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ULTIMATE MATCH PREVIEW: Charlton Athletic vs Leyton Orient | Sunday 25th May - 1pm KO

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  • Stockport only have themselves to blame for not making the final , 2-0 to the mighty Charlton 
  • gmantaxi said:
    Stockport only have themselves to blame for not making the final , 2-0 to the mighty Charlton 
    And the linesman for one of the worst ever offside decisions to be fair to them
  • I’d like to see Tyreece make me sway again. Don’t think he’s been quite on it over the last 4 games and if we are to be successful, we need a game out of him 
    Slightly concerned he's got a big offer and reserving himself the last few games in case of injury.

    Hasn't been the same since around Cambridge away. Isn't getting stuck in as much, isn't tracking as much, isn't running as much, not taking people on.

    To get pocketed twice by Grimmer is poor, that lad is a proper league 1 gatekeeper full back. Literally didn't jump for a header against him, didn't try and outmuscle him, has been weird to watch. A few months ago he was getting praise for his physicality, but it seems to have vanished the last month.

    Hopefully I'm wrong but the Campbell we saw at Mansfield away, Cambridge away, Huddersfield at home etc isn't present currently.
    I think this is a bit unfair to TC. He had that purple patch where the team were playing well and he was the main man and scoring goals. Naturally that led to teams preparing more to negate him as a way to stop us, throw in that TS got injured at the same time and so we lost our other major threat meaning that teams could double up on him. In the semi's Wycombe did a job on him, the first leg in particular Gimmer barely touched the ball but the ref allowed him to have both arms around TC every time. He was up against two much more physical players whose only remit was to stop him playing. I've seen no less hard work or battling from him in that time it was just a missmatch.

    As others have said, Orient wont be able to do that to the same extent, bigger pitch, TS on the other wing, less physical players on that side of Orient's defence. Backing him to have a good game.
    Time will tell. He pretty much hid last game, didn't contest Grimmer at all and looked knackered. Plenty of times he was one on one but opted not to take it. 

    We will find out in a few weeks anyway, ditto Small, if he's going to go, I don't mind if he puts in a shift and gets us promoted. 

    Want to see the Campbell a month ago who was taking his full backs on.
  • I’d like to see Tyreece make me sway again. Don’t think he’s been quite on it over the last 4 games and if we are to be successful, we need a game out of him 
    Slightly concerned he's got a big offer and reserving himself the last few games in case of injury.

    Hasn't been the same since around Cambridge away. Isn't getting stuck in as much, isn't tracking as much, isn't running as much, not taking people on.

    To get pocketed twice by Grimmer is poor, that lad is a proper league 1 gatekeeper full back. Literally didn't jump for a header against him, didn't try and outmuscle him, has been weird to watch. A few months ago he was getting praise for his physicality, but it seems to have vanished the last month.

    Hopefully I'm wrong but the Campbell we saw at Mansfield away, Cambridge away, Huddersfield at home etc isn't present currently.
    I think this is a bit unfair to TC. He had that purple patch where the team were playing well and he was the main man and scoring goals. Naturally that led to teams preparing more to negate him as a way to stop us, throw in that TS got injured at the same time and so we lost our other major threat meaning that teams could double up on him. In the semi's Wycombe did a job on him, the first leg in particular Gimmer barely touched the ball but the ref allowed him to have both arms around TC every time. He was up against two much more physical players whose only remit was to stop him playing. I've seen no less hard work or battling from him in that time it was just a missmatch.

    As others have said, Orient wont be able to do that to the same extent, bigger pitch, TS on the other wing, less physical players on that side of Orient's defence. Backing him to have a good game.
    Time will tell. He pretty much hid last game, didn't contest Grimmer at all and looked knackered. Plenty of times he was one on one but opted not to take it. 

    We will find out in a few weeks anyway, ditto Small, if he's going to go, I don't mind if he puts in a shift and gets us promoted. 

    Want to see the Campbell a month ago who was taking his full backs on.
    I think TC was quite clearly knackered towards the end of the season so dropped off a little, that Cambridge game he was brilliant but also looked like he could barely walk at times. 

