What’s happened to our press and urgency? And why are we returning to hoof ball?
1. we were 2nd best to Northampton in pressing and getting knockdowns tackles etc. That is the main asset of our team , on the day Northampton were better at it.
2.Hoofball never went away, it's there every game. I was shocked that we played 2 fluent passing moves in 2nd half. Thats rare
Good call to replace McIntyre who made two big mistakes, one leading to the penalty and a miss kick back pass that we managed to survive.
I literally said to the guy next to me as McIntyre went for the falling ball, he's gonna scuff this... And boom he scuffs it. Poor player. Not sure what he adds.
Puzzled by McIntyre inclusion as well. Alex Mitchell must have turned into complete mess not to play. Also our academy players- there must be as good/better players there
Lloyd Jones was motm in the lounges and I took a pic of him with my mate and son and said he’s our player of the year but before that I harshly said he was brilliant today and most of the rest were shit . this is all too stressful, it’s the cricket season let’s go up automatically , I feel sick about Monday , it’s all just body popping . id take second spot next season in league one if it was offered to me now . nice to see The Valley busy ‘where were you when we were shit ‘ Always been a fan of Berry and Godden clever clever players . if only the boat had been pushed out a tad further in January with some proper signings than the two guff loanees we may have been nearer to automatics . I’ll never be satisfied with league one third tier crap, please release us from this footballing hell
I think Gilbert has been good to excellent in his brief outings. But doesn't suit NJ for some reason. Possibly because he doesn't have the intensity of effort, his attribute is quality of pass than others, set piece delivery etc
Kevin Nolan says the ref didn't regard the pen incident as a goal scoring opportunity.
Mmmm
Didn't Rufus do the same at the other end of the pitch years ago? ( ooh did I mention the unmentionable name)
Steve Brown's hand ball flick was at the Covered end and he went down injured and the red card was waiting for him as he went off on a stretcher which resulted in the Paper planes to come gliding down from on high.
Anyone know Steve Brown's opinion on the blatant hand ball from McIntyre rather than his own similar hand ball situation 🤔
I think you could worry about any team for one reason. You could say the sixth placed team will be on a high etc... I would turn it on its head and say the team in it will want to avoid us more than we want to avoid them.
What’s happened to our press and urgency? And why are we returning to hoof ball?
1. we were 2nd best to Northampton in pressing and getting knockdowns tackles etc. That is the main asset of our team , on the day Northampton were better at it.
2.Hoofball never went away, it's there every game. I was shocked that we played 2 fluent passing moves in 2nd half. Thats rare
We do try and play more now but whenever we need a goal or struggle to play through a team we return to hoofball and it has usually worked
Good call to replace McIntyre who made two big mistakes, one leading to the penalty and a miss kick back pass that we managed to survive.
I literally said to the guy next to me as McIntyre went for the falling ball, he's gonna scuff this... And boom he scuffs it. Poor player. Not sure what he adds.
Puzzled by McIntyre inclusion as well. Alex Mitchell must have turned into complete mess not to play. Also our academy players- there must be as good/better players there
I'd like to think that McIntyre's lack of game time over the season is the reason for his inconsistency. At times yesterday, he and Jones were going for the same ball and yet posters on here were stating that McIntyre favours his left foot, so him replacing Gillesphey should have been seamless, it wasn't. As for Mitchell's exclusion, he wouldn't have replaced Gillesphey yesterday, as Mitchell is definitely right footed. Kayne Ramsay now stands in the way of Mitchell and next season there will be two more contenders for that role, Josh Laqeretabua and Zach Mitchell.
Can't understand this clamour complaining that McIntyre wasn't sent off, isn't it enough that half of Northampton are doing their bit on the subject already, (I assume)... We won the bloody match, it was tight at times and too close for comfort, but come on now rejoice we are in the playoffs at least and looking forward to stuffing Wycombe and Wrexham, not so much of this negativity please...🙄
Can't understand this clamour complaining that McIntyre wasn't sent off, isn't it enough that half of Northampton are doing their bit on the subject already, (I assume)... We won the bloody match, it was tight at times and too close for comfort, but come on now rejoice we are in the playoffs at least and looking forward to stuffing Wycombe and Wrexham, not so much of this negativity please...🙄
It's sooooooo boring, we won, we got the 3 points? Who cares about why our OWN PLAYER wasn't sent off?!?!?!
