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POST-MATCH THREAD: Wycombe Wanderers v Charlton Athletic: Play Off 1st leg: Sun 11th May 2025 : KO

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  • mendonca
    mendonca Posts: 9,406
    AFKABartram said:
    charlton_hero said:
    AFKABartram said:
    Bigger crowds guarantee absolutely nothing. Leeds, Derby and others are case studies of that.

    It’s all about what the players do on the pitch. 
    Hostile bigger crowds can make a difference.
    I find that a myth personally. The Doncaster home game being the biggest relatable example of that. Our crowd was amazing that night but most people forgot we lost the game 1-3
    Completely agree. It can also motivate, rather than intimidate the opposition. Especially the kind who usually get to play in front of 4/5k.
  • CAFCTrev
    CAFCTrev Posts: 5,982
    edited May 13

    You know, they say all football clubs are created equal — but you look at us and you look at Wycombe Wanderers, and you can see that statement’s not true. See, normally if you go one-on-one with another team, you’ve got a 50/50 chance of winning. But we are a team of footballing freaks, and were not normal! So Wycombe's got a 25% chance, at best, of beating us.

    Then you add Chuks Aneke to the mix, and your chances of winning drastic go down. See, in a four-way playoff series, Wycombe's got a 33⅓% chance of winning — but Charlton? We've got a 66⅔% chance, because Wycombe KNOW they can’t beat us, and they're not even gonna try!

    So Wycombe, you take your 33⅓% chance, minus our 25% chance, and you’ve got an 8⅓% chance of winning that playoff. But then you take our 75% chance of beating you one-on-one, and add our 66⅔% chance of winning vs all three playoff teams — we've got a 141⅔% chance of victory.

    See Wycombe, the numbers don’t lie, and they spell disaster for you in the playoffs.

  • cabbles
    cabbles Posts: 15,256
    Is it just me or am I missing something re; all this needle directed at Wycombe and their fanbase?

    I thought it was a fairly uneventful game and both sides looked poor, but we will probably be slightly happier with the result given it looked the game plan was to not get beat.

    There were some poor tackles by some of theirs admittedly, but I can't understand how off the back of that fairly drab game, it's riled a few up.

    That's not having a dig at those that are riled up, simply that based on what I saw, I can't understand some of the animosity in the post match comments
  • Woodwork
    Woodwork Posts: 423
    edited May 12
    fenaddick said:
    cafcsinger said:
    Although I’m surprised at the low attendance that  Wycombe had at home, we had just under 15,000 against Shrewsbury 7 years ago in the play off first leg. We’re not really ones to talk are we?
    We were in the middle of a boycott and playing below the level the club should be. Wycombe are on an upward trajectory with a rich owner and a chance to play in the highest division they've ever played in, the two aren't really comparable
    Around 3.9% of the actual town of High Wycombe turned out to support them in a League One Play-off. Which is not great. However, that would be a crowd of c11,200 home fans at The Valley if you applied it to the London borough of Greenwich. Which is about what we average in actual bums on seats of home fans. 

    In conclusion, Wycombe is not a hot bed of fanatical football support. But nor is Greenwich when compared to the likes of Burnley, Sunderland, Middlesbrough or even Ipswich. 


  • charlton_hero
    charlton_hero Posts: 4,668
    edited May 12
    AFKABartram said:
    charlton_hero said:
    AFKABartram said:
    Bigger crowds guarantee absolutely nothing. Leeds, Derby and others are case studies of that.

    It’s all about what the players do on the pitch. 
    Hostile bigger crowds can make a difference.
    I find that a myth personally. The Doncaster home game being the biggest relatable example of that. Our crowd was amazing that night but most people forget we lost the game 2-3

    I can think of games where the ref makes a terrible decision or an opposition player does something to wind up the crowd, the volume goes up a few notches, and there's a bit of an edge to the atmosphere; you can see confidence drain from opposition players and silly mistakes start creeping in. The Doncaster game wasn't hostile, imo; it was loud.

  • Woodwork
    Woodwork Posts: 423
    cabbles said:
    Is it just me or am I missing something re; all this needle directed at Wycombe and their fanbase?