    The Wycombe games were tough for any attacking player on either side to look good. How many times did we get the ball to him on the floor in a 1v1 situation? Not many. It is down to the rest of the team to work the ball into a 1v1 situation for TC and Small, if we aren’t doing that then they are always going to have minimal impact on a game 
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  • NabySarr said:
    I’d like to see Tyreece make me sway again. Don’t think he’s been quite on it over the last 4 games and if we are to be successful, we need a game out of him 
    Slightly concerned he's got a big offer and reserving himself the last few games in case of injury.

    Hasn't been the same since around Cambridge away. Isn't getting stuck in as much, isn't tracking as much, isn't running as much, not taking people on.

    To get pocketed twice by Grimmer is poor, that lad is a proper league 1 gatekeeper full back. Literally didn't jump for a header against him, didn't try and outmuscle him, has been weird to watch. A few months ago he was getting praise for his physicality, but it seems to have vanished the last month.

    Hopefully I'm wrong but the Campbell we saw at Mansfield away, Cambridge away, Huddersfield at home etc isn't present currently.
    I think this is a bit unfair to TC. He had that purple patch where the team were playing well and he was the main man and scoring goals. Naturally that led to teams preparing more to negate him as a way to stop us, throw in that TS got injured at the same time and so we lost our other major threat meaning that teams could double up on him. In the semi's Wycombe did a job on him, the first leg in particular Gimmer barely touched the ball but the ref allowed him to have both arms around TC every time. He was up against two much more physical players whose only remit was to stop him playing. I've seen no less hard work or battling from him in that time it was just a missmatch.

    As others have said, Orient wont be able to do that to the same extent, bigger pitch, TS on the other wing, less physical players on that side of Orient's defence. Backing him to have a good game.
    Time will tell. He pretty much hid last game, didn't contest Grimmer at all and looked knackered. Plenty of times he was one on one but opted not to take it. 

    We will find out in a few weeks anyway, ditto Small, if he's going to go, I don't mind if he puts in a shift and gets us promoted. 

    Want to see the Campbell a month ago who was taking his full backs on.
    I think TC was quite clearly knackered towards the end of the season so dropped off a little, that Cambridge game he was brilliant but also looked like he could barely walk at times. 

    The Wycombe games were tough for any attacking player on either side to look good. How many times did we get the ball to him on the floor in a 1v1 situation? Not many. It is down to the rest of the team to work the ball into a 1v1 situation for TC and Small, if we aren’t doing that then they are always going to have minimal impact on a game 
    You say this mate, Small looked a lot more productive out wide and generally aggressive. 

    I love TC, just saying what I hope it isn't. Fingers crossed he turns up in the final and sees us over the line, give Godden a break 😂
  • NabySarr said:
    I’d like to see Tyreece make me sway again. Don’t think he’s been quite on it over the last 4 games and if we are to be successful, we need a game out of him 
    Slightly concerned he's got a big offer and reserving himself the last few games in case of injury.

    Hasn't been the same since around Cambridge away. Isn't getting stuck in as much, isn't tracking as much, isn't running as much, not taking people on.

    To get pocketed twice by Grimmer is poor, that lad is a proper league 1 gatekeeper full back. Literally didn't jump for a header against him, didn't try and outmuscle him, has been weird to watch. A few months ago he was getting praise for his physicality, but it seems to have vanished the last month.

    Hopefully I'm wrong but the Campbell we saw at Mansfield away, Cambridge away, Huddersfield at home etc isn't present currently.
    I think this is a bit unfair to TC. He had that purple patch where the team were playing well and he was the main man and scoring goals. Naturally that led to teams preparing more to negate him as a way to stop us, throw in that TS got injured at the same time and so we lost our other major threat meaning that teams could double up on him. In the semi's Wycombe did a job on him, the first leg in particular Gimmer barely touched the ball but the ref allowed him to have both arms around TC every time. He was up against two much more physical players whose only remit was to stop him playing. I've seen no less hard work or battling from him in that time it was just a missmatch.

    As others have said, Orient wont be able to do that to the same extent, bigger pitch, TS on the other wing, less physical players on that side of Orient's defence. Backing him to have a good game.
    Time will tell. He pretty much hid last game, didn't contest Grimmer at all and looked knackered. Plenty of times he was one on one but opted not to take it. 

    We will find out in a few weeks anyway, ditto Small, if he's going to go, I don't mind if he puts in a shift and gets us promoted. 

