I can see how he didn't work out at other clubs because he is Mr 100% buy in to his methods or I don't want you around and I can see that going completely wrong at a Premier League club and he'd basically be a laughing stock.
But he's made his methods work here , even if I was personally hugely doubtful if it was going to work after Crawley at home. Put me down for some humble pie!
I think you also might need to give him time to get things how he wants them. That is something the clubs he has failed at didn't give him and lets be honest, another club may have sacked him after Crawley and it looks like another failure.
Plenty of managers/coaches have a pop at other managers/coaches, it is that mad?
He's mad
I didn't dispute that... just don't get why they clip shows it.
Well, I've not really seen many other Charlton managers do that, top of my head I can't remember a Chartlon manager doing that.
So at the very least it's unorindary. I like that about him though.
Especially after a 4-0 win! Plenty of managers are bad losers and are annoyed and don’t shake hands after losing but I don’t think I’ve seen a winning manager do it
It's obvious that he refused to shake hands with just one of their staff as that person was in the ear of either the ref or linesman about Chuks and that helped in getting him sent off. Hence the 'more to come' comment.
Assume he got booked for over celebrating outside of his technical area. Some people want to take all the fun out of football.
Having clarified his comments about Wrexham being a circus, he then made some suggestions for fans travelling there on Saturday:
a. Ask locals for directions to the Big Top; b. Ask the caterers for custard pies; c. Ask in the club shop if you can exchange your half and half scarf for a pair of big red shoes; d. Don't try to gain admittance on stilts.
He added that those lucky enough to get in will be treated to displays of plate spinning and juggling at half time (by clowns riding unicycles)
In some parts of the Welsh media, Nathan Jones is being considered as a possible manager for Cardiff City next season. He was a Cardiff supporter as a boy.
In some parts of the Welsh media, Nathan Jones is being considered as a possible manager for Cardiff City next season. He was a Cardiff supporter as a boy.
We are 16 games into the season, have yet to score more than two goals in a match and have failed to win a game once the opposition have scored. Yes, we've won five matches without the opposition scoring but unless you're a Burnley (conceded just six goals in 17 matches), you won't be in the promotion shake up at the end of the season playing that way. It seems that Jones is trying to make us resilient by sacrificing flair which has resulted in dire football. The fact that Louie Barry, on loan from Villa, has scored just four goals less for Stockport than we have as a team says it all but, equally, he would not have found the net 13 times (22 in 38 appearances in the last two seasons) given the way we play.
The one seemingly surprising aspect of all of this is this is that Jones' early promotion sides were not that way inclined (Danny Hylton scored 21 goals in Jones' first season at the club albeit in League 2). Luton weren't promoted in his first season but the following year they were, finishing runners-up in scoring 94 goals. The very next season Luton made it back to back promotions although Jones left in the January to go to Stoke.
It is at Stoke that Jones' footballing philosophy appears to have changed. He lasted 10 months there with his side managing to win a very poor 6/38 matches and that included an unbeaten run of nine matches during which time they scored just five goals!!! He then went back to Luton where, in his first season, they finished 12th but scored less than a goal a game with just 41. In his second and only other full season second time round, Luton finished 6th but did so scoring 62 goals in 48 matches, losing in the two leg play-off to Huddersfield 2-1.
Jones left in November 2022 at which point Luton had managed 29 points in 20 games (1.45 points per game). It was under Rob Edwards that they were promoted, via the Play-Offs, having secured 51 points in 26 games (1.96 points per game) following Jones' departure. At Southampton Jones lasted just three months as they picked up 3/24 points during his tenure and scored just six goals in those eight matches and were relegated at the end of that season.
It appears that Jones in his second spell at Luton, then at Stoke and Southampton and now with us has tried to make his teams ones that don't concede, first and foremost. He wasn't given time to add a more attacking layer to that, if that was his intention in his last two jobs because those sides failed to keep clean sheets in the way that Parker has got Burnley to do. The debate is as to how long one allows things to carry on as they are but, with that constant revolving door of managers, perhaps we should take stock at the end of the season?
That is what exactly Jones was trying to do. Make us very hard to beat and those 21 clean sheets are proof of that. Yes he's tweaked one or two things but that fundamental desire never changed. These two games had very much the feel of our two 1-0 play off defeats against Shrewsbury but this time we were the ones holding the aces. One more clean sheet and worst case scenario is penalties. We didn't so badly last time we were in that situation did we?