    I thought it was a fairly uneventful game and both sides looked poor, but we will probably be slightly happier with the result given it looked the game plan was to not get beat.

    There were some poor tackles by some of theirs admittedly, but I can't understand how off the back of that fairly drab game, it's riled a few up.

    That's not having a dig at those that are riled up, simply that based on what I saw, I can't understand some of the animosity in the post match comments
    No. This is exactly my view. It was a typical third tier match played by two physical third tier sides. 
  • AFKABartram
    AFKABartram Posts: 57,833
    edited May 12
    MummysLittleSoldier said:


    Everything about this 'tackle' is mindblowing. This image is at the BEGINNING of the assault, literally the definition of dangerous play. He goes with his right foot and doesn't get there so he swings his left and is so so far away from the ball. Look where the ball is in relation to where he makes contact?!

    Its a no brainer red card on VAR and its also one of those where by giving a yellow it's almost more insulting, the ref must have seen the tackle/something to produce a yellow but has decided its not red worthy. The guy rides the back of his Achilles like this for a good meter or so

    Throw in that Orient goal where you can drive a bus between the defender and offside goalscorer and it's been a successful weekend for L1 officials.
    It looks poor and I’d need to see it again on the telly, but one of Ramsey’s strengths is how when he’s shielding a ball on his right. He massively steps across and bends to the left to protect the ball and position an opponent where he wants, leading Ramsey to normally pivot with the ball so well. 

    One danger though of stepping out to the left is to put your left foot into the step line of the opponent. I’ll be generous and say that’s what’s happened here and Kone had no deliberate intention to land on his Achilles. 

    I could be wrong after watch on TV though 
  • PragueAddick
    PragueAddick Posts: 22,157
    cafcsinger said:
    Although I’m surprised at the low attendance that  Wycombe had at home, we had just under 15,000 against Shrewsbury 7 years ago in the play off first leg. We’re not really ones to talk are we?
    I think what is so bad about that attendance is that it was a lot less than for some of their regular league games, including against us. Then they had 8,084 and i think we didnt quite sell out that day. 
  • Braziliance
    Braziliance Posts: 8,360
    edited May 12
    fenaddick said:
    Braziliance said:
    fenaddick said:
    cafcsinger said:
    Although I’m surprised at the low attendance that  Wycombe had at home, we had just under 15,000 against Shrewsbury 7 years ago in the play off first leg. We’re not really ones to talk are we?
    We were in the middle of a boycott and playing below the level the club should be. Wycombe are on an upward trajectory with a rich owner and a chance to play in the highest division they've ever played in, the two aren't really comparable
    Must have been boycotting for a fair few games this season as well then. And the last, and the one before that. 


    Always going to be higher attendances in the play offs, especially in L1. Get promoted and we’ll be closer to 20k regularly I hope 
    I genuinely doubt it, we would need prem footie. I remember the Valley still being fairly empty on most Championship games from 2012-2016. Away attendances would have boosted the figures. 

    I don't believe we have the right to slag off any other clubs support. The atmosphere was great yesterday, and there's some real excitement atm, but let's ground ourselves a bit. It's been a very, quiet, empty Valley for a number of years. (Except for the Covered End for the most part)

    We shouldn't even be in this league and comparing ourselves to clubs who don't have the infrastructure we do. That's a whole other conversation of course. Put us in the championship and clubs like Derby, Sheffield Wednesday, Sunderland etc put us to shame.


  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 11,187
    AFKABartram said:
    MummysLittleSoldier said:


    Everything about this 'tackle' is mindblowing. This image is at the BEGINNING of the assault, literally the definition of dangerous play. He goes with his right foot and doesn't get there so he swings his left and is so so far away from the ball. Look where the ball is in relation to where he makes contact?!

    Its a no brainer red card on VAR and its also one of those where by giving a yellow it's almost more insulting, the ref must have seen the tackle/something to produce a yellow but has decided its not red worthy. The guy rides the back of his Achilles like this for a good meter or so

    Throw in that Orient goal where you can drive a bus between the defender and offside goalscorer and it's been a successful weekend for L1 officials.
    It looks poor and I’d need to see it again on the telly, but one of Ramsey’s strengths is how when he’s shielding a ball on his right. He massively steps across and bends to the left to protect the ball and position an opponent where he wants, leading Ramsey to normally pivot with the ball so well. 

