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  • edited April 7
    https://www.cnbc.com/2025/04/07/trump-tariffs-live-updates-stock-market-crypto.html

    Trump threatening to raise tariffs on China. He really is a complete petty lunatic... 
  • iaitch said:
    He seems to be that a trade deficit with a country is them being raped and pillaged but surely that's what trade is about. If America needs coffee it has to buy from abroad but that doesn't mean the othet country has to buy from them if they have nothing that they want.
    You have just shown yourself to be more economically competent than 100% of trump supporters 
  • FFS - the man is an imbecile.

    Trump threatens China with further tariffs published at 16:3316:33Breaking

    US President Donald Trump says he will impose additional tariffs on China, from tomorrow, if Beijing does not withdraw its 34% retaliatory tariffs on the US.

    The additional tariffs on Beijing would be of 50%, Trump says.

    As a reminder, China announced on Friday that it would be imposing such tariffs on Washington after the White House said that from 9 April it'd put 34% levies on all goods from Beijing.



  • bobmunro said:
    FFS - the man is an imbecile.

    Trump threatens China with further tariffs published at 16:3316:33Breaking

    US President Donald Trump says he will impose additional tariffs on China, from tomorrow, if Beijing does not withdraw its 34% retaliatory tariffs on the US.

    The additional tariffs on Beijing would be of 50%, Trump says.

    As a reminder, China announced on Friday that it would be imposing such tariffs on Washington after the White House said that from 9 April it'd put 34% levies on all goods from Beijing.



    I’m pretty sure the voters that elected him didn’t see what was coming. Not a chance in hell someone doesn’t put a stop to his antics before long.
    he is making Liz Truss look like an economic guru !!! 
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  • Huskaris said:
    I'm now buying the dip, or throwing more money after good, depending on your opinion! 
    Yes I've done the same and based on the last 3 hours was a shrewd move.
    But having chosen to sit tight this time after not doing so previously and regretting it, I hope the markets fully recover in the next few months.
    My portfolios have been badly hammered, despite withdrawing 30% some months ago and vastly withdrawing from the S&P.
  • edited April 7
    The biggest problem in the USA is Trump - he's surrounded by sycophants who won't challenge him. Trump has made it pretty clear he's not bothered if the markets tank and chaos ensues across the globe.

    Trump is either tanking the market on purpose or genuinely believes his economic vision will benefit the States.

    I can't see how any 'sensible' business leader or economist can support this disastrous policy. 
    There's a third option, which is far worse!

    He's doing it because he loves the attention and the power. Note his response to China setting tariffs at 34%. One can extrapolate this to any major trading partner. His people are suggesting that 50 countries have requested meetings. I mean the guy is now claiming credit for a 15% drop in oil prices FFS! A price drop of that magnitude is a sure sign of reducing demand and a forthcoming recession!

    One wonders how this will feed into both US economy and RoW, especially UK & Europe? Fortunately our interest rates are way too high at present so there's ample opportunity for the BoE to do the right thing. A 50 basis point cut wouldn't be a surprise.

    Overall the US is about 15% of our imports/exports so won't have a massive effect in that respect (unless you're in the car industry where there are 25% tariffs). But the real problem is that this turbulence affects the investment environment as well as fund values and that hurts both individuals as well as big corporates.

    Long term some suggest that things may pick up by Q3 but who knows what happens this month?! Can understand people buying the dip but very hard to say where/when the bottom is.
  • AndyG said:
    I’m pretty sure the voters that elected him didn’t see what was coming. Not a chance in hell someone doesn’t put a stop to his antics before long.
    he is making Liz Truss look like an economic guru !!!  Congress has given up its power in the US so I'm unclear how he will be stopped? The checks and balances in the US have slowly been dismantled hence why he is free to act like an authoritarian leader.

    His behaviour can hardly come as a huge shock to those around him. There is no coherent opposition in the US - business leaders are not present a united front.

    He behaves like a petulant toddler...





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  • Have a few thousand in a vanguard index fund that has dropped about £250. This is savings for my wedding in August so need the money short term, worth cutting my losses and taking it out? 
  • Have a few thousand in a vanguard index fund that has dropped about £250. This is savings for my wedding in August so need the money short term, worth cutting my losses and taking it out? 
    If you need funds in that time frame and what you have us sufficient, I'd play safe and take it out. At least you're sure you can pay for the important stuff. And £250 on a few thousand doesn't sound too disastrous, as long a few is not a couple. 
  • edited April 7
    AndyG said:
    I’m pretty sure the voters that elected him didn’t see what was coming. Not a chance in hell someone doesn’t put a stop to his antics before long.
    he is making Liz Truss look like an economic guru !!! 