    Want to see the Campbell a month ago who was taking his full backs on.
    I think TC was quite clearly knackered towards the end of the season so dropped off a little, that Cambridge game he was brilliant but also looked like he could barely walk at times. 

    The Wycombe games were tough for any attacking player on either side to look good. How many times did we get the ball to him on the floor in a 1v1 situation? Not many. It is down to the rest of the team to work the ball into a 1v1 situation for TC and Small, if we aren’t doing that then they are always going to have minimal impact on a game 
    You say this mate, Small looked a lot more productive out wide and generally aggressive. 

    I love TC, just saying what I hope it isn't. Fingers crossed he turns up in the final and sees us over the line, give Godden a break 😂

    That's because they were doubling up on TC so naturally that left more space for TS. Sometimes when teams do that your role has to just become to occupy those 2 defenders and allow others to use the space 
  • NabySarr said:
    I’d like to see Tyreece make me sway again. Don’t think he’s been quite on it over the last 4 games and if we are to be successful, we need a game out of him 
    Slightly concerned he's got a big offer and reserving himself the last few games in case of injury.

    Hasn't been the same since around Cambridge away. Isn't getting stuck in as much, isn't tracking as much, isn't running as much, not taking people on.

    To get pocketed twice by Grimmer is poor, that lad is a proper league 1 gatekeeper full back. Literally didn't jump for a header against him, didn't try and outmuscle him, has been weird to watch. A few months ago he was getting praise for his physicality, but it seems to have vanished the last month.

    Hopefully I'm wrong but the Campbell we saw at Mansfield away, Cambridge away, Huddersfield at home etc isn't present currently.
    I think this is a bit unfair to TC. He had that purple patch where the team were playing well and he was the main man and scoring goals. Naturally that led to teams preparing more to negate him as a way to stop us, throw in that TS got injured at the same time and so we lost our other major threat meaning that teams could double up on him. In the semi's Wycombe did a job on him, the first leg in particular Gimmer barely touched the ball but the ref allowed him to have both arms around TC every time. He was up against two much more physical players whose only remit was to stop him playing. I've seen no less hard work or battling from him in that time it was just a missmatch.

    As others have said, Orient wont be able to do that to the same extent, bigger pitch, TS on the other wing, less physical players on that side of Orient's defence. Backing him to have a good game.
    Time will tell. He pretty much hid last game, didn't contest Grimmer at all and looked knackered. Plenty of times he was one on one but opted not to take it. 

    We will find out in a few weeks anyway, ditto Small, if he's going to go, I don't mind if he puts in a shift and gets us promoted. 

    Want to see the Campbell a month ago who was taking his full backs on.
    I think TC was quite clearly knackered towards the end of the season so dropped off a little, that Cambridge game he was brilliant but also looked like he could barely walk at times. 

    The Wycombe games were tough for any attacking player on either side to look good. How many times did we get the ball to him on the floor in a 1v1 situation? Not many. It is down to the rest of the team to work the ball into a 1v1 situation for TC and Small, if we aren’t doing that then they are always going to have minimal impact on a game 
    You say this mate, Small looked a lot more productive out wide and generally aggressive. 

    I love TC, just saying what I hope it isn't. Fingers crossed he turns up in the final and sees us over the line, give Godden a break 😂

    That's because they were doubling up on TC so naturally that left more space for TS. Sometimes when teams do that your role has to just become to occupy those 2 defenders and allow others to use the space 
    Can't lie that's not what I saw at all, both games. Plenty of people around me also saying TC didn't look up for it, and it's no coincidence Grimmer got motm at their place. 

    He was all over him. Hopefully an easier game for TC on Sunday and he can recapture his old form. VAR might help with this also where all the man handling could lead to some decisions.
  • NabySarr said:
    I’d like to see Tyreece make me sway again. Don’t think he’s been quite on it over the last 4 games and if we are to be successful, we need a game out of him 
    Slightly concerned he's got a big offer and reserving himself the last few games in case of injury.

    Hasn't been the same since around Cambridge away. Isn't getting stuck in as much, isn't tracking as much, isn't running as much, not taking people on.

    To get pocketed twice by Grimmer is poor, that lad is a proper league 1 gatekeeper full back. Literally didn't jump for a header against him, didn't try and outmuscle him, has been weird to watch. A few months ago he was getting praise for his physicality, but it seems to have vanished the last month.