    One danger though of stepping out to the left is to put your left foot into the step line of the opponent. I’ll be generous and say that’s what’s happened here and Kone had no deliberate intention to land on his Achilles. 

    I could be wrong after watch on TV though 
    I actually think his other foot is worse as he sort of kicks out to connect, it might be him losing balance but he wouldn't have lost balance if his left foot wasn't embedded in Ramsay's calf

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  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,231
    Addick Addict said:
    AFKABartram said:
    Bigger crowds guarantee absolutely nothing. Leeds, Derby and others are case studies of that.

    It’s all about what the players do on the pitch. 
    Yes but this is Fortress Valley AND a bigger crowd. Two home defeats all season, last one on 3rd December, unbeaten in the last 15 at the home of football and we've already beaten them home and away. That's not to say that we are certainties because we aren't but Wycombe's decline has coincided with Kone only scoring two in his last 14 matches. Keep him quiet as we have in all three games against them this season and we will hold all the aces.

    You make some good points but Kone came off the bench and scored at the valley. 
  • AFKABartram
    AFKABartram Posts: 57,833
    Looking back to the thread about that 15k Shrewsbury game, the club outsourced the ticket sales to Ticketmaster that didn’t work well and it retrospectively seemed a big cock up and limiter in sales. Coupled with the fact it was a fairly disappointing season and having limped into 6th there was no real buzz about the place. The 2nd to last home game v Scunthorpe had 11k. 

    The Doncaster game just 12 months later with a 25k+ crowd was a truer reflection. 
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,879
    Woodwork said:
    fenaddick said:
    cafcsinger said:
    Although I’m surprised at the low attendance that  Wycombe had at home, we had just under 15,000 against Shrewsbury 7 years ago in the play off first leg. We’re not really ones to talk are we?
    We were in the middle of a boycott and playing below the level the club should be. Wycombe are on an upward trajectory with a rich owner and a chance to play in the highest division they've ever played in, the two aren't really comparable
    Around 3.9% of the actual town of High Wycombe turned out to support them in a League One Play-off. Which is not great. However, that would be a crowd of c11,200 home fans at The Valley if you applied it to the London borough of Greenwich. Which is about what we average in actual bums on seats of home fans. 

    In conclusion, Wycombe is not a hot bed of fanatical football support. But nor is Greenwich when compared to the likes of Burnley, Sunderland, Middlesbrough or even Ipswich. 


    Wycombe is a one club town, which can't be said for Charlton, as London is far more mixed up. We have Arsenal, Spurs, Chelsea, West Ham etc on our doorstep to compete with.
  • TheHerminator
    TheHerminator Posts: 752
    Anyone else nervous already?

    I'm still not having fun
  • BalladMan
    BalladMan Posts: 1,119
    AFKABartram said:
     for those watching at home be grateful you were not there and thank your lucky stars your ear drums missed out on the 1986 MegaDeath album we were subjected to at half time. 

    The most bizarre show of half time music ever played, particularly given setting and fanbase. My ears are still badly ringing this morning. 

    Bizarre place Wycombe. 
    also found the music bizzare and defeaning.  Maybe a warning to get out of Wycombe as soon as possible (even if some of the surrounding areas is beautiful, but hilly)

  • jimmymelrose
    jimmymelrose Posts: 9,753
    AFKABartram said:
     for those watching at home be grateful you were not there and thank your lucky stars your ear drums missed out on the 1986 MegaDeath album we were subjected to at half time. 

    The most bizarre show of half time music ever played, particularly given setting and fanbase. My ears are still badly ringing this morning. 

    Bizarre place Wycombe. 
    Yes, Wycombe is bizarre. On Sky we could clearly hear them playing the Wycombe Sinfonia in the main stand.
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,444
    TheHerminator said:
    Anyone else nervous already?

    I'm still not having fun
    Still quite calm at the moment, was a little nervous yesterday, but will probably get more and more nervous as the game progresses on Thursday - Get a goal lead and I'll be a lot calmer, as we're so strong defensively when protecting a lead these days.