We had games recently where we had 10+
players unavailable. I don’t think other clubs have had it that bad.
Jones and Ramsay are our 2 best players too, and the problem is our
replacements for them are nowhere near good enough, and they are players
that Jones was stuck with because Scott spent money on them last year
We can’t just keep sacking managers at the first sign of bad form
We've
got players back now, maybe nothing will change but I think we’re
better off trying to give managers time rather than being a club that
sacks a manager at the first sign of bad form. Powell would never have
got his 2011/12 season with this kind of attitude
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In December when it was not good, there was this post.
I will not name him but he called it right in spades. As an aside, it got only one like!
Just read a newshopper article on newsnow apparently Nathan Jones is Irish. begorrah who'd a thunk it! look the standards of local journalism nowadays.
The stuff at full time was a bit much, especially as the final whistle hadn’t even been blown yet - imagine if they somehow snuck a late equalizer, he would’ve looked very stupid. Was all a bit “Pardew dancing in the FA cup final”.
I’ll forgive him though. The bloke is genuinely just so intense and passionate that I don’t think it was particularly performative, he just a bit mental.
It would wind me up if he wasn’t ours though so I’m not surprised he’s getting some stick on Twitter.
The stuff at full time was a bit much, especially as the final whistle hadn’t even been blown yet - imagine if they somehow snuck a late equalizer, he would’ve looked very stupid. Was all a bit “Pardew dancing in the FA cup final”.
I’ll forgive him though. The bloke is genuinely just so intense and passionate that I don’t think it was particularly performative, he just a bit mental.
It would wind me up if he wasn’t ours though so I’m not surprised he’s getting some stick on Twitter.
He said in his post match Sky interview that the third official had told him that the ref was about to blow for full time. He also apologised for it being over the top.
The stuff at full time was a bit much, especially as the final whistle hadn’t even been blown yet - imagine if they somehow snuck a late equalizer, he would’ve looked very stupid. Was all a bit “Pardew dancing in the FA cup final”.
I’ll forgive him though. The bloke is genuinely just so intense and passionate that I don’t think it was particularly performative, he just a bit mental.
It would wind me up if he wasn’t ours though so I’m not surprised he’s getting some stick on Twitter.
He said in his post match Sky interview that the third official had told him that the ref was about to blow for full time. He also apologised for it being over the top.
Hadn’t seen those comments yet. He is usually more level headed and measured when being interviewed away from the heat of battle, to be fair. And I don’t doubt that he sacrifices a lot to succeed as a manager, as he has said, so I don’t begrudge it.
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A geezer with attitude and passion, that's good enough for me.
But he's made his methods work here , even if I was personally hugely doubtful if it was going to work after Crawley at home. Put me down for some humble pie!
So at the very least it's unorindary. I like that about him though.
Assume he got booked for over celebrating outside of his technical area. Some people want to take all the fun out of football.
a. Ask locals for directions to the Big Top;
b. Ask the caterers for custard pies;
c. Ask in the club shop if you can exchange your half and half scarf for a pair of big red shoes;
d. Don't try to gain admittance on stilts.
He added that those lucky enough to get in will be treated to displays of plate spinning and juggling at half time (by clowns riding unicycles)
Didn't dislike Parkinson but he's not exactly the life and soul of the party.
Let's hope they are delusional.
On the way to Wrexham - can someone point me to the place where I can buy a clown hat and those big pointy shoes? 🤣
Actually it’s a Palarse dream but they’re too busy waiting to get stuffed by the Villa to notice.
...is my hero
That is what exactly Jones was trying to do. Make us very hard to beat and those 21 clean sheets are proof of that. Yes he's tweaked one or two things but that fundamental desire never changed. These two games had very much the feel of our two 1-0 play off defeats against Shrewsbury but this time we were the ones holding the aces. One more clean sheet and worst case scenario is penalties. We didn't so badly last time we were in that situation did we?
We can’t just keep sacking managers at the first sign of bad form
begorrah who'd a thunk it!
look the standards of local journalism nowadays.
It would wind me up if he wasn’t ours though so I’m not surprised he’s getting some stick on Twitter.
I think my favourite so far has been the only reason we got a result against Birmingham in October is because Jones “stopped playing his shit 3-5-2”.