POST-MATCH THREAD: Charlton Athletic v Northampton Town: Good Friday 18th April 2025 KO 15:00

MuttleyCAFC said:

I would say that one person who thought it was a goal scoring opportunity was McIntyre, otherwise he wouldn't have handled it. Personally there is enough doubt. I don't think he would have but Mannion could have come out to it also.

killerandflash said:

Bailey said:

KingKinsella said:

Dazzler21 said:

soapboxsam said:

 Good call to replace McIntyre who made two big mistakes, one leading to the penalty and a miss kick back pass that we managed to survive.

 I literally said to the guy next to me as McIntyre went for the falling ball, he's gonna scuff this... And boom he scuffs it. Poor player. Not sure what he adds. 

Puzzled by McIntyre inclusion as well. Alex Mitchell must have turned into complete mess not to play. Also our academy players- there must be as good/better players there

I'd like to think that McIntyre's lack of game time over the season is the reason for his inconsistency. At times yesterday, he and Jones were going for the same ball and yet posters on here were stating that McIntyre favours his left foot, so him replacing Gillesphey should have been seamless, it wasn't. As for Mitchell's exclusion, he wouldn't have replaced Gillesphey yesterday, as Mitchell is definitely right footed. Kayne Ramsay now stands in the way of Mitchell and next season there will be two more contenders for that role, Josh Laqeretabua and Zach Mitchell. 

Mitchell can easily play the left CB role that McIntyre played. Just as the left footed McIntyre played the right CB role when Jones was absent.

se9addick said:

Briston_Addick said:

The penalty incident was a clear handball - no need for Mr Magoo on VAR to give that one - but could you claim it was denying a clear goal-scoring opportunity?

You couldn't be certain that the Northampton player would have even got to the ball let alone score and given the flight of the ball and where the incident took place the best that could have happened for the oppo was a header or hook-back across goal.

If anything it was the handball that GAVE them the goal-scoring opportunity!

It was never a goal scoring opportunity, which made the decision making by McIntyre even more ridiculous. Obviously Northampton would say that it was a goal scoring opportunity so they can moan that it should have been a red, and obviously all Charlton fans will take the alternative view. But one of the few genuinely objective people in the stadium, the referee, clearly didn’t think it was and thus didn’t give a red card.

oohaahmortimer said:

How can that not be a goal scoring opportunity when he’s pushed it away 2ft  from the other fellas head, I  swear that’s the other way round the flip flopping of opinions would be so different .
does it have to be on a plate for it to be considered a chance , genuinely don’t know cos it may bobble , the player may be shit etc etc 

killerandflash said:

The Valley struggles with 20k crowds now, maybe with 20k regulars (as in the PL days) it would be smoother, but now it feels really crowded.

There were massive queues for the Upper CE again, were enough turnstiles built for that section? The Curbs concourse is completely clogged up, while the number of ladies toilets is clearly not enough now.

lancashire lad said:

fenaddick said:

Out of curiosity I just looked at the pass accuracy of our CBs

Ramsay: 75.2%

Jones: 70.7%

Gillesphey: 65.1% (all those aimless diagonals earlier in the season)
Mitchell: 67.3%

McIntyre: 75.2% (admittedly small sample size)

these stats show nothing useful, you can't judge passing accuracy unless you know the length/difficulty of the pass

PeterGage said:

The key decision of the game, namely the Tom McIntyre incident, hardly got a mention on this thread before today. Had TM got sent off, the roof on this thread would have exploded! The manager of  Northampton was cautioned for dissent for claiming overvigorously that TM should have been sent off for denying a goal scoring opportunity. The Laws of the Game (Law 12) is not descriptive enough to make such a decision as definitive, so the decision becomes one of subjective.

For what it is worth, let me give my reasons why I support the retention of TM on the field of play. Normally a player considered to be in a goal scoring opportunity is one who (a) has control of the ball (usually with his feet) and (b) is at an angle to the goal whereby he can see most of the space between the posts, as opposed to a player wide of the goal, in a winger-type position, and the gets fouled by either the last outfield defender or the goalkeeper. In the case in question the player behind TM neither had the ball and was not in control of it. Also, it is very subjective to establish that the forward would have got a clean header and that he only had a limited amount of the goal to aim at. He was however very close to the goal. Given the amount of doubt (in my mind), I cannot see how the referee could have been sure that the criteria could be met to justify the sending off. Any alternative views, please?

This situation raises to other points: (1) there were loads of people on here who thought that the referee favoured Northampton and at least one used the word "bias". The one key decision in the game, which was one that could have impacted upon the game, was given in Charlton's favour; the other decisions such as time wasting are almost inconsequential compared with the potential sending off. Thus the decision of favouring Northampton is indefensible. (2) the people on here who marked the referee very low, presumably did so on the basis that, in their opinion, the referee got the key decision wrong and that TM should have been sent off. Otherwise to recognise that the key decision was right, but the mark  awarded to the referee is low, is indefensible. 

Have I  got things wrong in my thinking?

Hal1x said:

Covered End said:

shine166 said:

Major said:

shine166 said:

'Too easy to be self righteous today'.... then proceeds to bang on and be self righteous. Good manager and done unbelievable since Crawley but a absolute knobhead very frequently with his comments. 

One day it'll click that most people were not pissed off with who he signed, but who he sold. I know it's all in the past, but he's made these points himself after wins on multiple occasions. 

Well, at least it's something to moan about, eh? One day it will click that most people's priority is he has  got us into the play-offs after a dismal start to the Season. And he has done it with the players he wanted. But yeah. Attack his character and insult him because of words he uses.

Weird, I'd always thought someone's words are part of a character. Yeah we are happy that he turned things around after a shocking start indeed and that the players he preaches over finally started playing. 

If he wasn't moaning after a win and digging out fans with a snarky grin (again), fans wouldn't be commenting in his words. 

I agree with you Shine.

Jones gives the impression that he may still be whinging in 30 years time, that some fans were vocal because we were arguably playing the worst football in Charlton's history.

Ok maybe a smallish number were a bit too vocal, but virtually every manager and player experiences this (not saying they should, saying they do).

I can't previously recall such an openly thin skinned manager in my lifetime.

I think it’s, probably, safe to say that Nathan bears a grudge!