    I suppose it helps that the effects from the glue I've been sniffing hasn't worn off yet

    Airplane Movie GIFs Tenor
  • jimmymelrose
    jimmymelrose Posts: 9,753
    charente addick said:


    They also seem to think that our post Xmas good form and large crowd will work against us which kind of defies logic. 
    In that case, suggest that we take all the Jimmy Seed Stand from them to help them out a bit more
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,733
    edited May 12
    I'm feeling confident. More so than I felt before yesterday's match. I think we are ok away but much better at home and a narrow defeat was a possibility yesterday. I don't feel that vibe for Thursday and I feel Wycombe will need a lot of luck and last night's ref to boot! Football is mad if they don't look at Kone's challenge again. Ramsay was lucky not to be seriously injured and that requires punishment. I am less bothered about Udoh. It was a strange one as what was his arm doing there? But it didn't seem to be a very hard contact. They couldn't have complained if he got a red, but I don't think it needs looking at again that one.
  • Braziliance
    Braziliance Posts: 8,360
    I genuinely can't see anything other than us making it to Wembley. They looked tired late on, they looked out of ideas, we pocketed their best player so much so that he had to resort to mixed martial arts, their fans don't have the belief, and I don't think their players do either.

    Anyway, that said, congrats on Wembley Wycombe.

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  • TheHerminator
    TheHerminator Posts: 752
    Braziliance said:
    I genuinely can't see anything other than us making it to Wembley. They looked tired late on, they looked out of ideas, we pocketed their best player so much so that he had to resort to mixed martial arts, their fans don't have the belief, and I don't think their players do either.

    Anyway, that said, congrats on Wembley Wycombe.
    I'm just nervous of an early slip or goal out of nowhere that puts us in a position where we have to chase the game. 
    I'll stand corrected here but this season we haven't been great at that 
  • Woodwork
    Woodwork Posts: 423
    edited May 12
    killerandflash said:
    Woodwork said:
    fenaddick said:
    cafcsinger said:
    Although I’m surprised at the low attendance that  Wycombe had at home, we had just under 15,000 against Shrewsbury 7 years ago in the play off first leg. We’re not really ones to talk are we?
    We were in the middle of a boycott and playing below the level the club should be. Wycombe are on an upward trajectory with a rich owner and a chance to play in the highest division they've ever played in, the two aren't really comparable
    Around 3.9% of the actual town of High Wycombe turned out to support them in a League One Play-off. Which is not great. However, that would be a crowd of c11,200 home fans at The Valley if you applied it to the London borough of Greenwich. Which is about what we average in actual bums on seats of home fans. 

    In conclusion, Wycombe is not a hot bed of fanatical football support. But nor is Greenwich when compared to the likes of Burnley, Sunderland, Middlesbrough or even Ipswich. 


    Wycombe is a one club town, which can't be said for Charlton, as London is far more mixed up. We have Arsenal, Spurs, Chelsea, West Ham etc on our doorstep to compete with.
    Wycombe is 30 miles from central London & therefore a commuter town that didn’t have a league club until the mid 1990s. 

    I just don’t think we can have too much of a pop at anyone. Greenwich, Bexleyheath and north Kent is a good catchment area for a historic club that has played most of its football in the second tier or above. Until we start averaging 22-25,000 in the Championship just standing still, we can’t really berate others too much. I get the competition thing, but Notts County average over 10,000 in L2, playing in a relatively small city with a far more successful club. That’s passionate support. They could literally just cross a bridge for better football. 
  • Rudders22
    Rudders22 Posts: 3,866
    Athletico Charlton said:
    Those watching on TV, should we have got a handball penalty second half.  At the ground it looked like their defender controlled a ball with his hand after it bounced off his thigh in the box at one point.
    No. it came of their knee. 
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 11,187
    https://x.com/rheaphotographs/status/1921907793516175468
  • eastterrace6168
    eastterrace6168 Posts: 22,596
    AFKABartram said:
    MummysLittleSoldier said:


    Everything about this 'tackle' is mindblowing. This image is at the BEGINNING of the assault, literally the definition of dangerous play. He goes with his right foot and doesn't get there so he swings his left and is so so far away from the ball. Look where the ball is in relation to where he makes contact?!