    For some reason, a really good book I read a few years ago came to mind today…




  • bobmunro said:
    FFS - the man is an imbecile.

    Trump threatens China with further tariffs published at 16:3316:33Breaking

    US President Donald Trump says he will impose additional tariffs on China, from tomorrow, if Beijing does not withdraw its 34% retaliatory tariffs on the US.

    The additional tariffs on Beijing would be of 50%, Trump says.

    As a reminder, China announced on Friday that it would be imposing such tariffs on Washington after the White House said that from 9 April it'd put 34% levies on all goods from Beijing.



    Isn't 34% a reduction to the percentage on Trump's chart? Why is he increasing the tariff if they're reducing theirs'? 

    😉
  • edited April 7
    Isn't 34% a reduction to the percentage on Trump's chart? Why is he increasing the tariff if they're reducing theirs'? 

    😉 Just need to check that one...


  • I can't see this lasting for 6 months, we'll be well into another global recession. If countries don't take him up on a trade deal, Heard and McDonald islands certainly won't be attending any meetings, hopefully he should start reversing the tariffs.

    He could run over his fanatic's cats and burn their homes down and it won't change their love for him, but I wonder if the average Joe is now regretting their vote. 
    Does the average Joe even really understand or follow this stuff? 

    A big reason why he gets votes is because his campaigns tend to focus on topics ‘closer to home’ that make easy reading headlines. And his supporters will back him 100% for those things, whilst he goes and carries out nonsense decisions like this that directly impact them. 
  • I’m assuming the outcome will be some individual country negotiations so he can claim success and then a quick ish succession of other nations (even if the numbers don’t stand up to any scrutiny). 

    As long as he can strike some sort of deal with China…
  • Too much panic If I must say so. 

    Nasdaq finished in positive territory & the S&P500 only down 0.23% after being in positive territory for part of the day. 

    Not saying that the end of it all but nay sayers & doom mongers were predicting a blood bath today. 

    I'm hoping the FTSE100 to be in positive territory tomorrow.
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  • Too much panic If I must say so. 

    Nasdaq finished in positive territory & the S&P500 only down 0.23% after being in positive territory for part of the day. 

    Not saying that the end of it all but nay sayers & doom mongers were predicting a blood bath today. 

    I'm hoping the FTSE100 to be in positive territory tomorrow.
    Need to see how this pans out before making any judgements. The long term impact is impossible to predict.

    It's just guesswork at present and some panic seems inevitable. 
  • edited April 7
    Too much panic If I must say so. 

    Nasdaq finished in positive territory & the S&P500 only down 0.23% after being in positive territory for part of the day. 

    Not saying that the end of it all but nay sayers & doom mongers were predicting a blood bath today. 

    I'm hoping the FTSE100 to be in positive territory tomorrow.

    The big development tomorrow will be China's response to the threat, and from the noises tonight it would seem that they are not for being bullied. If (big if) Trump follows through with another 50% on Chinese imports then every market will be hit badly. If he doesn't, or the Chinese indicate they are ready to negotiate then I would guess we've seen the bottom of this bear market.
  • TelMc32 said:
    I’m pretty sure the voters that elected him didn’t see what was coming. Not a chance in hell someone doesn’t put a stop to his antics before long.
    he is making Liz Truss look like an economic guru !!! 



    For some reason, a really good book I read a few years ago came to mind today…




    That's a good invest opportunity, sure copies will be flying off the shelves.
  • edited April 8
    There were murmurings yesterday that he was planning on reducing tariffs for everyone except China. This was swiftly denied by the White house.
    Stinks to me that this was his plan all along. It just got leaked a couple of days earlier than he wanted/ wants it to happen.
     Just to give him and his cronies enough time to fully short the market.
  • Asian markets up this morning.

    Is this a reaction to China's hardball tactics or are people buying the dip?

    Whatever, hopefully the worst is over...for now!
  • Both FTSE's up over 1% in early trade...... let's see how long it lasts!
  • Is there not a possibility that most countries just sort out trade deals and agree on better rates, the stock markets recover and we just end up with the US and China arguing with each other?

    I ask this as someone with very little knowledge of trade wars and stock markets.

    But the FTSE 100 and 250 are up today. Nikkei is up today.
  • Is there not a possibility that most countries just sort out trade deals and agree on better rates, the stock markets recover and we just end up with the US and China arguing with each other?

    I ask this as someone with very little knowledge of trade wars and stock markets.

    But the FTSE 100 and 250 are up today. Nikkei is up today.
    The US and China are the two biggest economies in rhe world hence the reaction to these tariffs. As long as Trump remains in charge it's hard to see how the chaos will recede.

    Sucking up to Trump to try and cut a deal seems to be the only strategy at present. How long any deal lasts is another matter given how unpredictable he is.


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