Good call to replace McIntyre who made two big mistakes, one leading to the penalty and a miss kick back pass that we managed to survive.
I literally said to the guy next to me as McIntyre went for the falling ball, he's gonna scuff this... And boom he scuffs it. Poor player. Not sure what he adds.
Puzzled by McIntyre inclusion as well. Alex Mitchell must have turned into complete mess not to play. Also our academy players- there must be as good/better players there
I'd like to think that McIntyre's lack of game time over the season is the reason for his inconsistency. At times yesterday, he and Jones were going for the same ball and yet posters on here were stating that McIntyre favours his left foot, so him replacing Gillesphey should have been seamless, it wasn't. As for Mitchell's exclusion, he wouldn't have replaced Gillesphey yesterday, as Mitchell is definitely right footed. Kayne Ramsay now stands in the way of Mitchell and next season there will be two more contenders for that role, Josh Laqeretabua and Zach Mitchell.
Mitchell can easily play the left CB role that McIntyre played. Just as the left footed McIntyre played the right CB role when Jones was absent.
The key decision of the game, namely the Tom McIntyre incident, hardly got a mention on this thread before today. Had TM got sent off, the roof on this thread would have exploded! The manager of Northampton was cautioned for dissent for claiming overvigorously that TM should have been sent off for denying a goal scoring opportunity. The Laws of the Game (Law 12) is not descriptive enough to make such a decision as definitive, so the decision becomes one of subjective.
For what it is worth, let me give my reasons why I support the retention of TM on the field of play. Normally a player considered to be in a goal scoring opportunity is one who (a) has control of the ball (usually with his feet) and (b) is at an angle to the goal whereby he can see most of the space between the posts, as opposed to a player wide of the goal, in a winger-type position, and the gets fouled by either the last outfield defender or the goalkeeper. In the case in question the player behind TM neither had the ball and was not in control of it. Also, it is very subjective to establish that the forward would have got a clean header and that he only had a limited amount of the goal to aim at. He was however very close to the goal. Given the amount of doubt (in my mind), I cannot see how the referee could have been sure that the criteria could be met to justify the sending off. Any alternative views, please?
This situation raises to other points: (1) there were loads of people on here who thought that the referee favoured Northampton and at least one used the word "bias". The one key decision in the game, which was one that could have impacted upon the game, was given in Charlton's favour; the other decisions such as time wasting are almost inconsequential compared with the potential sending off. Thus the decision of favouring Northampton is indefensible. (2) the people on here who marked the referee very low, presumably did so on the basis that, in their opinion, the referee got the key decision wrong and that TM should have been sent off. Otherwise to recognise that the key decision was right, but the mark awarded to the referee is low, is indefensible.
Good call to replace McIntyre who made two big mistakes, one leading to the penalty and a miss kick back pass that we managed to survive.
I literally said to the guy next to me as McIntyre went for the falling ball, he's gonna scuff this... And boom he scuffs it. Poor player. Not sure what he adds.
Puzzled by McIntyre inclusion as well. Alex Mitchell must have turned into complete mess not to play. Also our academy players- there must be as good/better players there
I'd like to think that McIntyre's lack of game time over the season is the reason for his inconsistency. At times yesterday, he and Jones were going for the same ball and yet posters on here were stating that McIntyre favours his left foot, so him replacing Gillesphey should have been seamless, it wasn't. As for Mitchell's exclusion, he wouldn't have replaced Gillesphey yesterday, as Mitchell is definitely right footed. Kayne Ramsay now stands in the way of Mitchell and next season there will be two more contenders for that role, Josh Laqeretabua and Zach Mitchell.
Mitchell can easily play the left CB role that McIntyre played. Just as the left footed McIntyre played the right CB role when Jones was absent.
McIntyre never played RCB he was in the middle of a back 3 which is very different, Ramsay is the RCB
Good call to replace McIntyre who made two big mistakes, one leading to the penalty and a miss kick back pass that we managed to survive.
