anyway in the second leg if it goes to extra time - the pressure on the home team from the home crowd having failed to take venue advantage levels the paying field to a large degree. I agree the FA Cup is unfair to the smaller team drawn away and was never in favour of scrapping replays (at least one).
A fair way to do it would be to make it up to 7th. 3rd automatically make the final and 4th play 7th and 5th play 6th in one leg home ties. Then the highest league placed winner plays against the lowest at home to determine who plays the 3rd place side. Mind you a fair way to do it would be to promote the 3rd placed team but the play offs are a positive development and makes the league more exciting.
The home leg being the second one ought to be beneficial, but then in 2019 we won in Doncaster and lost at home, resulting in penalties.
Being at home definitely helped us in the shootout but then Liverpool lost their shootout at home last week.
Something that I have always though was strange is that if a game goes into extra time then the home team has an advantage, which is not the same for the away team who had home advantage in the 1st leg. Nothing that can be done about it unless the game goes straight to pens.....but it has always made me think that this is another advantage of playing the 2nd leg at home - an extra 30 mins on front of the home fans.
It's an advantage you get for coming 3rd or 4th in the playoffs rather than 6th or 5th
But what about any other 2-legged tie ? FA Cup or Champions League matches for example. They aren't "position" based. In fact, the FA Cup is even more unfair. Games this season that have gone straight to Extra Time & then penalties have massively favoured the home team, which doesn't help a small team facing a much larger one - say Lincoln away to Liverpool.
I know nothing can be done about and I'm just musing that having extra time after a 2--leg tie massively favours the team at home in the 2nd leg.
A team that finishes 3rd should have an advantage over a team that finishes 6th - and the same for 4th over 5th.
The Champions League is to an extent position based - teams that do well in the group stage get home advantage second leg in the round of 16.
I'm not sure it massively favours the home team anyway in the second leg if it goes to extra time - the pressure on the home team from the home crowd having failed to take venue advantage levels the paying field to a large degree. I agree the FA Cup is unfair to the smaller team drawn away and was never in favour of scrapping replays (at least one).
I quite like a playoff structure that rewards clubs that do finish 3rd and 4th over 5th and 6th. If we look. for example, at the Championship, we have a situation where Burnley in third are 21 points ahead of the side in 6th, WBA - the former has lost just 2 games all season whereas Coventry, in fifth, have lost 13 matches.
The one, specifically, that I think works better is:
3rd plays 4th and the winner automatically goes into the play off final. The loser of that tie then plays the winner of 5th versus 6th to determine who also reaches the final.
The home leg being the second one ought to be beneficial, but then in 2019 we won in Doncaster and lost at home, resulting in penalties.
Being at home definitely helped us in the shootout but then Liverpool lost their shootout at home last week.
Something that I have always though was strange is that if a game goes into extra time then the home team has an advantage, which is not the same for the away team who had home advantage in the 1st leg. Nothing that can be done about it unless the game goes straight to pens.....but it has always made me think that this is another advantage of playing the 2nd leg at home - an extra 30 mins on front of the home fans.
It's an advantage you get for coming 3rd or 4th in the playoffs rather than 6th or 5th
But what about any other 2-legged tie ? FA Cup or Champions League matches for example. They aren't "position" based. In fact, the FA Cup is even more unfair. Games this season that have gone straight to Extra Time & then penalties have massively favoured the home team, which doesn't help a small team facing a much larger one - say Lincoln away to Liverpool.
I know nothing can be done about and I'm just musing that having extra time after a 2--leg tie massively favours the team at home in the 2nd leg.
A team that finishes 3rd should have an advantage over a team that finishes 6th - and the same for 4th over 5th.
The Champions League is to an extent position based - teams that do well in the group stage get home advantage second leg in the round of 16.
I'm not sure it massively favours the home team anyway in the second leg if it goes to extra time - the pressure on the home team from the home crowd having failed to take venue advantage levels the paying field to a large degree. I agree the FA Cup is unfair to the smaller team drawn away and was never in favour of scrapping replays (at least one).
I quite like a playoff structure that rewards clubs that do finish 3rd and 4th over 5th and 6th. If we look. for example, at the Championship, we have a situation where Burnley in third are 21 points ahead of the side in 6th, WBA - the former has lost just 2 games all season whereas Coventry, in fifth, have lost 13 matches.
The one, specifically, that I think works better is:
3rd plays 4th and the winner automatically goes into the play off final. The loser of that tie then plays the winner of 5th versus 6th to determine who also reaches the final.
They used to have a similar system in the A-League a few years ago.
Top 6 after the season went into a playoff.
The first week, 3rd v 6th and 4th vs 5th.
The winner of these two games (e.g. 3rd vs 4th) then played each other the following week.
The same week you also had 1st vs 2nd.