    Hopefully I'm wrong but the Campbell we saw at Mansfield away, Cambridge away, Huddersfield at home etc isn't present currently.
    I think this is a bit unfair to TC. He had that purple patch where the team were playing well and he was the main man and scoring goals. Naturally that led to teams preparing more to negate him as a way to stop us, throw in that TS got injured at the same time and so we lost our other major threat meaning that teams could double up on him. In the semi's Wycombe did a job on him, the first leg in particular Gimmer barely touched the ball but the ref allowed him to have both arms around TC every time. He was up against two much more physical players whose only remit was to stop him playing. I've seen no less hard work or battling from him in that time it was just a missmatch.

    As others have said, Orient wont be able to do that to the same extent, bigger pitch, TS on the other wing, less physical players on that side of Orient's defence. Backing him to have a good game.
    Time will tell. He pretty much hid last game, didn't contest Grimmer at all and looked knackered. Plenty of times he was one on one but opted not to take it. 

    We will find out in a few weeks anyway, ditto Small, if he's going to go, I don't mind if he puts in a shift and gets us promoted. 

    Want to see the Campbell a month ago who was taking his full backs on.
    I think TC was quite clearly knackered towards the end of the season so dropped off a little, that Cambridge game he was brilliant but also looked like he could barely walk at times. 

    The Wycombe games were tough for any attacking player on either side to look good. How many times did we get the ball to him on the floor in a 1v1 situation? Not many. It is down to the rest of the team to work the ball into a 1v1 situation for TC and Small, if we aren’t doing that then they are always going to have minimal impact on a game 
    You say this mate, Small looked a lot more productive out wide and generally aggressive. 

    I love TC, just saying what I hope it isn't. Fingers crossed he turns up in the final and sees us over the line, give Godden a break 😂

    That's because they were doubling up on TC so naturally that left more space for TS. Sometimes when teams do that your role has to just become to occupy those 2 defenders and allow others to use the space 
    Can't lie that's not what I saw at all, both games. Plenty of people around me also saying TC didn't look up for it, and it's no coincidence Grimmer got motm at their place. 

    He was all over him. Hopefully an easier game for TC on Sunday and he can recapture his old form. VAR might help with this also where all the man handling could lead to some decisions.
    and when he switched sides he came alive, just happens sometimes that a full back has a good game, also not helped with Josh sitting a bit deeper in these two games, so the space wasn't there as much. 
  • What’s the betting on a penalty for one or both teams based on the amount of wrestling at corners that is usually allowed in League 1, but which will be picked up by VAR?
  • I think our defence won’t be under much threat from VAR, the Kayne, Jones and Macca have been class and don’t necessarily have to rely on any of the dark arts. Just a quality back 3.

    Orient on the other hand, watched a few of there games this season and there defence seems a bit erratic and lots of bumbling and hacking involved. Seems as though pratters has been giving them some tips! 
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    We don't seem to have had a penalty since I was about fifteen years old so if one gets given I doubt it will go our way...
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  • What’s the betting on a penalty for one or both teams based on the amount of wrestling at corners that is usually allowed in League 1, but which will be picked up by VAR?

    Charlton corner, O's defender on Godden ...



    Play on, no foul.
  • What’s the betting on a penalty for one or both teams based on the amount of wrestling at corners that is usually allowed in League 1, but which will be picked up by VAR?
    I wouldn't expect VAR to get things right. 
    They couldn't even see a deliberate handball in the cup final. 😞
  • Hal1x said:
    I’d like to see Tyreece make me sway again. Don’t think he’s been quite on it over the last 4 games and if we are to be successful, we need a game out of him 
    Slightly concerned he's got a big offer and reserving himself the last few games in case of injury.

    Hasn't been the same since around Cambridge away. Isn't getting stuck in as much, isn't tracking as much, isn't running as much, not taking people on.

    To get pocketed twice by Grimmer is poor, that lad is a proper league 1 gatekeeper full back. Literally didn't jump for a header against him, didn't try and outmuscle him, has been weird to watch. A few months ago he was getting praise for his physicality, but it seems to have vanished the last month.