I literally said to the guy next to me as McIntyre went for the falling ball, he's gonna scuff this... And boom he scuffs it. Poor player. Not sure what he adds.
Puzzled by McIntyre inclusion as well. Alex Mitchell must have turned into complete mess not to play. Also our academy players- there must be as good/better players there
I'd like to think that McIntyre's lack of game time over the season is the reason for his inconsistency. At times yesterday, he and Jones were going for the same ball and yet posters on here were stating that McIntyre favours his left foot, so him replacing Gillesphey should have been seamless, it wasn't. As for Mitchell's exclusion, he wouldn't have replaced Gillesphey yesterday, as Mitchell is definitely right footed. Kayne Ramsay now stands in the way of Mitchell and next season there will be two more contenders for that role, Josh Laqeretabua and Zach Mitchell.
Mitchell can easily play the left CB role that McIntyre played. Just as the left footed McIntyre played the right CB role when Jones was absent.
He looks uncomfortable enough on the right or in the middle. Which is why he isn’t near the team at the moment. If Gillesphey and McIntyre were both unavailable then I’m pretty sure Edwards would be the next choice with Watson coming in at wing back
Ref had just given a very soft booking against Coventry, maybe was hesitant to give another decision against again so soon after ?
A lot of time, sending offs for clear goal scoring opportunties (there was one in the championship similar yesterday), when the player running through and is the last man.
I would hate to see any handball in the box lead to a letter of the law, automatic red card being applied, These decisions are often not clear cut. Its better that the ref has some discretion.
My instinct on seeing at the time, that it was a booking for deliberate hand ball. I was surprised not to see that. It wasn't clear that the ball was getting to the Northampton's player's head. Mcintyre had lost his man but he stuck his arm quite high up to reach the ball. The angle I saw, it looked more like it was going over quite fast, the Northampton players head.
That one decision over the card may have gone Charlton's way, but for the rest of the game, the referree gave 50/50's without fail to Northampton, and ignored similar fouls on Charlton. To say nothing of the time wasting treatment differences. The ref made up for McIntyre's non yellow with 4 others. Only one of those clearly deserved.
A consistently inconsistent ref (for the same situation), is worse than just a terrible ref for both sides. At least that evens out. The standard of referreeing in League One is mostly terrible.
What’s happened to our press and urgency? And why are we returning to hoof ball?
1. we were 2nd best to Northampton in pressing and getting knockdowns tackles etc. That is the main asset of our team , on the day Northampton were better at it.
2.Hoofball never went away, it's there every game. I was shocked that we played 2 fluent passing moves in 2nd half. Thats rare
We do try and play more now but whenever we need a goal or struggle to play through a team we return to hoofball and it has usually worked
'Too easy to be self righteous today'.... then proceeds to bang on and be self righteous. Good manager and done unbelievable since Crawley but a absolute knobhead very frequently with his comments.
One day it'll click that most people were not pissed off with who he signed, but who he sold. I know it's all in the past, but he's made these points himself after wins on multiple occasions.
Well, at least it's something to moan about, eh? One day it will click that most people's priority is he has got us into the play-offs after a dismal start to the Season. And he has done it with the players he wanted. But yeah. Attack his character and insult him because of words he uses.
Weird, I'd always thought someone's words are part of a character. Yeah we are happy that he turned things around after a shocking start indeed and that the players he preaches over finally started playing.
If he wasn't moaning after a win and digging out fans with a snarky grin (again), fans wouldn't be commenting in his words.
The penalty incident was a clear handball - no need for Mr Magoo on VAR to give that one - but could you claim it was denying a clear goal-scoring opportunity?
You couldn't be certain that the Northampton player would have even got to the ball let alone score and given the flight of the ball and where the incident took place the best that could have happened for the oppo was a header or hook-back across goal.
If anything it was the handball that GAVE them the goal-scoring opportunity!
I can't believe there are people questioning why McIntyre didn't get sent off when Northampton weren't even in control of the ball at that point. In any game there are far more crosses into the box than there are goals. Even if Northampton did win the battle to receive the cross, there's still no guarantees they'd score. Don't forget, this is a team that twice had shots that left the pitch via the touch line. I can see why their fans might be desperately clinging on to that particular fantasy, but it's absolute nonsense.