The winner of this game went straight to the Grand Final (e.g. 1st)
The loser (e.g. 2nd) then got to play the winner of the other game (e.g. 3rd vs 4th).
And the winner of this game went to the Grand Final.
From memory, far too often 1st vs 2nd played each other again in the Grand Final and the system was later scrapped.
The home leg being the second one ought to be beneficial, but then in 2019 we won in Doncaster and lost at home, resulting in penalties.
Being at home definitely helped us in the shootout but then Liverpool lost their shootout at home last week.
Something that I have always though was strange is that if a game goes into extra time then the home team has an advantage, which is not the same for the away team who had home advantage in the 1st leg. Nothing that can be done about it unless the game goes straight to pens.....but it has always made me think that this is another advantage of playing the 2nd leg at home - an extra 30 mins on front of the home fans.
It's an advantage you get for coming 3rd or 4th in the playoffs rather than 6th or 5th
But what about any other 2-legged tie ? FA Cup or Champions League matches for example. They aren't "position" based. In fact, the FA Cup is even more unfair. Games this season that have gone straight to Extra Time & then penalties have massively favoured the home team, which doesn't help a small team facing a much larger one - say Lincoln away to Liverpool.
I know nothing can be done about and I'm just musing that having extra time after a 2--leg tie massively favours the team at home in the 2nd leg.
A team that finishes 3rd should have an advantage over a team that finishes 6th - and the same for 4th over 5th.
The Champions League is to an extent position based - teams that do well in the group stage get home advantage second leg in the round of 16.
I'm not sure it massively favours the home team anyway in the second leg if it goes to extra time - the pressure on the home team from the home crowd having failed to take venue advantage levels the paying field to a large degree. I agree the FA Cup is unfair to the smaller team drawn away and was never in favour of scrapping replays (at least one).
I quite like a playoff structure that rewards clubs that do finish 3rd and 4th over 5th and 6th. If we look. for example, at the Championship, we have a situation where Burnley in third are 21 points ahead of the side in 6th, WBA - the former has lost just 2 games all season whereas Coventry, in fifth, have lost 13 matches.
The one, specifically, that I think works better is:
3rd plays 4th and the winner automatically goes into the play off final. The loser of that tie then plays the winner of 5th versus 6th to determine who also reaches the final.
They used to have a similar system in the A-League a few years ago.
Top 6 after the season went into a playoff.
The first week, 3rd v 6th and 4th vs 5th.
The winner of these two games (e.g. 3rd vs 4th) then played each other the following week.
The same week you also had 1st vs 2nd.
The winner of this game went straight to the Grand Final (e.g. 1st)
The loser (e.g. 2nd) then got to play the winner of the other game (e.g. 3rd vs 4th).
And the winner of this game went to the Grand Final.
From memory, far too often 1st vs 2nd played each other again in the Grand Final and the system was later scrapped.
I suppose that there is a fundamental difference in the sense that, if you were to use the A-League model, you probably would end up with a Leeds v Sheffield United final more often that not simply because they are, along with Burnley, miles ahead of all the other teams. In using the model I have suggested, the top two, rightly, are automatically promoted but there is an added incentive and reward for those clubs that finish 3rd and 4th.
According to BBC reports, the Wycombe game is poor. not a single shot on target by either side at halftime. More of the same please!! Unless Rotherham can score!
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But a better way to look at this is a % of capacity. The JS stand is about 12% of our capacity. In comparison we've just been given 1800 tickets for the league game at Wycombe next month which is around 15% of their capacity.
If WW lose tonight and we win on Saturday then yes, they will have a game in hand on us again, but the difference will be that they will be below us. Psychologically that makes a big difference.
It would be an even sweeter victory if we beat Hollywood in the final.
I am in Lisbon for a 4 night lads jaunt on the first play off semi final leg and thinking of flying home for one night just for that! Trouble is I am unlikely to know until the end of the season where that will even be played !!
I really hope we go up in second!
"Charlton becoming a winning machine"
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The latter two did, and both have sacked their managers for it.
Now you’d say the same thing but replace Huddersfield and Barnsley with Charlton and Stockport. Now Huddersfield are the ones on the outside looking in, with Bolton, Reading and Orient also chasing 6th. Even worse, Barnsley are all but guaranteed to finish 9th to 12th now.
I know nothing can be done about and I'm just musing that having extra time after a 2--leg tie massively favours the team at home in the 2nd leg.
The one, specifically, that I think works better is:
3rd plays 4th and the winner automatically goes into the play off final. The loser of that tie then plays the winner of 5th versus 6th to determine who also reaches the final.
not a single shot on target by either side at halftime.
More of the same please!! Unless Rotherham can score!
;-)
They're worse than us on our baddest of dark days
Wrexham are still the ones to worry about