    Hopefully I'm wrong but the Campbell we saw at Mansfield away, Cambridge away, Huddersfield at home etc isn't present currently.
    I think this is a bit unfair to TC. He had that purple patch where the team were playing well and he was the main man and scoring goals. Naturally that led to teams preparing more to negate him as a way to stop us, throw in that TS got injured at the same time and so we lost our other major threat meaning that teams could double up on him. In the semi's Wycombe did a job on him, the first leg in particular Gimmer barely touched the ball but the ref allowed him to have both arms around TC every time. He was up against two much more physical players whose only remit was to stop him playing. I've seen no less hard work or battling from him in that time it was just a missmatch.

    As others have said, Orient wont be able to do that to the same extent, bigger pitch, TS on the other wing, less physical players on that side of Orient's defence. Backing him to have a good game.
    Time will tell. He pretty much hid last game, didn't contest Grimmer at all and looked knackered. Plenty of times he was one on one but opted not to take it. 

    We will find out in a few weeks anyway, ditto Small, if he's going to go, I don't mind if he puts in a shift and gets us promoted. 

    Want to see the Campbell a month ago who was taking his full backs on.
    But he didn't hide, he kept looking for the ball and kept trying but he had two players on him most of the time trying to kick him up in the air. That is a grossly unfair slur on him, especially implying he didn't put a shift in!, he's a 21 year old lad up against seasoned professionals who were determined to neutralise him using whatever methods they could.

    At Wembley, with VAR he should have the chance to impress.

    "Grossly unfair slur" 

    Relax, its a footballing opinion. He hasn't been of the standard I expect, and hasn't made up for it with work rates from what I've seen.

    It's a preview thread, I am highlighting one of our key players not being at it. That's it.


  •   I can't help but get the feeling Beckles is getting sent off. 

    He was fairly dirty vs us for Shrewsbury in 2018. When I've watched him this season he's been very hands on and got away with a lot, and that he's openly spoke out against VAR. 

    Just got this sneaky feeling he's gonna bring someone down, it will get checked and Chuks will miss a penalty right infront of us.
  • @Braziliance is there a vlog from the home leg in the pipeline?
  • @Braziliance is there a vlog from the home leg in the pipeline?
    I sort of had it ready, had a mare though. All the files were corrupted and I had to reset them. It's cause I edited them before I dropped them in edit. 

    Long story short, it will be out tomorrow morning probably. 

    Wembley vlog a fair few days after Sunday as i wont have a time frame anymore, especially if we lose 😂 
  • I think our defence won’t be under much threat from VAR, the Kayne, Jones and Macca have been class and don’t necessarily have to rely on any of the dark arts. Just a quality back 3.

    Orient on the other hand, watched a few of there games this season and there defence seems a bit erratic and lots of bumbling and hacking involved. Seems as though pratters has been giving them some tips! 
    I can't help but get the feeling Beckles is getting sent off. 

    He was fairly dirty vs us for Shrewsbury in 2018. When I've watched him this season he's been very hands on and got away with a lot, and that he's openly spoke out against VAR. 

    Just got this sneaky feeling he's gonna bring someone down, it will get checked and Godden will put a penalty away right infront of us.
    Yea Beckles seems like the biggest liability. Can see VAR catching him out. 

    Just really fucking hope VAR doesn’t become the main star of the show. Personally for me it’s a reason why I don’t think I’d enjoy being back in the prem as much as I did last time we was in it. 

    Might change my tune if we get a few pens out of it tho 😂
  • @Braziliance is there a vlog from the home leg in the pipeline?
    I sort of had it ready, had a mare though. All the files were corrupted and I had to reset them. It's cause I edited them before I dropped them in edit. 

    Long story short, it will be out tomorrow morning probably. 

    Wembley vlog a fair few days after Sunday as i wont have a time frame anymore, especially if we lose 😂 
    Ah what a bugger! Fantastic you're persevering, looking forward to it - all 3 generations of us, as previously discussed!
  • Watching back the Sky highlights from Thursday - emergency surgery needed to Allez Allez Allez needed for Sunday!

    During the pitch invasion, crowd full volume, belted out -

    Every Saturday we follow
    The boys in red and white
    [volume drops like a stone]
    [some mumbles about dynamite]

    Sam Bartram Jimmy Seed
    They won the FA Cup
    I know you wont believe us
    The reds are going up
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