Good call to replace McIntyre who made two big mistakes, one leading to the penalty and a miss kick back pass that we managed to survive.
I literally said to the guy next to me as McIntyre went for the falling ball, he's gonna scuff this... And boom he scuffs it. Poor player. Not sure what he adds.
Puzzled by McIntyre inclusion as well. Alex Mitchell must have turned into complete mess not to play. Also our academy players- there must be as good/better players there
I'd like to think that McIntyre's lack of game time over the season is the reason for his inconsistency. At times yesterday, he and Jones were going for the same ball and yet posters on here were stating that McIntyre favours his left foot, so him replacing Gillesphey should have been seamless, it wasn't. As for Mitchell's exclusion, he wouldn't have replaced Gillesphey yesterday, as Mitchell is definitely right footed. Kayne Ramsay now stands in the way of Mitchell and next season there will be two more contenders for that role, Josh Laqeretabua and Zach Mitchell.
Mitchell can easily play the left CB role that McIntyre played. Just as the left footed McIntyre played the right CB role when Jones was absent.
I was surprised Mitchell wasn't used in the centre when Jones was out but he'd be comical on the left of a 3.
Unfortunately wasnt there yesterday due to work commitment's, but spoke to a mate after the game and first thing he said was how bad the ref was.
Just read a good majority of the players marks and amazed to see marks for the ref by a good majority of contributors as 6 and 7 and words like he was ok,
For those saying it was a guaranteed goal without the handball I point you to Godden’s point blank header that hit the bar. Nothing is a sure thing in football
I would say that one person who thought it was a goal scoring opportunity was McIntyre, otherwise he wouldn't have handled it. Personally there is enough doubt. I don't think he would have but Mannion could have come out to it also.
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That is the main asset of our team , on the day Northampton were better at it.
2.Hoofball never went away, it's there every game. I was shocked that we played 2 fluent passing moves in 2nd half. Thats rare
If we rock up (hopefully) at Wembley and win 4-0 I am not complaining.
Steve Brown's hand ball flick was at the Covered end and he went down injured and the red card was waiting for him as he went off on a stretcher which resulted in the Paper planes to come gliding down from on high.
Anyone know Steve Brown's opinion on the blatant hand ball from McIntyre rather than his own similar hand ball situation 🤔
We won the bloody match, it was tight at times and too close for comfort, but come on now rejoice we are in the playoffs at least and looking forward to stuffing Wycombe and Wrexham, not so much of this negativity please...🙄
For what it is worth, let me give my reasons why I support the retention of TM on the field of play. Normally a player considered to be in a goal scoring opportunity is one who (a) has control of the ball (usually with his feet) and (b) is at an angle to the goal whereby he can see most of the space between the posts, as opposed to a player wide of the goal, in a winger-type position, and the gets fouled by either the last outfield defender or the goalkeeper. In the case in question the player behind TM neither had the ball and was not in control of it. Also, it is very subjective to establish that the forward would have got a clean header and that he only had a limited amount of the goal to aim at. He was however very close to the goal. Given the amount of doubt (in my mind), I cannot see how the referee could have been sure that the criteria could be met to justify the sending off. Any alternative views, please?
This situation raises to other points: (1) there were loads of people on here who thought that the referee favoured Northampton and at least one used the word "bias". The one key decision in the game, which was one that could have impacted upon the game, was given in Charlton's favour; the other decisions such as time wasting are almost inconsequential compared with the potential sending off. Thus the decision of favouring Northampton is indefensible. (2) the people on here who marked the referee very low, presumably did so on the basis that, in their opinion, the referee got the key decision wrong and that TM should have been sent off. Otherwise to recognise that the key decision was right, but the mark awarded to the referee is low, is indefensible.
Have I got things wrong in my thinking?
If he wasn't moaning after a win and digging out fans with a snarky grin (again), fans wouldn't be commenting in his words.
You couldn't be certain that the Northampton player would have even got to the ball let alone score and given the flight of the ball and where the incident took place the best that could have happened for the oppo was a header or hook-back across goal.
If anything it was the handball that GAVE them the goal-scoring opportunity!