    Its a no brainer red card on VAR and its also one of those where by giving a yellow it's almost more insulting, the ref must have seen the tackle/something to produce a yellow but has decided its not red worthy. The guy rides the back of his Achilles like this for a good meter or so

    Throw in that Orient goal where you can drive a bus between the defender and offside goalscorer and it's been a successful weekend for L1 officials.
    It looks poor and I’d need to see it again on the telly, but one of Ramsey’s strengths is how when he’s shielding a ball on his right. He massively steps across and bends to the left to protect the ball and position an opponent where he wants, leading Ramsey to normally pivot with the ball so well. 

    One danger though of stepping out to the left is to put your left foot into the step line of the opponent. I’ll be generous and say that’s what’s happened here and Kone had no deliberate intention to land on his Achilles. 

    I could be wrong after watch on TV though 
    I think you will realise you are wrong mate after watching the replay, not only deliberate and dangerous, but he followed that up with a kick at Ramsey with his right foot for good measure...
    He should have been red carded,..
  • Lincsaddick
    Lincsaddick Posts: 32,357
    Can't understand the obsession on here with the size of the WW support. High Wycombe and its surrounds is a middle class, prosperous area more likely to follow Rugby Union than football. Wasps RUFC shared Adams Park with the FC for 12 years and attracted similar crowds to the FC.
    So WW is not a magnet for the locals, so what ? 
    The Royal Borough of Greenwich has a population of some 290,000 souls compared to the Wycombe conurbation with a population of some 133,000 souls, the attendances for the respective football clubs all in all are not a dissimilar ratio. We will have a crowd of probably 27,000 on Thursday compared to an average of some 15/16,000. Reminds me of the famous chant: 'Where were you when we were 's$$t L O L 
  • 000__Jaaaaay__000
    000__Jaaaaay__000 Posts: 2,342
    I can’t believe how woefully bad Greg Doherty was yesterday, just a reminder that he isn’t going to be good enough going forward 
  • Braziliance
    Braziliance Posts: 8,360
    edited May 12
    000__Jaaaaay__000 said:
    I can’t believe how woefully bad Greg Doherty was yesterday, just a reminder that he isn’t going to be good enough going forward 
    IF we go up, more than happy with the majority of our defense, Godden, Campbell and Coventry. 

    The rest, not so sure. I feel we need someone to compliment Coventry. I was disappointed in Doc yesterday who should be standing out in that type of game, and I feel Cov actually looked quite nervous.

    Hoping they can both pick it up for these potential last two games, as we need them at it to have a chance. Can't keep bypassing the midfield, especially if TC isn't at it.
  • PragueAddick
    PragueAddick Posts: 22,157
    AFKABartram said:
    charlton_hero said:
    AFKABartram said:
    Bigger crowds guarantee absolutely nothing. Leeds, Derby and others are case studies of that.

    It’s all about what the players do on the pitch. 
    Hostile bigger crowds can make a difference.
    I find that a myth personally. The Doncaster home game being the biggest relatable example of that. Our crowd was amazing that night but most people forget we lost the game 2-3
    I’ve watched the highlights of that game more than any other of recent years, and partly because of the crowd. Up to a point, I think you’ve proved an inconvenient truth, but I think @charlton_hero is right, it wasn’t hostile because we had outplayed them in the 1st leg and then Bielik scored so early. This time, its evens at the start, and we know they are a nasty pub team, so I certainly hope that this crowd is hostile from the start. Certainly Curbs and Brownie seem genuinely to believe it helps. 
  • JohnnyH2
    JohnnyH2 Posts: 5,344
    PragueAddick said:
    cafcsinger said:
    Although I’m surprised at the low attendance that  Wycombe had at home, we had just under 15,000 against Shrewsbury 7 years ago in the play off first leg. We’re not really ones to talk are we?
    I think what is so bad about that attendance is that it was a lot less than for some of their regular league games, including against us. Then they had 8,084 and i think we didnt quite sell out that day. 
    We sold our allocation for that game quite a time before the actual game. 

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